4.5 Ascending Aorta - PCP recommends general cardiology

Posted by hah1 @hah1, Jul 3, 2025

I am 52 yr old with no lifestyle risks and just had a calcium heart CT (score 0) reveal a 4.5 ascending aorta dilation. My PCP recommended a general cardiologist, who has a 6 month waitlist. Based on what I’ve read, I was hoping to see a surgeon who specializes in aortic aneurysms and who would do genetic testing as well, but apparently there’s some gatekeeping happening here.

My child has Ehlers Danlos and several of my children have transverse venous stenosis (IIH) and when I look at my history it seems that I could have a connective tissue disorder. Ofc my PCP thinks that I am making up a connection where there is none, but I have a rare retina disorder that is vascular, have had a ganglion cyst, early gum recession, appendix abscess, neuroma on my foot, pre-ecclampmsia, airplane barotrauma, celiac and I have the MTHFR homozygous polymorphism.

1) Does anyone here have a similar history?
2) Do you have any tips for cutting through the gatekeeping and getting into the thoracic aortic surgeons?

Thanks.

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Profile picture for eawarl @eawarl

I was originally seeing a general cardiologist when diagnosed with an AAA, but through my own perseverance, I found a cardiologist that specializes in genetic heart issues (my 4.0cm AAA is most likely hereditary since my brother had an AAA and there are lots of deaths at young ages due to heart ailments in my father's family). The info and treatment has been like night and day between the general cardiologist and the genetic cardiologist. A subsequent scan found a dilation on my celiac artery which sent my anxiety into a tailspin worrying about other aneurysms and started a conversation with the genetic cardiologist about a possible connective tissue disorder. I have since had a brain scan and full abdominal scan to rule out other aneurysms. Thankfully I have insurance that does not require a referral to see a specialist so I was able to see the genetic cardiologist without a referral.

I have not seen a surgeon since my genetic cardiologist seems to have everything under control. He said he will want me to see a surgeon if/when my AAA is 4.5cm due to my family history and possible connective tissue disorder. My theory for not seeing a surgeon now is that I may not need surgery for may years, and if I see a surgeon now, there is no guarantee that the same surgeon will be practicing at an office in my insurance plan when I'm in need of surgery. Of course I will definitely continue seeing the genetic cardiologist on a regular basis.

In my humble, unprofessional opinion, you need to see someone ASAP who is highly knowledgable in genetic heart issues and connective tissue disorders.

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You say you have an AAA. But it sounds more like you have a TAA… AAA is for Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm..

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Profile picture for Teddy Elizabeth W @teddyebee

I agree strongly with @moonboy. I have a 4.3 cm descending thoracic aortic dilation with “pseudoaneurysmal outpouchings” and have thankfully not had a dissection. I was also diagnosed 12 years ago with a “non specific connective tissue disorder.” The cardiologist I thought I trusted back then told me I didn’t need to be scanned any more and that there was nothing else that could be done, so I should just go live my very active life and take my statins and if it ruptured, they would take care of it then! I was at 2.9 cm then and believed her. Last year before I started on a permanent RV journey across the US, I insisted my then cardiologist order a scan just for the heck of it. I had met my OOP deductible for the year so it didn’t cost me anything. Then she flipped out when she saw the results and sent me to a vascular surgeon, convinced I needed surgery immediately! Vascular surgeon in town thankfully has a lot of experience repairing aneurysms and said nope, no surgery and go live your life doing whatever you want but come back every 6 months for a CT. Second one, it had grown another couple of mms and he’s like yeahhh, you’ll probably need surgery one day. I’m like yeahhhh, I need to get myself to an aortic disease center.

All this is to say, you have to be extremely proactive and take charge with all the knowledge you can acquire until you can get into see an experienced vascular surgeon at an aortic disease center clinic. There are many now around the US as aortic disease research is slowing advancing (especially as boomers age, you see more cases and so more research and clinics popping up). I’m mainly in Florida, so I sent a msg from the web page form to both Mayo Clinic and University of Florida-Gainesville that also has a highly rated program. I see Dr. Tomas Martin there next week. Took a couple months to get the appointment but I’ve already had the genetic counseling appointment through the UF aortic disease clinic. Dr. Martin’s clinical coordinator took care of getting all my records which was awesome. And reiterating, most cardiologists have ZERO clue about aortic aneurysms. So you have to find one with experience and interest in aneurysms and vascular disease.

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Congratulations, you did the right things to finding the right doctor. It can be life and death situations. It is wise to find newer hospitals which will have new technologies equipment and newly trained high quality cardiovascular surgeon.
Tainan.

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Profile picture for moonboy @moonboy

I’m in Minneapolis sitting on the heat myself right now. Here’s what I know about the blood pressure thing, the only one I’ve ever found that I thought was useful was the Omron wrist cuff. You might wanna order that off Amazon and try it. I don’t really get too riled up about my blood pressure. I’m taking amlodipine, atorvastatin, and carvedilol in sufficient quantities to lower my blood pressure. At my last check up last week it was 118/74 so I’m pretty happy about that. What I’ve learned is that caffeine does not raise my blood pressure but sugar does. It’s odd to think that sugar raises your blood pressure, but it actually does. So I would definitely not be doing any sort of planking type exercises or anything involving deadlifts or anything more than 20 or 30 pounds. The goal is just to bring down the temperature in the room as it were. I Think that if you get in to see a thoracic surgeon you’re gonna have a really good clear picture of where you’re at physically and what their plan is for you.

In the meantime, you’re gonna be fine. It’s all good. I have survived for the last 10 years with an artificial aorta and I promise you this that you’re doing the right thing by staying on top of it. If there’s one piece of advice, I could give anyone who’s facing aortic issues. It’s this: do not take advice from anyone who isn’t a thoracic surgeon who repairs aortas or a person who has survived an aortic dissection. In a perfect world, you would have a thoracic surgeon who has survived his or her own aortic dissection! I really mean it.

There are a lot of medical people who have opinions about things that they really know nothing about because they’re expected to be smart and have opinions. i’m a lawyer, and I understand the phenomena of expecting that a lawyer will always have the right answer. Obviously, we don’t and neither do the doctors. You need to get in to see a thoracic aorta surgical specialist. They will take good care of you. Peace.

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Like @moonboy, I use an Omron. It sometimes takes off and squeezes my arm to the point of pain, but very infrequently and the pain is more annoying than driving me to do something about it. It doesn't seem to be tied to the actual pressure in any way. I'm not sure what's going on. I've been just enduring it rather than digging into why it might be happening. I had a different BP machine years ago that was much worse and caused strong pain more frequently. So anecdotally at least, it can be tied to the machine.

More importantly, I took my Omron to my doctor's office to calibrate it against their BP equipment. It was accurate. You could do that with your machine. I'd also bet they would be glad to give you a recommendation and to demonstrate how to use it. If it squeezes too hard, they may know why.

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Profile picture for rlhix @rlhix

If your child has Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, your PCP is off base on saying there is no connection.
Most primary care physicians and many general cardiologists are clueless about thoracic aortic aneurysms.

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Make an appt for a genetic test so they can pinpoint if you have EDS which it sure sounds like it! Our fam has many symptoms for Marfans but the test showed LOX defect positive for 3 of us. I went to a genetic counselor at Mayo. It will help to determine your care. 4.5 - 5.0 is criteria for surgery to replace the aorta. Mine is steady at 4.3 so just wait and see. Best to You, Janet

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