All pain gone after one "test"

Posted by mrmik @mrmik, Nov 9 12:20am

Woke up for the first time in years WITHOUT PAIN
My friend has always told me, "If you wake up one day without pain, you know you for sure you're dead!"
Fortunately it was not true.

I have suffered from Chronic pain in my lower back for the last 6 years which started after I was diagnosed with Lyme disease. Initially, Steroid injections in the back helped.
After a few years, the injections eventually stopped working after a few months.
Then I was treated with RFA (Radio Frequency Ablation of the Medial Nerve)First with a hot needle (90 deg C) in 2 locations which lasted for 2 months.
Secondly with a cold needle (60 deg C) in 8 locations. But now the pain changed to a burning sensation "in a wide belt" inside my lower back for 4 months.
After that I have been in pain constantly with varying intensity plus feeling inflammation in all parts of my body.
Therefore I have been "treating" myself using finely ground Turmeric, Cinnamon, Ginger, Vanilla, black pepper and honey as a thick slurry. Taken as a tablespoon every evening before bedtime as it is supposed to be good against inflammation. I have felt some relief but nothing significant.

NOW
As a Chemical Engineer I started looking at the nature of inflammation and compared it to the active ingredients in my cocktail. And it turned out that it should work.

HOWEVER
Without getting too technical, the inflamed areas were in zones of a fatty nature which are hydrophobic (repels water - like water droplets on a goose)
At the same time, the active ingredients in my cocktail (except for honey) are also hydrophobic.
SO the cocktail had little effect because they were not properly dissolved and released as the stomach fluids are the opposite of hydrophobic = hydrophilic.
In other words the active ingredients went down the toilet.

Alcohol
It turned out that the active ingredients in my cocktail powders would easily dissolve in Alcohol.

So to make a long story short
I dissolved one teaspoon of each spice (but only a 1/8 teaspoon of black pepper) with a table spoon of honey in a double shot of Rum.
Stirred it for some minutes and enjoyed it.
The next morning; I WAS PAIN FREE!
I was laying in bed looking up at the ceiling enjoying every minute of it.
After going for a swim in the afternoon, I began to feel slight pain or rather tension but only 10% of usual.

The day after (at the time of this writing) I have only minimum pain, or rather a tension in my back.
I realize my test only represents one datapoint, but it is a good start with an unbelievable outcome.

MY NEXT APPROACH
I have already made a bottle of slurry (same ingredients) but using only enough alcohol to make it flow like a thick slurry for the purpose of limiting the alcohol intake.
I plan to take one tablespoon of slurry in the evening before bedtime.

DISCLOSURE
I am 6 feet, 216 lbs. and enjoyed not only one but 3 cocktails that evening. So the medical term could suggest I was under anesthesia when I went to bed (in leigh man terms: DRUNK)
I am not suggesting anyone do as I have done, and also check the side effects of the spices in the cocktail.

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Profile picture for ellesea01 @ellesea01

Me again, I wanted to ask you if you don’t mind, do you have a condition that's been diagnosed? Just w9ndering cause I do know how rotten it is when you're going through all types of time consuming appointments especially when you're hurting and not knowing what this heck is going on? I'm pretty sure It's no bagfull of cuddly kittens even if one knows. Yikes. Hope some really good stuff comes your way soon nannybb. Neat name luv how it sounds ... 💐 🌹 🌸 You are not alone...ever.
@nannybb

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@ellesea01 My name came about from being a professional nanny for 25 + years . First it was Nana, then Nanny B. One day, two of my children (twins) asked what my maiden name was. It begins with a B as well. So they started calling me Nanny BB, and it stuck. The "children" are now in college. Whew.
I have carcinoid tumors. I was operated on, and then told I have more in both lungs post-op. It is the pain from the operation that I am dealing with now. Going for the second opinion has me thankful and a bit anxious at the same time. Being able to reach out in this forum let's me know you are correct. I am not really alone. You are a sweetheart. Many people in here are, as well.

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That sharp focused eye for detail. Yup, the extras in products people don't think about can definitely mess with the Px meds.@mrmik

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@ellesea01 And I have done research on just this one point of how plastic affects our wellbeing and how much of it is in the products we come in contact with. If I eat a frozen dinner, the plastic tray it is microwaved in will leach out a certain amount of plastic. And that is just one thing. I have started using toothpaste "pills" as they come in a glass container and are free of added chemicals. Also switched my deodorant. Diary of a C.E.O. is a great podcast to get good health advise.

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Profile picture for sidegate83 @sidegate83

@bunstuffer
Im an old nurse, 👵🏻 age 85. In the early years of my nursing career I worked at the large Mayo Clinic Hospital, St Mary’s in Rochester, Minnesota.The Med Room on the medical floor had several bottles of mostly Bourbon.
They were prescribed for patients to help with circulation. It’s seems very old fashioned now but there were no medications that were as effective then.

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@sidegate83 Now who would have thought that possible. But when you think about it though, alcohol is in many drugs, such as cough syrup. Makes sense. I know my grandmother used to keep a pitcher of the first Coca-Cola. Turns out, if you research it, it definitely had coke in it...as in the drug. She literally got hooked on it for a bit...ha

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Profile picture for heisenberg34 @heisenberg34

I thought that I might have long term Lyme's about two years ago. I had Lyme's back in 2009. Really had me in it's painful grasp. Finally got a script for the stuff they typically prescribe for it(the old brain is just not working that well anymore). Within half a day all the pain subsided. Then around 2013 or so, I had another tick bite. Got a single pill script as a preventative measure. I have experienced a lot of pain since my ski fall in 2016. Had all kinds of meds, SCS, pain pump, etc, to little avail. Now, I was retested about a year and a half ago. As expected, the presumptive test was positive, but the Western blot did not show enough bands to be considered positive for Lyme's. My PCP put me on a fourteen day script of DOXYCYCLINE! (There it is!).

My question is: anyone out there in a similar situation? Had Lyme's maybe onece or twice but never confirmed by bloodwork and still have associated pain? I know I am grasping at straws here, but I don't want to overlook any possibility. Thank you!

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@heisenberg34
My Lyme (diagnosed) was hard to get rid of but I followed the process described in this book (free on Amazon Kindle)
https://a.co/d/fQoBvCz
It took care of my Lyme and the Lyme in one of my old friends too.

He did it while on Doxycline and was cured in a few days.

But even after getting rid of the Boreliosis bacteria I was still suffering from the damages "after the war* because the Spirocettes work like Corkscrews and penetrate all parts of the body (after about 2 weeks your brain barrier as well.)

In other words I got screwed because it took about a year before I got rid of the bastards.

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Profile picture for heyjoe415 @heyjoe415

Hi Willow,

I'm surprised you haven't found an acupuncturist who your insurance will cover. I used to live in Nor Cal (Danville) and use the John Muir Hospital system. I'm sure you've heard of them. They may offer acupuncture or dry needling as part of their practice.

And yeah, if you find a Medicare-approved provider, they handle the paperwork. That's why I suggested Muir. And in my experience, Muir is an excellent healthcare provider.

All the best to you.

Joe

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@heyjoe415

I’m about an hour from John Muir. I may have found a place in Santa Rosa, through Sutter, which is a lot closer than John Muir. Thanks for the info!
Margie

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Profile picture for heyjoe415 @heyjoe415

Interesting, thanks. Alcohol is out for me as I've been sober for 14 plus years now.

One thing I tried recently, just for fun while on a cruise, is acupuncture. I was treated for my upper and lower back.

My back is very stiff in the am and takes a while to loosen up. After my first acupuncture treatment, my entire back was relaxed, and I woke up without any lower back stiffness.

I'm going to keep doing acupuncture. Medicare Part B covers 12-20 treatments/year for the lower back, although I plan on doing more.

Joe

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Hey Joe, glad to hear acupuncture helped you. I do that too re get the most benefit i can from the medical plan & depending on funds keep taking treatments that do or might help. It couldn't relieve my situation but i really like it & sleep a bit better the evening of treatment. Good for you & yaye re the Cruise. NICE one.@heyjoe415

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@ellesea01 Does Gap come in a time release form? Would that help if you decide to take a smaller dose?

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Hi there, is that your question re Gap? I sometimes
Can't tell who's asking and/or replying to who unless it's super obvious. Nor to type before or after the @whoever. Anyway to whoever asked, I'm not the Medical Professional for the question. Hope the answer needed will be found. All the best @nannybb

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@ellesea01 Thank you so much ❣️ Your words of encouragement really helped. I moved from Fl. to Oregon to be near family close to the time of covid. I thankfully found work as an essential, so I was pretty much guaranteed an income. I have been floating along until this cancer diagnosis and operation. My son has started seeing how I need help, but he has his own family and work schedule. I am moving away from the toxic person I mentioned. When I can get a handle on the pain and get moved and back to working, I know much of my anxiety will lessen. As I posted somewhere before, I could have had a nurse advocating for me if I had gone the way of chemical treatments. Because I chose surgery, I was pretty much on my own. It has helped tremendously to be a part of this forum. My getting a second opinion from a NETs specialist was due to advise in here. I know many have much more grave problems in treatments than myself. That's another good thing about this site. You can have the ability to look outside of your situation and be an encouragement for another...just like you did for me. Again, thank you. One day at a time. 🙏

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Thanks for adding a bit more color to this tapestry or word art we all contribute to here. That's a lot of disruption in multiple overlapping areas in your life
during that Global Cove timeframe till now. No doubt you'd be feeling let's say 'all of that'. Who the heck wouldnt? I agree that getting back to working is a real advantage in many ways. Until that happy day arrives it's healing time now. Getting stronger in all those areas that need it, that's enuf work for now. May be slow, & so what I say. I hope you chk in here regularly as you continue to adjust. On another note, was wondering how your name nanny bb came to be? No need to respond. It's a great name.
@nannybb

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Profile picture for nannybb @nannybb

@ellesea01 My name came about from being a professional nanny for 25 + years . First it was Nana, then Nanny B. One day, two of my children (twins) asked what my maiden name was. It begins with a B as well. So they started calling me Nanny BB, and it stuck. The "children" are now in college. Whew.
I have carcinoid tumors. I was operated on, and then told I have more in both lungs post-op. It is the pain from the operation that I am dealing with now. Going for the second opinion has me thankful and a bit anxious at the same time. Being able to reach out in this forum let's me know you are correct. I am not really alone. You are a sweetheart. Many people in here are, as well.

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What a fun story that is. There often is, partly why I asked. I had thought might be an actual nanny and/or actual name is Nan. Kids are such Brite lites.
Gotta luv em. I am not very familiar with the condition you mentioned other than it would be daunting. Hope the surgery pain ends soon. Be interesting what you find out re next steps. We're here & people care. You are absolutely correct, We're not alone. With ya in spirit for sure & here
too. Cheerio for now.

@nannybb

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Profile picture for nannybb @nannybb

@ellesea01 And I have done research on just this one point of how plastic affects our wellbeing and how much of it is in the products we come in contact with. If I eat a frozen dinner, the plastic tray it is microwaved in will leach out a certain amount of plastic. And that is just one thing. I have started using toothpaste "pills" as they come in a glass container and are free of added chemicals. Also switched my deodorant. Diary of a C.E.O. is a great podcast to get good health advise.

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Excellent. Doing all that stuff is very good. In general, we should all be living as clean as we can.
The less fake product inside or on us the better. Good on you. 💯 % withya on this subject. Thx 4 the link.@nannybb

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