All pain gone after one "test"

Posted by mrmik @mrmik, Nov 9 12:20am

Woke up for the first time in years WITHOUT PAIN
My friend has always told me, "If you wake up one day without pain, you know you for sure you're dead!"
Fortunately it was not true.

I have suffered from Chronic pain in my lower back for the last 6 years which started after I was diagnosed with Lyme disease. Initially, Steroid injections in the back helped.
After a few years, the injections eventually stopped working after a few months.
Then I was treated with RFA (Radio Frequency Ablation of the Medial Nerve)First with a hot needle (90 deg C) in 2 locations which lasted for 2 months.
Secondly with a cold needle (60 deg C) in 8 locations. But now the pain changed to a burning sensation "in a wide belt" inside my lower back for 4 months.
After that I have been in pain constantly with varying intensity plus feeling inflammation in all parts of my body.
Therefore I have been "treating" myself using finely ground Turmeric, Cinnamon, Ginger, Vanilla, black pepper and honey as a thick slurry. Taken as a tablespoon every evening before bedtime as it is supposed to be good against inflammation. I have felt some relief but nothing significant.

NOW
As a Chemical Engineer I started looking at the nature of inflammation and compared it to the active ingredients in my cocktail. And it turned out that it should work.

HOWEVER
Without getting too technical, the inflamed areas were in zones of a fatty nature which are hydrophobic (repels water - like water droplets on a goose)
At the same time, the active ingredients in my cocktail (except for honey) are also hydrophobic.
SO the cocktail had little effect because they were not properly dissolved and released as the stomach fluids are the opposite of hydrophobic = hydrophilic.
In other words the active ingredients went down the toilet.

Alcohol
It turned out that the active ingredients in my cocktail powders would easily dissolve in Alcohol.

So to make a long story short
I dissolved one teaspoon of each spice (but only a 1/8 teaspoon of black pepper) with a table spoon of honey in a double shot of Rum.
Stirred it for some minutes and enjoyed it.
The next morning; I WAS PAIN FREE!
I was laying in bed looking up at the ceiling enjoying every minute of it.
After going for a swim in the afternoon, I began to feel slight pain or rather tension but only 10% of usual.

The day after (at the time of this writing) I have only minimum pain, or rather a tension in my back.
I realize my test only represents one datapoint, but it is a good start with an unbelievable outcome.

MY NEXT APPROACH
I have already made a bottle of slurry (same ingredients) but using only enough alcohol to make it flow like a thick slurry for the purpose of limiting the alcohol intake.
I plan to take one tablespoon of slurry in the evening before bedtime.

DISCLOSURE
I am 6 feet, 216 lbs. and enjoyed not only one but 3 cocktails that evening. So the medical term could suggest I was under anesthesia when I went to bed (in leigh man terms: DRUNK)
I am not suggesting anyone do as I have done, and also check the side effects of the spices in the cocktail.

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@heyjoe415
Wow, I hope someone out there can get relief like you did with acupuncture.

I did try it half a year ago but didn't notice any improvement, unfortunately.

I'm reasonably sure mine is inflammation occurring after nerve damage throughout my body from Lyme disease.

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Thank you mrmik, and I'm so sorry to hear that you have Lyme disease, and some of the very strange and nasty effects of that disease.

Since I sent the message, I have learned that dry needling may be more effective than acupuncture at relieving specific muscle tension. I'm going to try that, and treatments for the lower back are covered by my Medicare Advantage plan (12-20 sessions/calendar year).

I'm not sure if this would help with the nerve damage and inflammation you describe. Inflammation is nasty stuff and we all have it to some degree. It's certainly worth checking out. (I have osteoarthritis and have had four joints replaced. But the arthritis is in every joint and causes inflammation. I try to get to the gym everyday and maintain normal weight. I did cut way down on sugar and that helped ease inflammation a bit. I didn't even know sugar caused inflammation, but it does.)

I truly hope you get some relief from the pain you're experiencing.

Joe

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@heyjoe415
Great news! Did you find an acupuncturist who takes Medicare? I did it last year, filled out the Medicare forms, sent in for reimbursement. Got nothing back rom Medicare. Gosh, since it cover 12 to 20 treatments a year, doing it monthly over a year, plus a bit more could give a year of relief. Think I’ll try and find a person in northern california who takes medicare where I don’t have to submit the forms myself and wait for no payment back from Medicare

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Hi Willow,

I'm surprised you haven't found an acupuncturist who your insurance will cover. I used to live in Nor Cal (Danville) and use the John Muir Hospital system. I'm sure you've heard of them. They may offer acupuncture or dry needling as part of their practice.

And yeah, if you find a Medicare-approved provider, they handle the paperwork. That's why I suggested Muir. And in my experience, Muir is an excellent healthcare provider.

All the best to you.

Joe

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Hi Willow,

I'm surprised you haven't found an acupuncturist who your insurance will cover. I used to live in Nor Cal (Danville) and use the John Muir Hospital system. I'm sure you've heard of them. They may offer acupuncture or dry needling as part of their practice.

And yeah, if you find a Medicare-approved provider, they handle the paperwork. That's why I suggested Muir. And in my experience, Muir is an excellent healthcare provider.

All the best to you.

Joe

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@heyjoe415

Thank you for your insight, I am very aware of the effects of sugar and has stayed away from it the best I can.
I do however eat a lot of fresh fruit. But I don't know if the sugars contributed to the inflammation.

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@heyjoe415

Thank you for your insight, I am very aware of the effects of sugar and has stayed away from it the best I can.
I do however eat a lot of fresh fruit. But I don't know if the sugars contributed to the inflammation.

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Hi mrmik, and thanks for your reply.

I wasn't aware of the effects on inflammation from sugar until only 4 or 5 years ago. I did research it, and it's a complicated process involving bacteria, but the end result is the same - consume sugar, increase bodily inflammation.

I fast for 16 hours each day, and when I first eat at about 1pm, I have a plate full of fresh fruit. I'm not as concerned about the sugar in fruit as I am the sugar in the Coke I love. It is east to digest and it's always best to eat fruit before proteins or carbohydrates.

I follow that up with a protein bar, a good (not sugary) bran muffin, and treat myself to a cookie. Dinners are nothing special, but we do eat pretty well.

I started the 16-hour fast by accident. We usually finish dinner around 7:30pm. When I get up, I have two cups of black coffee and then head to the gym. I spin 5x/week for cardio health and do resistance training 2 or 3 times/week. I get home around 1:30 or 2pm and that's when I first eat.

I think the daily fasting helps to cut down on inflammation. Again I stumbled into it and then found it's a good way to lose/maintain weight and clean out the body.

Is there anything that can be done to treat your Lyme Disease? I grew up in urban WI (Milwaukee) and we didn't worry much about tics. Lyme disease is clearly a very serious condition. I wish you all the best in fighting and overcoming it.

Joe

And keep up the good work staying away from sugar (within reason!).

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I thought that I might have long term Lyme's about two years ago. I had Lyme's back in 2009. Really had me in it's painful grasp. Finally got a script for the stuff they typically prescribe for it(the old brain is just not working that well anymore). Within half a day all the pain subsided. Then around 2013 or so, I had another tick bite. Got a single pill script as a preventative measure. I have experienced a lot of pain since my ski fall in 2016. Had all kinds of meds, SCS, pain pump, etc, to little avail. Now, I was retested about a year and a half ago. As expected, the presumptive test was positive, but the Western blot did not show enough bands to be considered positive for Lyme's. My PCP put me on a fourteen day script of DOXYCYCLINE! (There it is!).

My question is: anyone out there in a similar situation? Had Lyme's maybe onece or twice but never confirmed by bloodwork and still have associated pain? I know I am grasping at straws here, but I don't want to overlook any possibility. Thank you!

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I realizebthat & it's really hard to navigate these treacherous painful times. I also try keeping as low as possible. And less types@heisenberg34

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@ellesea01 Does Gap come in a time release form? Would that help if you decide to take a smaller dose?

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Yes And sadly, often lack thereof the last one@mrmik

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@ellesea01 It can really be a very sad experience if you are having to go through any health crisis alone. Someone literally yelled at me the other day to get counseling and friends...like you can just randomly walk up to strangers and ask "wanna be my friend"? I've never had a problem making friends before, but people can steer clear of you if they see you are having a bad day. They tend to not want their own life to be disturbed. One day they may see how pain and fear can affect your everyday life without you being able to rise above it.

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@ellesea01 It can really be a very sad experience if you are having to go through any health crisis alone. Someone literally yelled at me the other day to get counseling and friends...like you can just randomly walk up to strangers and ask "wanna be my friend"? I've never had a problem making friends before, but people can steer clear of you if they see you are having a bad day. They tend to not want their own life to be disturbed. One day they may see how pain and fear can affect your everyday life without you being able to rise above it.

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Sheesh, sorry you got treated like that. What a thoughtless way to treat someone. Are there any pain buddy groups to join so someone can tag along with you to appointments? Maybe through pain clinics or? Any others here have some input? What area are you in? I'm with ya in spirit, sure don't want you to feel alone. We gotta do better & find some kind souls to take turns helping you out when you have to do hard stuff. Hang in there nannybb ❤️ 💙 💜 💖
@nannybb

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@ellesea01 It can really be a very sad experience if you are having to go through any health crisis alone. Someone literally yelled at me the other day to get counseling and friends...like you can just randomly walk up to strangers and ask "wanna be my friend"? I've never had a problem making friends before, but people can steer clear of you if they see you are having a bad day. They tend to not want their own life to be disturbed. One day they may see how pain and fear can affect your everyday life without you being able to rise above it.

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Me again, I wanted to ask you if you don’t mind, do you have a condition that's been diagnosed? Just w9ndering cause I do know how rotten it is when you're going through all types of time consuming appointments especially when you're hurting and not knowing what this heck is going on? I'm pretty sure It's no bagfull of cuddly kittens even if one knows. Yikes. Hope some really good stuff comes your way soon nannybb. Neat name luv how it sounds ... 💐 🌹 🌸 You are not alone...ever.
@nannybb

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Profile picture for ellesea01 @ellesea01

Sheesh, sorry you got treated like that. What a thoughtless way to treat someone. Are there any pain buddy groups to join so someone can tag along with you to appointments? Maybe through pain clinics or? Any others here have some input? What area are you in? I'm with ya in spirit, sure don't want you to feel alone. We gotta do better & find some kind souls to take turns helping you out when you have to do hard stuff. Hang in there nannybb ❤️ 💙 💜 💖
@nannybb

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@ellesea01 Thank you so much ❣️ Your words of encouragement really helped. I moved from Fl. to Oregon to be near family close to the time of covid. I thankfully found work as an essential, so I was pretty much guaranteed an income. I have been floating along until this cancer diagnosis and operation. My son has started seeing how I need help, but he has his own family and work schedule. I am moving away from the toxic person I mentioned. When I can get a handle on the pain and get moved and back to working, I know much of my anxiety will lessen. As I posted somewhere before, I could have had a nurse advocating for me if I had gone the way of chemical treatments. Because I chose surgery, I was pretty much on my own. It has helped tremendously to be a part of this forum. My getting a second opinion from a NETs specialist was due to advise in here. I know many have much more grave problems in treatments than myself. That's another good thing about this site. You can have the ability to look outside of your situation and be an encouragement for another...just like you did for me. Again, thank you. One day at a time. 🙏

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