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Other causes of failed PEth test for alcohol abuse?

Posted by gjones1956 @gjones1956, Nov 14, 2017

My daughter undergoes periodic peth testing for alchohol abuse. She fails regularly, although swears she drinks NOTHING. We have reason to believe she is telling the truth. Assuming she is indeed not drinking, is there a physical condition or ailment that might produce positive peth tests? She is 29, has enlarged lymph nodes, some kind of mysterious condition that gives her severe hives, etc. We are wondering if some type of autoinflammation or autoimmune condition might explain elevated levels. Our daughter is FINALLY discussing this with her regular doctor but if it is some unusual condition a specialist will be needed. The reason the peth test is required is due to a nasty custody dispute with lots of allegations of misconduct. I just want to know if there is ANYTHING other than alchohol consumption that can lead to positive test results. Any thoughts or knowledge of cases? Thanks for reading.

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drjake79 | @drjake79 | Jun 1, 2023
In reply to @toolsd "Peth testing is simply not well enough understood to stand on its own. It seems to..." + (show)
@toolsd

Peth testing is simply not well enough understood to stand on its own. It seems to have value in context with EVERYTHING else, just like they say.

Unfortunately there simply aren’t any appropriate studies yet. I’m working on that...

There are plenty of expert opinions available saying just this, and even opinions that false positives exist. There just aren’t studies showing the precise reason why...

Conversely, there aren’t studies showing peth testing is immune to error, merely empty statements that it’s only possible to get a positive test if you’ve been drinking.

I do believe the statement that peth is only formed if ethyl alcohol is present is likely accurate. However, where that alcohol comes from is highly debatable. To have SOME present is NOT a foolproof indicator of drinking, and I even believe the dried blood spot method of blood collection allows for post collection synthesis of alcohol itself.

Dried blood spot collection of blood is fraught with all sorts of problems, as evidenced by finger prick blood sugar devices.

Contact me offline if you want more info.

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I received a 60ng positive peth result from a USDTL finger prick test and have been abstinent for 2years. Please contact me immediately to discuss if you don’t mind. I’m going to want to supplement my testing with them with same day while blood draw with LabCorp going forward. I will be tested every 2-3 week’s minimum for the next 6months to keep my license.

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drjake79 | @drjake79 | Jun 1, 2023
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@drjake79

I received a 60ng positive peth result from a USDTL finger prick test and have been abstinent for 2years. Please contact me immediately to discuss if you don’t mind. I’m going to want to supplement my testing with them with same day while blood draw with LabCorp going forward. I will be tested every 2-3 week’s minimum for the next 6months to keep my license.

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Not sure how to contact you directly or I would have

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John, Volunteer Mentor | @johnbishop | Jun 1, 2023
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@drjake79

Not sure how to contact you directly or I would have

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Hi @drjake79, Welcome to Connect. Hopefully you will hear from @toolsd soon. You can send a private message to a member by clicking on their member name which takes you to their profile. Then click the Send a private message link under their profile description.

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drjake79 | @drjake79 | Jun 1, 2023
In reply to @johnbishop "Hi @drjake79, Welcome to Connect. Hopefully you will hear from @toolsd soon. You can send a..." + (show)
@johnbishop

Hi @drjake79, Welcome to Connect. Hopefully you will hear from @toolsd soon. You can send a private message to a member by clicking on their member name which takes you to their profile. Then click the Send a private message link under their profile description.

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I’ve tried to send him a private message, and when I click in his profile, there’s no ability to do so

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drjake79 | @drjake79 | Jun 1, 2023
In reply to @johnbishop "Hi @drjake79, Welcome to Connect. Hopefully you will hear from @toolsd soon. You can send a..." + (show)
@johnbishop

Hi @drjake79, Welcome to Connect. Hopefully you will hear from @toolsd soon. You can send a private message to a member by clicking on their member name which takes you to their profile. Then click the Send a private message link under their profile description.

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If you can, send him a private message for me. I’ll provide my email for you to do so I just don’t wanna put it on public display.

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drjake79 | @drjake79 | Jun 1, 2023
In reply to @toolsd "Talk to us @meframpton... need some details. Outcomes vary still. What you’re really fighting is a..." + (show)
@toolsd

Talk to us @meframpton... need some details.

Outcomes vary still. What you’re really fighting is a paradigm predicated on lack of self confidence that then places responsibility for determining if you ever drank on a lifeless blameless test.

The test has problems. We still don’t know precisely what they are. Collecting details here is starting to reveal patterns. Would like to know minute details of your situation before introducing bias.

Private message me if you’d like to talk.

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Tools.. I cannot PM you for some reason. Please reach out to me with your contact info. I’ve had positive 60ng DBS with USDTL. Am abstinent. Had it retested at UTSOM and verified same. Need advice on other testing. Thinking same day blood draw with lab Corp simultaneous going forward. Will have to test every 2-3 weeks for 6mo and certain this will happen again. Please contact me

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John, Volunteer Mentor | @johnbishop | Jun 1, 2023
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@drjake79

Tools.. I cannot PM you for some reason. Please reach out to me with your contact info. I’ve had positive 60ng DBS with USDTL. Am abstinent. Had it retested at UTSOM and verified same. Need advice on other testing. Thinking same day blood draw with lab Corp simultaneous going forward. Will have to test every 2-3 weeks for 6mo and certain this will happen again. Please contact me

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When I click on @toolsd, I see his profile description which is blank and at the bottom of the description in the grey area at the top of the window, I see Send Private Message with a small envelope to the left. Here's the direct link you can use to send him a private message:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/message-center/compose/?participant=toolsd

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drjake79 | @drjake79 | Jun 1, 2023
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@slw2227282

Hi! We are also in Alabama. Could you PM me? I would love to know if we have dealt with the same individuals in the middle who states they are the expert.

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Please PM me with your Contact info. I’m
In Alabama and am getting railroaded in the EXACT same way. Same program. Same testers. Same PHP monitor. Please help me. Would love to discuss if you don’t mind.

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drjake79 | @drjake79 | Jun 1, 2023
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@johnbishop

When I click on @toolsd, I see his profile description which is blank and at the bottom of the description in the grey area at the top of the window, I see Send Private Message with a small envelope to the left. Here's the direct link you can use to send him a private message:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/message-center/compose/?participant=toolsd

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Apparently, the feature is not available to my account yet. Maybe it needs a day or so to become active

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John, Volunteer Mentor | @johnbishop | Jun 1, 2023
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@drjake79

Apparently, the feature is not available to my account yet. Maybe it needs a day or so to become active

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I think you are right. It also takes a short amount of time before new members can post links. I think it’s to prevent advertising & spamming. Hopefully @toolsd will see you reply and respond. He was active 21 hours ago so might not have seen the email notifications.

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