Anyone have discomfort or pain when tapering off prednisone?

Posted by monami @monami, Apr 7, 2022

I am currently on a 3 dose of prednisone. I have some shoulder discomfort that goes down my back on either side. The left side is worse than the right. Anyone else experience back issues? It tends to go away by 3 or 4 pm. Thanks to all! We will get over this thing!

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@marymckeith

@tuckerp On prednisone since 2023. Started at 20 Mg down to 5. It brought on diabetes and they would like me off it. Thanks so much for reply. They sent me to rheumatologist who put me on methotrexate. Just saw her and she said tests show it didn't help. I had been off it for 3 months after minor surgery. Tried it last week but seemed to make it worse. But thanks again. I will try to up Preda little amd see what happens.

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The MTX is an immune blocker to keep your system suppressed. This allows you to lower the prednisone dose without increasing inflammation. But it does nothing for restarting your bodies cortisol. So it didnt work. Other drugs like Kevzara may not work either. Your body does not want to restart. Since 2023 is not that bad. It should restart. You might go up for a few days and then drop back to 5mg. You can play with a little back and forth during the first week. The fact you cant restart does not make you weak. Your body has to have cortisol. Go back up a few days and try to get back to 5mg . Then very slowly taper. Try a 5-4-5-4 for a few weeks. Or maybe a 5-4-5-5-4 . Your body needs to be coaxed into restarting.

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@linda7

I just started on Kevzara. I did my research on it including reading the report of the phase 3 clinical trials. Yes, there is a rare side effect of the bowel which my rheumatologist explained to me. I don't have any known bowel issues. I also had to have a special test for tuberculosis. The drug hasn't been around very long and it does affect the immune system so there could be a cancer risk. This is all explained in the drug literature. I decided that it was worth the low known risk. I have been on prednisone over 2.5 years. Methotrexate initially helped me to reduce my prednisone but then did not seem to help and I had side effects, including elevated liver enzymes. I also did not like the way the methotrexate made me feel. I was taken off the MTX as soon as I started the Kevzara. I feel a lot more "normal" after 11 days on the K. I'm glad to be off the MTX. So far, so good. Will report back if I have problems.

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Don't expect an immediate change when starting Kevzara but try to be optimistic. Kevzara doesn't come with any guarantees but I think it is something worth trying.

I started Actemra five years ago for refractory PMR. I wasn't able to taper off prednisone until a year later. I tapered my prednisone dose by 1 mg per month for the first 3 months down to 7 mg. I wasn't optimistic that Actemra would work because of how many times my symptoms returned when I reached 7 mg. I figured a flare was inevitable so I tapered by 1 mg per week. Surprise ... no flare and I found myself in uncharted territory on 3 mg of prednisone.

I was aware of the "adrenal issue" so I contacted my rheumatologist to see what I should do. My cortisol level was checked and it was low so my rheumatologist said I shouldn't taper any lower than 3 mg.

I was referred to an endocrinologist who wanted me to stay on 3 mg until my cortisol level improved. I stayed on 3 mg for six months when my endocrinologist said my cortisol level was "adequate." My endocrinologist said she wasn't sure what would happen if I stopped taking prednisone but she encouraged me to try. She said I could go back on prednisone if I "felt the need."

There was a need to restart prednisone the first time I stopped prednisone. The second time was a breeze and now I have been off prednisone for 3 years.

Good Luck ...your experience with Kevzara may be different than my experience with Actemra. I still do a monthly infusion of Actemra. All my Prednisone related side effects are gone or are improving.

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@tuckerp

The MTX is an immune blocker to keep your system suppressed. This allows you to lower the prednisone dose without increasing inflammation. But it does nothing for restarting your bodies cortisol. So it didnt work. Other drugs like Kevzara may not work either. Your body does not want to restart. Since 2023 is not that bad. It should restart. You might go up for a few days and then drop back to 5mg. You can play with a little back and forth during the first week. The fact you cant restart does not make you weak. Your body has to have cortisol. Go back up a few days and try to get back to 5mg . Then very slowly taper. Try a 5-4-5-4 for a few weeks. Or maybe a 5-4-5-5-4 . Your body needs to be coaxed into restarting.

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Thanks so much! I'll try it starting tomorrow. Your response has given me hope. And that is what I needed.

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@tuckerp Hope you got my response. I so appreciated the information.

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@besmith57

My dr. wants to put me on kevzara also. I asked about it the other day on this site and received no responses. I hope you get some answers.

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Hi I started on 20mg of prednisone for PMR 4 years ago. Had difficulty tapering down so started KEVZARA a year ago, I am now down to 8 mg. Doesn’t seem to bother me with any noticeable symptoms.

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I have back pain all day. I had a double spinal fusion in 2022 with very bad osteoporosis. The prednisone really scares me because of my bones. I was thinking of trying the spinal nerve block but now I can't because of the steroids. I truly believe my back pain is from my PMR. My rheumatologist doesn't think that's the case. I just know when I was at 10 mg my pain was so much better. I can't even go for a walk without terrible pain. I now take 7,5 mg one day and 5mg the next. I'm also taking methotrexate 12.5mg weekly. I don't feel any different on it.

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@1942marilyne

Dexamethsone 2 mg am and 2 mg pm. So far good results. Could not take 4 mg 3 times a day. Way too much jittery

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@tuckerp

These social media sites are more to help exchange information. What we all have found is we are all different and different approaches work completely different between us. I have been here for 2 weeks and gained so much knowledge from this group. But probably none of us are equipped to say one thing vs another is the right approach. The medical field has just as much trouble with that. A medical team would have all your history and how much prednisone you have been on. How long you have been fighting PMR. Lots of information that leads them to a helpful answer. Here is what seems obvious to me. You are not ready to feel this devastated from the taper of prednisone. Cortisol production is life saving requirement for the human body. Your body has to have it. It could be very dangerous. If you were feeling better at a higher dose then I would go back to that dose. Go higher if you have to. Wherever your feeling more yourself. As they say "rome wasnt built in a day". I think you have a grasp of cortisol and how it works. So basically I do not think your ready to lower your prednisone dose even farther at this point. I would go back to emergency and continue to seek medical help if necessary.

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3 1/2 years. Prednisone cannot get below 5. Doing much better on dexamethsone. Interested in feedback

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@1942marilyne

3 1/2 years. Prednisone cannot get below 5. Doing much better on dexamethsone. Interested in feedback

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I took DEX for myself. I had self diagnosed myself and I had Dex available. So I tried it and it worked in 4 hours. Dex stays in your system a little longer than Prednisone. About 20-22 hrs vs 8-10 of prednisone. Its also about 5 times stronger. Dex is still a corticosteroid just like prednisone. It replaces your natural cortisol production with a synthetic version. Dont be fooled that your doing better because of dosage. You will still have trouble getting below the taper point. If it was 5 of prednisone it will be .75 of Dex. I hit the taper wall at 1mg then just fought through it. When you say doing much better on DEX I assume your taking more that the 1mg. There is no difference in what it will do to your body. Here is chart.
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@1942marilyne

Dexamethsone 2 mg am and 2 mg pm. So far good results. Could not take 4 mg 3 times a day. Way too much jittery

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You should have been jittery. Probably on cloud 9. Your taking 4mg of dex. Plus a split dose so you are keeping your cortisol pumped to the top. 4 mg is equivlent to about 22-24mg prednisone. I saw in one of your messages you were taking 5mg prednisone. Thats about .75 of dex. You have not done yourself any favors. They prescribe 4mg for brain tumor inflammation.

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