7% Saline Solution

Posted by thumperguy @thumperguy, Tue, Jan 7 1:27pm

Got a supply of 7% vials and got a real jolt in my throat when I began inhaling it. However I quickly adapted to it and was able to finish the vial. Within a few minutes I was coughing and bringing stuff up – a first. I never had a timely response to 0.9. Bottom line: I guess the 7% solution is…well the real solution. Not to be confused with the Sherlock and Sigmund thing. Forgive my corny effort at mirth. Don

@lorifilipek

@windwalker Hi Terri, I had no idea how a ventilator worked when I wrote that. I thought maybe it pumped air/oxygen into the lungs, like through the tube used with a nebulizer. I just read more about ventilators and they're far more complicated and more controlled than that. Personally, I don't want to be on a ventilator because of the sometimes permanent and very damaging side effects. From what I've read only a small percentage of people on ventilators with Covid-19 survive and there are have recently been questions by some doctors about whether ventilators help or harm for Covid-19. At this point, I'd rather just take my chances with IV vitamin C (started early), oxygen, and proning. See, e.g., https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus.html

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@lorifilipek That was a very interesting. I had never heard of proning, but trust me, I have copied parts of that article and put them in a file in case I get this virus. Nan

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@windwalker

@anunez Hi there! Keep on trying to use the 7% saline. It helps to kill the mac. Don't do the whole vial at once if it irritates your lungs too much. They will need to build up a tolerance for it. Nebulize as to what is slightly uncomfortable for you. The object is to irritate the lungs enough to cause you to cough up gunk.

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@anunez our mentor, windwalker, gave some good advice regarding the 7%saline. My pulmonologist started me on it as soon as I was diagnosed so I don’t know anything different, but gradually increasing what you can I think is a really good idea. Although each case is different, I have been fortunate in not contracting MAC/NTM yet (was diagnosed in 2017).

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@lorifilipek

@windwalker Hi Terri, I had no idea how a ventilator worked when I wrote that. I thought maybe it pumped air/oxygen into the lungs, like through the tube used with a nebulizer. I just read more about ventilators and they're far more complicated and more controlled than that. Personally, I don't want to be on a ventilator because of the sometimes permanent and very damaging side effects. From what I've read only a small percentage of people on ventilators with Covid-19 survive and there are have recently been questions by some doctors about whether ventilators help or harm for Covid-19. At this point, I'd rather just take my chances with IV vitamin C (started early), oxygen, and proning. See, e.g., https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus.html

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@lorifilipek Very interesting – my daughter is in a Midwestern ER, and the docs there, by their protocol, have always resisted using vents as long as possible because of all the downside issues. She said they are taking the same approach with Covid-19, but because she is in ER, not ICU, doesn't know about the "proning."

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Here is a link for those who like scientific data. This has charts about what salinity % kills various organians. It is slightly different from a previous article I had posted. This is a good one to print and give to drs who may not be familiar with saline therapy. https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2931201-0

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@windwalker

Here is a link for those who like scientific data. This has charts about what salinity % kills various organians. It is slightly different from a previous article I had posted. This is a good one to print and give to drs who may not be familiar with saline therapy. https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2931201-0

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@windwalker Check your link…. On pandemic, not saline.

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@suenfl

I ask my Dr for saline and he said no! I am really upset. I tried the "Big 3" back in July 2017, right after my diagnosis. Took them for 3 1/2 months…too sick to take care of myself. I can't believe he would be unwilling to give me saline. He also said no to the vest. Other than coughing, usually productive, I have no symptoms. My oxygen stays 97%-98%. I am on no meds, except for medical cannabis. I did have a pseudomonis in Dec 2018, after having day surgery to have my gallbladder out. That was my last hospitalization. Can anyone send me links to research articles that I can show this Dr. He wants me to go back on Big 3…no way!

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I was able to buy 0.09 from Amazon w/o Rx. and although I prefer 7% a research report on this board recently indicated 0.09% is as good as higher concentrations. Depends on how upfront you feel you need to be with your reluctant doc.

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@thumperguy

I was able to buy 0.09 from Amazon w/o Rx. and although I prefer 7% a research report on this board recently indicated 0.09% is as good as higher concentrations. Depends on how upfront you feel you need to be with your reluctant doc.

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@thumperguy The report posted by @rits in Two Bits of Good News (https://cdn.prod-carehubs.net/n1/748e8fe697af5de8/uploads/2020/05/Hypertonic-Saline-versus-normal-saline-in-Bronchiectasis.pdf ) states 0.9% is as good as 6% to help clear mucus for people with bronchiectasis. It didn't deal with MAC. Only 7% saline has the potential to keep MAC under control because MAC can grow in lesser salinities.

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@lorifilipek

@thumperguy The report posted by @rits in Two Bits of Good News (https://cdn.prod-carehubs.net/n1/748e8fe697af5de8/uploads/2020/05/Hypertonic-Saline-versus-normal-saline-in-Bronchiectasis.pdf ) states 0.9% is as good as 6% to help clear mucus for people with bronchiectasis. It didn't deal with MAC. Only 7% saline has the potential to keep MAC under control because MAC can grow in lesser salinities.

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I agree 100%. Thanks for explaining it so well. Although, I am surprised that Thumper has gone back to .9% because he had such a difference in the amount he brought up when using 7%.

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@rits

I agree 100%. Thanks for explaining it so well. Although, I am surprised that Thumper has gone back to .9% because he had such a difference in the amount he brought up when using 7%.

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Rits,I think I was just making an observation. I haven't "gone back" to the weak stuff. I had stocked up on 0.09% before I discovered 7%. I use it on cotton pads to combat itchy eyes. I'm gettin' so old nothin' works right any more. But I'm stickin' with 7% for the lungs and so far as I know I can only get it by Rx.

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@thumperguy

Rits,I think I was just making an observation. I haven't "gone back" to the weak stuff. I had stocked up on 0.09% before I discovered 7%. I use it on cotton pads to combat itchy eyes. I'm gettin' so old nothin' works right any more. But I'm stickin' with 7% for the lungs and so far as I know I can only get it by Rx.

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Does the 9% on itchy eyes help? I have blepharitis (inflamed eyelids) and dry eye. The ophthalmologist said to use artificial tears and warm compresses. I"m going to try the 9%. Thanks!

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@rits

Does the 9% on itchy eyes help? I have blepharitis (inflamed eyelids) and dry eye. The ophthalmologist said to use artificial tears and warm compresses. I"m going to try the 9%. Thanks!

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Rits, I think you mean 0.9% NOT 9% Just wanted to be 100% sure. Bill

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@poodledoc

Rits, I think you mean 0.9% NOT 9% Just wanted to be 100% sure. Bill

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Oh no. Did I miss the decimal point? Shame!

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@rits

Does the 9% on itchy eyes help? I have blepharitis (inflamed eyelids) and dry eye. The ophthalmologist said to use artificial tears and warm compresses. I"m going to try the 9%. Thanks!

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Rits, My ophthalmologist suggested Hypochlor which is sprayed on a cotton patch and gently applied to the eyelid. Hypochlor is a saline solution which I think is essentially an eyelid cleaner/disinfectant. As it happened this occurred in the same time-frame when I was switching from 0.09 to 7% saline for Bronch/Mac resulting in me having quantity of unused 0.09. vials. So, thinks me, I'll just use my surplus 0.09 saline in lieu of the Hypochlor (saline) . I think the cost difference is minimal so going forward I'll decide which to use more based on convenience of purchase rather than significant cost difference. Since I can buy the vials from Amazon very conveniently I'll likely continue doing it that way. Nothing to do with lung problems I use artificial tears for dry eyes through the night time hours along with warm (hot) compressed too; mainly in the morning as a "wake-up" routine. Geez, wonder what I could accomplish if I didn't have all this stuff to worry about? LOL Don

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@thumperguy

Rits, My ophthalmologist suggested Hypochlor which is sprayed on a cotton patch and gently applied to the eyelid. Hypochlor is a saline solution which I think is essentially an eyelid cleaner/disinfectant. As it happened this occurred in the same time-frame when I was switching from 0.09 to 7% saline for Bronch/Mac resulting in me having quantity of unused 0.09. vials. So, thinks me, I'll just use my surplus 0.09 saline in lieu of the Hypochlor (saline) . I think the cost difference is minimal so going forward I'll decide which to use more based on convenience of purchase rather than significant cost difference. Since I can buy the vials from Amazon very conveniently I'll likely continue doing it that way. Nothing to do with lung problems I use artificial tears for dry eyes through the night time hours along with warm (hot) compressed too; mainly in the morning as a "wake-up" routine. Geez, wonder what I could accomplish if I didn't have all this stuff to worry about? LOL Don

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Thanks Don. This is more helpful than anything my ophthalmologist told me. Rita

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@lorifilipek

@thumperguy The report posted by @rits in Two Bits of Good News (https://cdn.prod-carehubs.net/n1/748e8fe697af5de8/uploads/2020/05/Hypertonic-Saline-versus-normal-saline-in-Bronchiectasis.pdf ) states 0.9% is as good as 6% to help clear mucus for people with bronchiectasis. It didn't deal with MAC. Only 7% saline has the potential to keep MAC under control because MAC can grow in lesser salinities.

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Good point.

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