CBD oil for pain

Posted by timfitz @timfitz, Jul 19, 2016

After trying opiates, and lyrica, and mostly just suffering I tried sublingual CBD which is from the marijuana plant, but has no THC in it, you don’t get high. It was very very effective. Not only did it reduce my pain at least 75%, it has a calming effect on the anxiety produced in those of us with chronic pain by the fact we have it. I do recommend it…. Be sure it is from a reliable source. You don’t need to smoke anything or get high.

I just found this online about CBD detected in a drug screen:

“The question becomes: Can a person consuming only high-CBD, low-THC forms of cannabis test positive for the herb and, thus, lose their job? While many patients certainly want to medicate using a natural, alternative remedy like cannabis, they also can’t afford to lose their income and don’t desire to survive the stigma of being outed for marijuana, still a highly stigmatized substance, especially in conservative states lacking medical cannabis laws.

The short answer: No, one will almost never test positive for CBD oils that contain almost no THC.

What About Heavy Consumers?

There are a few reasons that heavy consumers of CBD oil may initially test positive on a drug screen. Most popular urine tests for cannabis follow the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) guidelines, meaning they will not detect a cannabinoid like CBD because such tests involve very little “cross-reactivity” between THC and other common cannabinoids like CBD, CBG, CBC, and CBN.

However, patients who consume very large quantities of CBD oil, such as 1-2 grams per day, could possibly test positive on an initial urine screening. When an initial test flags positive, a second, more accurate test called a GC/MS is administered to the urine sample to confirm if it is an actual positive for THC (false positives on the first, less stringent test aren’t completely uncommon). Because this second, confirmatory test easily differentiates between THC and CBD, even the heaviest of CBD oil consumers can rest assured that they won’t lose their job because of this alternative treatment for their disease or ailment. As long as they don’t consume THC, that is.”

And from the Charlotte’s Web web site (the one I’m currently using):

“Cannabinoids are the primary chemical compounds produced by the cannabis plant and there are more than 85 identified cannabinoids. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the most well known cannabinoid produced by the cannabis plant, and is the ONLY psychoactive cannabinoid. Of the 85+ non-psychoactive cannabinoids, Cannabidiol (CBD) is the most widely known.

Charlotte’s Web™ is a whole plant hemp extract containing the entire range of U.S. Government patented cannabinoids. Charlotte’s Web™ was created using proprietary genetics developed by Colorado’s Stanley brothers. Classified as hemp and thus legal to ship to all 50 states, Charlotte’s Web™ contains THC levels of 0.3% or less. “

REPLY
@geek_girl

I just found this online about CBD detected in a drug screen:

“The question becomes: Can a person consuming only high-CBD, low-THC forms of cannabis test positive for the herb and, thus, lose their job? While many patients certainly want to medicate using a natural, alternative remedy like cannabis, they also can’t afford to lose their income and don’t desire to survive the stigma of being outed for marijuana, still a highly stigmatized substance, especially in conservative states lacking medical cannabis laws.

The short answer: No, one will almost never test positive for CBD oils that contain almost no THC.

What About Heavy Consumers?

There are a few reasons that heavy consumers of CBD oil may initially test positive on a drug screen. Most popular urine tests for cannabis follow the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) guidelines, meaning they will not detect a cannabinoid like CBD because such tests involve very little “cross-reactivity” between THC and other common cannabinoids like CBD, CBG, CBC, and CBN.

However, patients who consume very large quantities of CBD oil, such as 1-2 grams per day, could possibly test positive on an initial urine screening. When an initial test flags positive, a second, more accurate test called a GC/MS is administered to the urine sample to confirm if it is an actual positive for THC (false positives on the first, less stringent test aren’t completely uncommon). Because this second, confirmatory test easily differentiates between THC and CBD, even the heaviest of CBD oil consumers can rest assured that they won’t lose their job because of this alternative treatment for their disease or ailment. As long as they don’t consume THC, that is.”

And from the Charlotte’s Web web site (the one I’m currently using):

“Cannabinoids are the primary chemical compounds produced by the cannabis plant and there are more than 85 identified cannabinoids. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the most well known cannabinoid produced by the cannabis plant, and is the ONLY psychoactive cannabinoid. Of the 85+ non-psychoactive cannabinoids, Cannabidiol (CBD) is the most widely known.

Charlotte’s Web™ is a whole plant hemp extract containing the entire range of U.S. Government patented cannabinoids. Charlotte’s Web™ was created using proprietary genetics developed by Colorado’s Stanley brothers. Classified as hemp and thus legal to ship to all 50 states, Charlotte’s Web™ contains THC levels of 0.3% or less. “

Jump to this post

I was a medical lab tech for years. Did all these blood tests hospitals and health department in every area of the lab.. I’m not sure if anybody’s aware, but you can fail a marijuana blood test by eating poppyseeds, like on a bagel. I believe there other foods that will cross react also, but Poppyseed are a big one.

REPLY
@geek_girl

I recommend that you try CBD (hemp only) to see if it works for you. If that doesn’t work, and you live in a state where Medical Marijuana is legal, then try a THC version. This is just my opinion based on my experience and not medical advice.

I live in Colorado where both Medical Marijuana (MM) and recreational marijuana are legal. Both versions are taxed and have varying rules, the recreational use is taxed at a higher rate than the medical. You can get edibles, tinctures, topicals, leaves, or vape. You can grow a fixed amount for yourself, or assign your plant allocation to a dispensary. You can buy a fixed amount per day. Medical users can get more than recreational users.

There are designated medical doctors here that will help you get a MM card. As people have mentioned here, pain management and other medical doctors will not prescribe opioids if you do pot (THC). I think this is because of the Federal regulations on opioid abuse and that pot is not legal at the Federal level.

Each state is currently making their own laws and regulations, and of course the new federal administration is making their own threats. Sigh. So if you are interested in trying the THC version, you’ll need to find out what your state’s laws are.

Federal laws apply to transporting it out of state–don’t do it. According to the TSA page for flying: “Federal law provides no basis to treat medical marijuana any differently than non-medical marijuana.” Just Google your state and the state you are going to for the applicable laws.

Pot has lots of chemical components, the two big ones people talk about are THC and CBD. THC is the component that makes you feel high, and the component that shows up on the drug tests. And you don’t have to take a lot for it to show up on a test. CBD (hemp oil) does not show up on the test. There are different strains of pot that give a different effect; from relaxing to stimulating. CBD is another component that helps with pain. You can get a variety of strengths and ratios. Also, as people have mentioned, the quality of the brand makes a big difference.

There are no definitive guidelines as to what will work for any given person. Everyone reacts differently to the different options, plus the different options affect pain (and anxiety) differently. There are also a lot of options, and so this makes it hard to figure out what is working and what is not. It also takes a while to take effect, and so you might not think it’s working right away. You just have to try different things. Some people don’t feel stoned from THC, some do. I do. I feel like a dizzy drunk and I hate it. I’ve tried 50:50 and 1:50 THC:CBD ratios as well as CBD only (hemp oil). Right now I’m using a CBD only tincture. It has no THC and can be sold across state lines. It has a mint/chocolate flavor and does not make me gag like some of the others I’ve tried. The other gaggy ones I had to immediately eat a cracker to get it off my tongue. I’m currently using the Charlotte’s Web brand. This is the brand that has received a lot of press in helping kids with seizures. I’ve seen other brands with other flavors but haven’t tried them. The other thing I would recommend is to use a higher dose before giving up on a product, but ramp up slowly. Especially if you are trying a THC version. The starting dose recommendations on some brands were too low for me for CBD. I take 50mg or more of CBD per day right now.

I’ve heard that THC helps with certain kinds of pain, like cancer. I think CBD helps with my current pain more than THC. I didn’t know about the THC/cancer thing when i was going through it (2006). I didn’t notice that THC helped me at all recently. I have slight scoliosis, spondylolisthesis (slipped vertebra), lymphedema, and have had multiple surgeries to remove my femur top (girdlestone) and part of my pelvic girdle (hemi-pelvectomy) due to radiation damage from cancer treatment and subsequent infections. I have nerve pain from the back stuff and all the other bone and muscle pain from the other stuff. I’m weaning myself off norco and looking for other options. I think the CBD oil is helping me do that. I also use an over-the-counter supplement (r-lipoic acid) for the nerve pain (instead of Gabapentin/Lyrica).

One of my doctors said that anxiety can be a huge component with pain, so managing anxiety can help with pain. I haven’t tried anything for that yet.

Jump to this post

from kozlo52; I have been on different narcotics over 17 years, since I have rheumatoid arthritis. I cannot take norco 7.5-325 any more due to getting body itch; the same applies to oxycodone; dilaudid makes me very nauseated, but i can control the itch with zyrtec; i cannot take morphine sulfate due to making me sick;; fentanyl patch makes me very itchy; lyrica, gabapentin, neurontin gives me a very bad body itch, but did help with the c3-c7 stenosis, c5-c6 pinched nerve, l4-l5 stenosis. All my biologic modifiers for my RA i couldn’t take due to very bad side effects, 2 of which were torn retina’s in both eyes that had to be repaired and kidney failure, which my kidneys came back. This is why i am looking to others for a pure non lousy tasting CBD oil that can be taked sublingually. I have tried 1 brand here in pittsburgh,pa. and the aftertaste was terrible, but the pain was greatly relieved in my whole body. If you are on narcotics long enough then you may develope an intolerance to them. Also if i take any NSAIDS such as ibuprofen, i still get very bad heartburn, even though i have had a 360 degree fundoplication with 3 dilations. I currently have to have my gallbladder removed on july 27 since i ahve multiple gallstones. This may be contributing to my continued heartburn…….kozlo52

REPLY
@geek_girl

I just found this online about CBD detected in a drug screen:

“The question becomes: Can a person consuming only high-CBD, low-THC forms of cannabis test positive for the herb and, thus, lose their job? While many patients certainly want to medicate using a natural, alternative remedy like cannabis, they also can’t afford to lose their income and don’t desire to survive the stigma of being outed for marijuana, still a highly stigmatized substance, especially in conservative states lacking medical cannabis laws.

The short answer: No, one will almost never test positive for CBD oils that contain almost no THC.

What About Heavy Consumers?

There are a few reasons that heavy consumers of CBD oil may initially test positive on a drug screen. Most popular urine tests for cannabis follow the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) guidelines, meaning they will not detect a cannabinoid like CBD because such tests involve very little “cross-reactivity” between THC and other common cannabinoids like CBD, CBG, CBC, and CBN.

However, patients who consume very large quantities of CBD oil, such as 1-2 grams per day, could possibly test positive on an initial urine screening. When an initial test flags positive, a second, more accurate test called a GC/MS is administered to the urine sample to confirm if it is an actual positive for THC (false positives on the first, less stringent test aren’t completely uncommon). Because this second, confirmatory test easily differentiates between THC and CBD, even the heaviest of CBD oil consumers can rest assured that they won’t lose their job because of this alternative treatment for their disease or ailment. As long as they don’t consume THC, that is.”

And from the Charlotte’s Web web site (the one I’m currently using):

“Cannabinoids are the primary chemical compounds produced by the cannabis plant and there are more than 85 identified cannabinoids. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the most well known cannabinoid produced by the cannabis plant, and is the ONLY psychoactive cannabinoid. Of the 85+ non-psychoactive cannabinoids, Cannabidiol (CBD) is the most widely known.

Charlotte’s Web™ is a whole plant hemp extract containing the entire range of U.S. Government patented cannabinoids. Charlotte’s Web™ was created using proprietary genetics developed by Colorado’s Stanley brothers. Classified as hemp and thus legal to ship to all 50 states, Charlotte’s Web™ contains THC levels of 0.3% or less. “

Jump to this post

from kozlo52; I had worked at 2 nuclear plants in my better health years and i know guys who ate poppyseed cake and got randomly called for urine test and tested positive . As long as they could prove they had poppyseed cake or bread they did not face possible dismissal. @jennapower you are correct about poppyseeds.

REPLY
@geek_girl

I just found this online about CBD detected in a drug screen:

“The question becomes: Can a person consuming only high-CBD, low-THC forms of cannabis test positive for the herb and, thus, lose their job? While many patients certainly want to medicate using a natural, alternative remedy like cannabis, they also can’t afford to lose their income and don’t desire to survive the stigma of being outed for marijuana, still a highly stigmatized substance, especially in conservative states lacking medical cannabis laws.

The short answer: No, one will almost never test positive for CBD oils that contain almost no THC.

What About Heavy Consumers?

There are a few reasons that heavy consumers of CBD oil may initially test positive on a drug screen. Most popular urine tests for cannabis follow the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) guidelines, meaning they will not detect a cannabinoid like CBD because such tests involve very little “cross-reactivity” between THC and other common cannabinoids like CBD, CBG, CBC, and CBN.

However, patients who consume very large quantities of CBD oil, such as 1-2 grams per day, could possibly test positive on an initial urine screening. When an initial test flags positive, a second, more accurate test called a GC/MS is administered to the urine sample to confirm if it is an actual positive for THC (false positives on the first, less stringent test aren’t completely uncommon). Because this second, confirmatory test easily differentiates between THC and CBD, even the heaviest of CBD oil consumers can rest assured that they won’t lose their job because of this alternative treatment for their disease or ailment. As long as they don’t consume THC, that is.”

And from the Charlotte’s Web web site (the one I’m currently using):

“Cannabinoids are the primary chemical compounds produced by the cannabis plant and there are more than 85 identified cannabinoids. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the most well known cannabinoid produced by the cannabis plant, and is the ONLY psychoactive cannabinoid. Of the 85+ non-psychoactive cannabinoids, Cannabidiol (CBD) is the most widely known.

Charlotte’s Web™ is a whole plant hemp extract containing the entire range of U.S. Government patented cannabinoids. Charlotte’s Web™ was created using proprietary genetics developed by Colorado’s Stanley brothers. Classified as hemp and thus legal to ship to all 50 states, Charlotte’s Web™ contains THC levels of 0.3% or less. “

Jump to this post

The poppy seed contains NO Marijuana, but it is the base ingredient for Opioids. Two completely different things.

REPLY

If you google foods that give false positives there are a few things I think

REPLY

Thank you for sharing. I too use RSO oil cbd concentrated. In Massachusetts that is the more CBD in it so far. It has some THC but in my case is needed. After ten years of my lymp cancer , hundreds of quimos, two bone marrow transplant and 4 years of different GVHD manifestation I end up weigh-in 378, taking around 30 meds a day, oxigen and lots of pain meds. Cbd works for everything. Is the future.

REPLY
@timfitz

Every state is different You need to goigle it Remember cbd Nothing with thc in it

Jump to this post

Yes, that is correct. You need THC to activate the CBD. Very good results for two years now.

REPLY
@timfitz

Every state is different You need to goigle it Remember cbd Nothing with thc in it

Jump to this post

I agree wholeheartedly.

REPLY

I’m glad it worked for you. I tried all forms of it and it did absolutely nothing to ease anxiety or pain.

REPLY

I have chronic pain with spinal stenosis and fibromyalgia – diagnoses made 25 years ago at Scripps Clinic in La Jolla , CA. I have just come across information on CBD ,however, the information is very conflicting from one website to another; I would like to know where to get accurate information and if it is recommended what manufacturers are reliable sources .

REPLY
@myquest

I have chronic pain with spinal stenosis and fibromyalgia – diagnoses made 25 years ago at Scripps Clinic in La Jolla , CA. I have just come across information on CBD ,however, the information is very conflicting from one website to another; I would like to know where to get accurate information and if it is recommended what manufacturers are reliable sources .

Jump to this post

It is well explained in the pinned posts in the FB pages “CBD Oil Users Group” and CBD Oil and Fibromyalgia.” I am so sorry I hadn’t learned about it years ago.

REPLY
@myquest

I have chronic pain with spinal stenosis and fibromyalgia – diagnoses made 25 years ago at Scripps Clinic in La Jolla , CA. I have just come across information on CBD ,however, the information is very conflicting from one website to another; I would like to know where to get accurate information and if it is recommended what manufacturers are reliable sources .

Jump to this post

Welcome to Connect, @myquest. While we wait for fellow Connect members to share their insights, I thought you might wish to read these journal studies about CBD and pain management:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317221.php
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5645627/

I’d also like to tag Mentors @jimhd @johnbishop; would you have more information for @myquest?

REPLY
@myquest

I have chronic pain with spinal stenosis and fibromyalgia – diagnoses made 25 years ago at Scripps Clinic in La Jolla , CA. I have just come across information on CBD ,however, the information is very conflicting from one website to another; I would like to know where to get accurate information and if it is recommended what manufacturers are reliable sources .

Jump to this post

Hello @myquest, I would like to add my welcome to Connect along with @kanaazpereira and other Connect members. I have not used CBD oil or other forms for my small fiber peripheral neuropathy since I only have the numbness and don’t have any pain associated with it. I’ve listened to a speaker at the Minnesota Neuropathy Association talk about CBD used for chronic pain management but it’s not readily available here in Minnesota. You have to get on the states approved list and then work with your doctor and a compounding pharmacist to get it.

I would like to tag another member who I think uses CBD and may know reliable sources in California – @artscaping are you able to provide any information on CBD use?

@myquest have you discussed the use of CBD with your doctors or chronic pain management doctor? They should be able to provide some reliable sources. Another good source of information when doing your own research is Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/). You can find links to research papers, articles and more and sort the links by date for the latest ones. Here is an example of using it to search for “cbd oil for pain”:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2017&q=cbd+oil+for+pain&hl=en&as_sdt=0,24

John

REPLY

CBD is legal in all states, and you don’t need a prescription or medical-marijuana card to purchase it. It’s beneficial for innumerous issues, not just pain.

On Facebook, the CBD Oil Users Group is rife with information. It isn’t just opinions; you’ll find a multitude of links to studies, brands to stay away from, brands that are tried-and-true, third-party lab results, etc. If you aren’t on FB, this group is the only reason you need to give it a go.

I take it and it is a silver bullet—yes, there is such a thing!

REPLY
Please login or register to post a reply.