Extremely high calcium score at 42 - is there any positive here??

Posted by steveny @steveny, Jul 8, 2022

I'm a 42-year-old male. Exercise regularly, not overweight, non-smoker. While not overweight, I will say that my diet is crap -- way too much fast food, pizza etc. I guess I still eat like a high schooler.

Anyway, I saw a cardiologist figuring after age 40 this would be wise. He took bloodwork which was basically all fine. The cholesterol was *slightly* elevated and he recommended getting a heart calcium score. Told me he expected it would show nothing but that he just wanted to be thorough. Turns out the score came back at 397.

Obviously, this caught me totally flat-footed. I figured with my diet there might be some plaque, but this number places me in the 99.999th percentile for my age. And everything I have read online sound pretty dire about my long-term prognosis now -- that significant damage has been done, that it can't be reversed and can only get worse and that the statistical linkage between a number like this and heart attack-stroke is profound.

Weirdly, the cardiologist did not seem to be conveying any alarm when he told me the score, though. He was extremely matter of fact about it. Just said it was "very, very high" and that he would put me on a statin (which I've already started) and that I should take daily baby aspirin (doing that too). He said I should focus on improving diet and continue exercising (I already run 4-5x a week) but he was also pretty emphatic that "this must be genetic." (There is a history of heart problems on my father's side of the family -- though he is 76 and has yet to have any heart trouble himself.)

This was all a lot to get hit with at once. From the doctor's casual, matter of fact tone, I left the office a little confused, wondering if maybe this score wasn't that big of a deal and was a very manageable thing. Why else would the doctor not seem that disturbed by it? But then I started reading everything I could find on the subject and it's been pretty devastating.

Obviously, I'm ready, willing and able to implement the dietary changes, but for the score to be this bad at this young of an age (and with no smoking history, not being overweight, and doing regular exercise), it seems like I'm in serious trouble here. So upsetting to read that I can't bring this number down.

I guess I'm just posting this in the hopes that others here might have some experience and insight and be able to offer something, anything that is encouraging? When I read all of the medical material online about high CAC scores, am I missing something? This has all been playing out over the last 24 hours and I feel like I've basically just found out that I could drop dead of a heart attack at any moment and that my life expectancy has been drastically reduced with this news -- and that there's no way to get it back to normal. I now have a million questions for the cardiologist, but when I called his office today I was told he's just started his vacation and won't be back until August.

Any encouragement or practical advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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@steveny

That's a good tip on the veggie smoothies, thanks.

Would the fluffy, non-sticky type of cholesterol work against the plaques that I already have? Just curious what it's exact benefit is, or could be if I do have it, since I already know that I have such a high level of calcified plaque.

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I don't know if fluffy, non-sticky, large molecule cholesterol would have an effect on current players or not. But it's better to have more of it than not, as I understand. I have chronically high cholesterol and the genetic marker for some heart disaster or other but cardio profiles always label me as giving A (optimal) profile. My former cardiologist attributes that good luck to the proportion of non-sticky cholesterol my body seems to make.

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@callalloo

I don't know if fluffy, non-sticky, large molecule cholesterol would have an effect on current players or not. But it's better to have more of it than not, as I understand. I have chronically high cholesterol and the genetic marker for some heart disaster or other but cardio profiles always label me as giving A (optimal) profile. My former cardiologist attributes that good luck to the proportion of non-sticky cholesterol my body seems to make.

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Interesting. I'm going to ask about this at my appointment tomorrow. It is interesting to look at these different indicators of disease/risk calculators. I entered my data into the Framingham score calculator today and it gave me a 1.8% chance of an incident in the next 10 years. I then used the MESA calculator -- which includes the CAC score, unlike Framingham -- and got 7.2%. So a four-fold increase basically just from adding in that CAC score.

Just out of curiosity, are you saying high cholesterol is you're only measurable indicator? Have you scored 0 on the CAC test?

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@callalloo

I don't know if fluffy, non-sticky, large molecule cholesterol would have an effect on current players or not. But it's better to have more of it than not, as I understand. I have chronically high cholesterol and the genetic marker for some heart disaster or other but cardio profiles always label me as giving A (optimal) profile. My former cardiologist attributes that good luck to the proportion of non-sticky cholesterol my body seems to make.

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That should read "on current plaque"...

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@steveny

Interesting. I'm going to ask about this at my appointment tomorrow. It is interesting to look at these different indicators of disease/risk calculators. I entered my data into the Framingham score calculator today and it gave me a 1.8% chance of an incident in the next 10 years. I then used the MESA calculator -- which includes the CAC score, unlike Framingham -- and got 7.2%. So a four-fold increase basically just from adding in that CAC score.

Just out of curiosity, are you saying high cholesterol is you're only measurable indicator? Have you scored 0 on the CAC test?

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Well yes to the high cholesterol but also genetic marker for heart disease and a plethora of deceased relatives who died from heart and/or stroke. So not a good omen. But my recent CAC was five years ago with a score of 4. And, in an abundance of caution, I also had the Endopat test done and had a really good result on that.

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@steveny

I am going to pursue the stress test. I have an appointment with a second cardiologist tomorrow and it is one thing I will press on. One issue here is that my main cardiologist is off the next two weeks - I think I was literally his last patient before his vacation. So there's no stress test to be done in his office until he returns. And as I said, he did order a new CT scan, this time with dye contrast. My understanding is that this might even be better than a stress test in terms of revealing potential blockages/build-up? That test is set for the first week of August - when he is back.

Interesting to hear your description of your lifestyle. I think I'd describe mine similarly. No smoking, not a heavy drinker, have a long history of exercise, and not overweight; I think my diet has probably been worse than yours. But it does seem that genetics have to be heavily implicated here to get me to such a high score at such a young age. I can imagine someone without my genetic load scoring a 0 with my lifestyle. Really seems like this calcium score is the major dividing line between who is and isn't vulnerable to heart attacks and stroke; not that it can't happen to someone with a 0 score, just that it's *vastly* more likely in our group. Real luck of the draw element to this, I think, and we both drew lousy hands. (I saw one general population study that estimated that 93% of people at age 40 have CAC scores of 0; so even to get a 1 would have put me in a small minority. To be at 397....)

I did also want to share this from some UK research that I stumbled on yesterday. It apparently came out last summer and it's a little confusing, but it seems to raise the possibility that high CAC scores could be related in some way to higher levels of exercise. It raises some interesting potential questions. I can't apparently post the link here because this system doesn't allow URL's from new members. But if you google "
Exercise may contribute to narrowing of arteries, research suggests," I think you may find some articles about the study.

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A quick note re diet ... my wife and I have been married since age 22 ... we have a nearly identical diet. I probably have a bit more alcohol. She eats quite a bit more desserts than I. I used to run and work out far more prior to age 40.

She scored zero and I scored 1352 ... genetics.

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@mayoconnectuser1

A quick note re diet ... my wife and I have been married since age 22 ... we have a nearly identical diet. I probably have a bit more alcohol. She eats quite a bit more desserts than I. I used to run and work out far more prior to age 40.

She scored zero and I scored 1352 ... genetics.

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Yep to genetics. A male friend of mine was practically living on lettuce to get his cholesterol down to no avail.

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I too was shocked by my score ( 295) at 50 years of age. Statin & baby aspirin seem to be standard treatment . If you retest after being on a statin for a while expect to see a higher score as soft plaque stabilizes. The same goes for weight loss. Check out Dr. Ford Brewer online he has some information I found useful and helped settle me down. Use your score as motivation to live healthy and try not to stress . I know that it is easier said than done but the body is greatly harmed from stress. I take 5g rosuvastatin 3 times a week plus a baby aspirin daily. I am adding ezetimibe based on my cardiologists recommendation as my ldl has not reached his goal. However I believe that it also has a lot to due with inflammation not just ldl. ( I am not a doctor) That's why I chose rosuvastatin as my statin at such a low dose.

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An update: I saw the second cardiologist today. He was surprised my score was so high (397) at my age (42) — and especially when he looked at my full blood panel. Total cholesterol at 210, HDL (good) cholesterol is 88; LDL is 110; no diabetes or pre-diabetes; triglyceride level is 43; and CRP of 0.59.

He said he never would have expected someone with this profile to have a score anywhere near this. Gave me hope for a second that maybe, somehow there was an error with the test, but he reinforced that the calcium scan is extremely accurate and reliable.

I told him I was having trouble squaring the dire implications of everything I’ve read about a score like mine with my original cardiologist’s fairly casual attitude toward it. He told me the reality is probably in between my cardiologist’s attitude and my own.

Which means it’s serious. But also that it’s been there for a while; he said it’s probably been building in me for 10 years. Genetics obviously a heavy factor. His main points of emphasis going forward:
* Stress test scheduled for two weeks from now
* Agreed with first cardiologist putting me on Crestor. Said idea will be to smash my LDL below 70 and that if we need to add other drugs (zetia or PCSK-9 inhibitor maybe) into the mix eventually we will. But he was confident that by doing this we will decrease *soft* plaque and limit its future development. Said the calcified plaque will not go away and that the statin might even calcify some more existing plaque and raise my calcium score further.
* Emphasized diet - idea of largely sticking to non-starchy veggies, greens, low carb, some fish and chicken, but try to avoid cheese and cut out fried foods etc. I described what I’d been eating and he thought it was likely helping to push the calcium score up.

My concern is that even with my crappy diet, this calcium score number is crazily high. And it’s not like I have an equally high LDL number that would easily explain it. So I fear that lowering LDL maybe won’t do as much as he’s hoping. But what else can I do? Obviously trying to focus on transitioning to a very different diet. It will be a major adjustment for me, but if it’s what needs to be done I’ll do it.

Of course, that’s my other concern: How do we really know what is and isn’t working? The calcium score won’t be going down, and probably will be going up. I asked him what metrics we should be measuring going forward and he said LDL is the main one - he really believes smashing it under 70 will reverse soft plaques and stop new plaque formation, along with diet. I’m just not sure how this will be measured, again, given that statins will likely raise the calcium score.

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@statcac

I too was shocked by my score ( 295) at 50 years of age. Statin & baby aspirin seem to be standard treatment . If you retest after being on a statin for a while expect to see a higher score as soft plaque stabilizes. The same goes for weight loss. Check out Dr. Ford Brewer online he has some information I found useful and helped settle me down. Use your score as motivation to live healthy and try not to stress . I know that it is easier said than done but the body is greatly harmed from stress. I take 5g rosuvastatin 3 times a week plus a baby aspirin daily. I am adding ezetimibe based on my cardiologists recommendation as my ldl has not reached his goal. However I believe that it also has a lot to due with inflammation not just ldl. ( I am not a doctor) That's why I chose rosuvastatin as my statin at such a low dose.

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Before anyone starts taking statin a careful monitoring of blood pressure is a pre requisite if a person has a low blood pressure then it’s advisable not to take it as it’s side effect is hypotension and the patient can totally crash

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I think it is important to realize that a high CAC score may indicate problems beyond coronary considerations. When my cardiologist called me panicked by my over 1000 score the same afternoon that I had the test I thought I was doomed , especially after finding out that my risk of an MI was 20-25% per year. I'm still haer 4+ years later and am still largely asymptomatic. My LDL is only 48 and total cholesterol is 115 thanks to statins and ezetimibe.

However, if your coronary arteries are affected it is very possible that the same mechanism is having an impact on other systems. In my case I have bilateral carotid blockages (not yet to the level that needs intervention, last scan only 39%). My major problem is cerebral microvascular ischemia. The same plaque that is clogging my coronary arteries is slowing killing my brain. Numerous head MRI's show hyperintensities where vessels are are being blocked with brain cell death, as well as multiple lacunar strokes. These were found after TMI's and other neurological issues.

I would encourage anyone with high CAC to be vigilant and aware of these other risks, as well as PAD (which thankfully I don't have!) At least in the case of carotid stenosis there are surgical interventions which can address the problems. Unfortunately, at this time there is no way to roto-root your brain so I just have to live with my white matter disease.

I am 65 and was diagnosed at 61. At least I'm still posting, dead men don't post.

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