Failed ablation

Posted by mjq @mjq, Aug 4 8:34am

I have had several cardio conversions. Doctor suggested an ablation would help stabilize the rhythm. Went through many tests in preparation for the ablation to pinpoint the exact area in the heart. Ablation failed within one day and I was back in a fib. Anyone have suggestions on what to do next?

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If you live near and can travel to Raleigh, NC, contact this office to send your test results, especially the latest echo, to the great cardiac surgeon, Dr. Byron Boulton; set up a consultation visit, perhaps by phone. He is Director of the WakeMed Structural Heart Program at WakeMed in Raleigh, NC. Phone (919) 231-6333. I had a serious regurgitation problem (caused by a gum/dental infection) and AFIB. He repaired my mitral valve, did an LAAC, and did an ablation to cure my AFIB. That was over three years ago. I am as fine as wine, off all meds too, except for 4 amoxicillin before dental visits. I am an 81-year-old male, just a kid.
Regards,
Sagan

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What type of ablation?

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I had an ablation (cryo), which worked great until my mitral valve got bad enough to kick it off again. Mitral valve repair pretty much took care of the problem (a couple short episodes in the last couple years.
My brother had two ablations, which didn't take care of it; he was pretty bad off, short of breath, no energy, etc. ...then had a "third" where they went in from outside the heart, then after that healed, went back inside to do a little more work (not sure what that procedure(s?) is called?. It has worked great for him - no more afib. However, I've been told by a cardiologist that A-fib is a bit unpredictable. ... all the best.

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It's called a 'hybrid ablation.' They zap the rear of the left atrium first (usually) accessing from just under the sternum (at least in the version I saw described on YouTube about four years ago by a female EP in TX), and about ten days-ish later go in through the groin per the usual catheter ablation and do a normal PVI or isolate the area(s) they know are issuing the spurious signal (s).

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What type of ablation?

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From the groin to the heart.

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Wow. 2 doctors, 4 ablations and not fixed? What are they telling you about why it’s not fixed? Do you have paroxysmal, persistent or permanent afib?

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Yes, the first one worked great for 3 months, then I went into flutter, then ablation 2, then SVTs started with passing out as I went into them, then ablation 3, didn’t work to stop SVTs so one more time! My heart just kept finding new pathways to misbehave I guess. I started afib originally in my early 20’s, paroxysmal. Seldom enough then to just wait the episodes out, for usually up to 5-8 hours. Then it got more frequent as I got older, so began med, it kept me ok for 12 years. Then I broke through that one and first ablation done, so I’d be off meds and no more afib! Did not work out that way…

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What type of ablation?

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Radiofrequency, but please remember, this treatment, as well as others, is as much an art as a science. Therefore, it's crucial to get the right doc.
Regards,
Sagan

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Yes, the first one worked great for 3 months, then I went into flutter, then ablation 2, then SVTs started with passing out as I went into them, then ablation 3, didn’t work to stop SVTs so one more time! My heart just kept finding new pathways to misbehave I guess. I started afib originally in my early 20’s, paroxysmal. Seldom enough then to just wait the episodes out, for usually up to 5-8 hours. Then it got more frequent as I got older, so began med, it kept me ok for 12 years. Then I broke through that one and first ablation done, so I’d be off meds and no more afib! Did not work out that way…

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Thanks for the response. How very frustrating to go through all that and still have afib.

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Thanks for the response. How very frustrating to go through all that and still have afib.

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Yeah, I agree with you on your frustration. I have had 2 Ablations and have a Kardia EKG monitor and every so often it reads that I still have AFIB. Very frustrating.

I also just had a Cardiac Catheterization, and the Cardiologist said I had about a 20 to 30 percent blockage on my heart veins and arteries and said I did not require any stents. However, I do have a severe diagnosis of pulmonary hypertension which affects my breathing, and I get tired and winded and short of breath. So much for my running the marathon. Ha! I am 79 years old, and I can barely walk due to my vertigo much less run a marathon. Oh well, I just take it in stride, and I just thank God that I have lived this long.

Thanks, and take care.

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Radiofrequency, but please remember, this treatment, as well as others, is as much an art as a science. Therefore, it's crucial to get the right doc.
Regards,
Sagan

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Absolutely right on! Find the busiest and bestest EP you can drive/fly/run to, and afford. Their skill and experience will mean a high probability of success.

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My Cardiologist wanted to do an ablation burning around heart chamber. I had read some cases of this failing so I was very unsure. I met with Cardiologist resulting in 3 options 1 meds which weren't working, ablation and he agreed not always best results, then Pacemaker ablation. This ablation they take out the nodule between 4 chambers insert Pacemaker under collarbone with wires going in to heart. I don't think anything stops AF but once I go in to AF and I know as my breathing is compromised its not as long an episode. So far so good just gone 6 weeks today. 🤞🤞 Keeps on keeping on

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My Cardiologist wanted to do an ablation burning around heart chamber. I had read some cases of this failing so I was very unsure. I met with Cardiologist resulting in 3 options 1 meds which weren't working, ablation and he agreed not always best results, then Pacemaker ablation. This ablation they take out the nodule between 4 chambers insert Pacemaker under collarbone with wires going in to heart. I don't think anything stops AF but once I go in to AF and I know as my breathing is compromised its not as long an episode. So far so good just gone 6 weeks today. 🤞🤞 Keeps on keeping on

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Ann - thanks for your post. I have been on nearly all the meds for AFib, and they have not worked. I am currently in AFib while I am on 225 mg of Propafenone 3 times a day. The only thing that did work were cardioversions, but while they took me out of AFib - it was for just a short time. My EP and I discussed various ablations, and I have read so much about the PFA that I asked about that. Of course, as you say, so many on this site mention the ablation failing. In addition, my doctor said that with all my other issues (leaking valves, CKD, etc.), it would probably not be successful. He has recommended the Pacemaker ablation (he calls it a "simple" ablation). I already have a pacemaker; I had to get one when one of the AFib meds put me into bradycardia, and I passed out. I am scheduled for the AV Node Ablation later this month, and I am very anxious about it, so I appreciated your message. Yes, he told me that I would still have AFib in the atria - but the ventricles will have a normal pulse. My major symptom with AFib is my being short of breath. He told me that I would no longer have that issue. However, you indicate that your breathing is compromised when you go into AFib. So, I guess I will have to "wait and see" how this ablation affects me. Glad you are six weeks out, and all is well with you - and you are "keeping on"!

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