am I exercising too much with a 4.3 ascending aortic aneurysm?

Posted by kmailloux @kmailloux, Mar 15, 2023

I am a 60 year old female, who has been very active her whole life. I was a very competitive gymnast, then moved to triathlons, then to cycling and running, strength training has always supported these activities. I am a certified personal trainer, and the aneurysm is a new diagnosis as of Dec of 2022. it was shocking - I now have a heart condition. I ran a marathon 2 weeks after I turned 60. My Cradic surgeon has stated that I can train for a 50k (31 miles) race, as well as a 150 mile bike ride. I have a 50 lb lifting weight limit. My BP is low and I am on no medications. My questions are .. is the activity too much? I run 5-6 days a week plus strength training and biking. I have mild chest pain - all of this has been told to my doc. they keep telling me everything is ok - I am just so nervous about all of this - but want to keep doing what I love. Any input will be appreciated.

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My aortic dilation is 4.0 cm. I exercise a lot hiking and climbing mountains. Often my heart rate gets into the 140s-150s. I never know though if that bad or not. My doc told me no restrictions on exercise. Thanks for posting this thread.

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@azguy1 Yeah, I was hiking and biking with no issue until my ascending aneurysm got to 5.4cm, at which point I went in for surgery to repair. So, when my aneurysm was in the 4cm range like yours is, I was blissfully ignorant and had no issues with exercise. I am now 1.5 years post surgery and am back to hiking and biking with no issues... my heart rate regularly gets into the mid-140's but when it does, I slow down and then get back at it...

Enjoy life but keep monitoring that dilation yearly...

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@shiloh376 hi , here is one of them, the most important:


In this one Dr Prakash talks about exercise and how it affects BP and aneurysms in

The other video I have posted is from Dr Andrew Huberman’s channel and he and a guest explain why and how high BP increases when lifting heavy weights, but watch Dr Prakash’s he focus solely on aneurysms

Hope it helps!!

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@houston13 Thank you so much!

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@houston13 How can I find your videos? I am very interested. Shiloh376 Brian

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@shiloh376 hi , here is one of them, the most important:


In this one Dr Prakash talks about exercise and how it affects BP and aneurysms in

The other video I have posted is from Dr Andrew Huberman’s channel and he and a guest explain why and how high BP increases when lifting heavy weights, but watch Dr Prakash’s he focus solely on aneurysms

Hope it helps!!

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Profile picture for houston13 @houston13

The main issue with exercise is avoiding any exercise that leads you to hold your breath and/or grunt, that is common when trying to maintain back stability, sometimes while doing planks, crunches or lifting heavy weights. It is known that during those moments your BP rises significantly and high BP is the worst enemy of an aneurysm. That is why cardiologists normally tell patients to limit weight lifting to 30lbs. I have posted videos in this forum about exercising and aneurysms, look through my posts and you will find them. One of them is from a cardiologist who does research in the subject the other is by Dr Andy Galpin with Dr Huberman, it is not about aneurysms but how and why straining makes BP increase and by how much

On the other hand keeping your body healthy it’s paramount in case you ever need surgery to repair your aneurysm. I had mine repaired in 2020, I was 54 and my aneurysm was 5.2 cm. I was in very good physical shape and my surgeon gave me >99% of having no complications. I was out of the hospital in 5 days back to work in 3 weeks

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@houston13 How can I find your videos? I am very interested. Shiloh376 Brian

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Thank you so much for your feed back.. and yes I am trying to pin point the chest pain. It drives me crazy, trying to figure out what is causing it. the Doctors don't want to do more testing because I am a very healthy 60 year old ... expect and aortic aneurysm, that could be life threatening. I am new to this all and still trying to come to grips with it.. it doesn't help when the doc's and nurses give you the standard "don't lift more than 50 lbs" Im 5'2" and 125lbs how is that the same as a 6'2" man of 250 lbs.. doesn't make sense to me.. As does the as much cardio as you are use to guideline.. I am used to Marathons - is that much blood going thru the aorta good for the aneurysm ? no one seems to know.. Any helo is great.

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@kmailloux Hi. I am a 71 year old man diagnosed 8 years ago with an AAA that was 4.4 cm. I am very active and have gradually increased the intensity of my daily walks of about 2 miles walking at a brisk pace. I also lift light weights about 5 times a week gradually having increased the amount. I do lots of squats with no weight and pushups against the kitchen counter. In the gym I bench press using 25-35lb dumbells doing about 10 reps backing off as I begin to strain. I use exercise bands at home as well so I am exercising frequently. In 8 years my aneurysm has not grown at all. I have a CAT scan with contrasting dye to keep track at least once a year but more often lately since I have increased the amount and intensity of the workouts i do.

So I am curious. Here we are 2 and 1/2 years later and I am wondering how you are doing. Have you backed off on your exercise? Has there been any change in the size of your aneurysm? How are you doing? Brian

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I absolutely agree with kmailloux. When found my aneurysm was a 4. I was told when it reached 5 we would discuss options. I ended up with an emergency dissection at 4.5 cm. Emergency everything just like kmailloux said. Be mindful, don't lift anything that causes you to grunt, moan, groan, hold your breath, or strain. ASK FOR HELP! I am a 71 YO female and this happened to me at 68. I am going in for another surgery for correction in February. I had no symptoms then and have none now.
Best wishes

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My aortic dilation is 4.0 cm. I exercise a lot hiking and climbing mountains. Often my heart rate gets into the 140s-150s. I never know though if that bad or not. My doc told me no restrictions on exercise. Thanks for posting this thread.

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@azguy1

I remember feeling the same confusion when I first heard the words “aortic dissection.” Mine was already tearing by the time anyone realized what was happening, and in 2015 I ended up on an operating table for emergency open-heart surgery and a Dacron graft. Because of that, I pay very close attention now to what the numbers actually mean and what the body is trying to tell us.

A dilation of 4.0 cm is something to respect, but it’s not something that should steal the joy from your life. The fact that your doctor has cleared you without restrictions is reassuring. What I learned after my own dissection is that it isn’t the activity itself that’s the danger — it’s how we do it. The aorta hates sudden spikes in pressure. It hates breath-holding. It hates that heavy Valsalva strain we slip into without thinking. You can climb mountains, hike hard, and let your heart rate rise, but the key is keeping every movement smooth and every breath open. When the breathing stays loose, the pressure stays steady, and the aorta stays happier.

I still exercise every day, but I do it with attention instead of fear. If you feel good, if you’re breathing easily, and if your doctor has given you the green light, you’re doing the right things. Knowing your measurement and paying attention to the mechanics of how you move is what keeps you safe. That knowledge is power — and it’s power I wish I’d had before my dissection.

You’re not alone in this. Keep moving, keep breathing, and keep respecting that aorta without letting it run your life. Peace.

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My aortic dilation is 4.0 cm. I exercise a lot hiking and climbing mountains. Often my heart rate gets into the 140s-150s. I never know though if that bad or not. My doc told me no restrictions on exercise. Thanks for posting this thread.

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Yeah you’re right. When you explain to your PCP what happened and he doesn’t respond then I should dump him. My laughing cardiovascular surgeon should go next. Especially when I asked him if it could burst and he nonchalantly said that it could. Then practically running out of the exam room. He wasn’t taking me seriously. I had questions I couldn’t ask because he blew me off.

The first hospital I went to said that they found a torn aneurysm and was being transferred to a specialized hospital for emergency surgery.
The second hospital, the cardiovascular surgeon agreed but said that since it wasn’t bleeding at that time I should call my jerky cardiovascular surgeon ASAP and he blew me off. That’s a ratio of 2 vs 1 dingbat.
I googled “Cardiovascular surgeons near me “and at least a dozen showed up with most having doctors hospital privileges at some of the best hospitals including a heart hospital. My cardiovascular surgeon never told me the size of it. Even if it was small I still want to know what size it is so I don’t get a surprise.

I poured over the trauma hospital’s portal which I downloaded years ago and there I found it tucked away in a doctor’s notes “History of aortic aneurysm, and it said 3cm.
You know how long I’ve been dying to find out and I finally found it? A year ago I began to wonder and I just forgot to ask him. That shouldn’t have to be my responsibility in order to find out He should have told me instead of “see you next year!”

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@andytheman
My torn aneurysm has grown from 3cm to 3.9 as of last year. I’m currently waiting for my appointment with my cardiologist to tell me what it is now.

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I have a torn aortic aneurysm in my abdomen. It only measures 3 cm but it is torn. I went to a hospital emergency department for an unrelated issue and the doctor walks into my exam room and said “we are going to transfer you to a trauma hospital for emergency surgery”

I asked why and he said that a CT scan showed that I had a torn aortic aneurysm. I said ok then was transferred to a trauma hospital. While in the trauma hospital a cardiovascular surgeon said that I would have to come back into the hospital but right now it isn’t bleeding so we feel that you are stable enough to be discharged. I felt uncomfortable with that but I accepted it.

The cardiovascular doctor said for me to see my cardiovascular surgeon ASAP. I made the appointment with him for the next day and he laughed and said “I don’t see anything through a sonogram.”

He was obviously Annoyed that I dare visit him and he was quick to attend to the patients that had appointments that day.
He poo pood the whole appointment and he walked out saying “all hospitals say ASAP and we have ways to take care of these things!”

What if I’m briskly taking a walk and I collapse? Most people would think I had a heart attack and push on my chest. That would do nothing and I could die as burst aneurysms are usually fatal. As he was walking out of the exam room I asked him if could burst and he said “it could!” Then said “see you next year!” I made an appointment for a year from now.

I happen to have a replacement aortic mechanical heart valve and am on blood thinners which could cause me to bleed out. Should I seek a second opinion.
I messaged my PCP last week and he has failed to respond. I feel like a walk-in time bomb!

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UPDATE: My torn aneurysm has grown to 3.9 so it isn’t sitting still

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