Grover's Disease: What works to help find relief?

Posted by 43219876x @43219876x, Sep 23, 2016

I have been diagnosed with Grover's disease under my breasts. I had a biopsy for diagnosis. Tried topical ointment with no really good results. Any ideas?

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@gardeningjunkie

Sometimes doctors are simply grasping because in truth they know nothing that can help with GD. I wrote up our successes with cilantro and gave it to 2 derms. One was completely uninterested and the other said he would pass it along to other GD patients. I have a friend who goes to the derm who said he would pass it along and he never suggested it to her. If they don't read about it in a medical journal it's simply hearsay to them. Both doctors could see my results but probably figured I was in a dormant period.
You have a common reaction to like most of us with GD. I could even feel my collagen impared skin on my upper back start to raise up bumps when I got hot. It's like our skin is just waiting to explode and on the already errupted areas sweat would cause stinging. I was prescribed ever product mentioned in our blog: Clobetasol, Calcipotriene, steroid shots, steroid topicals, px anti-bacterial washes and had all sorts of OTC anti-itch creams or lotions like Sarna recommended and nothing helped. I do correct that, one derm told me to try Flanax (capsacian- hot chili extract) which I would apply at bedtime, avoiding facial contact to help with itching. After my shower I would use a disposable vinyl glove to apply and remove from the bottle with a Q-tip. If you inadvertently touch your eyes it would burn them. It would burn fiercely on the rash areas for 30 sec, surprisingly the burn was a relief from the itching and pain and then the burn would leave I would get about 30 minutes of itch/pain reduction which gave me time to settle in bed and fall asleep. I think it confused our nerves. I trained myself to sleep only on my side and never move in my sleep. My sides were always clear (no sun exposure?). Moving around in bed would set off the itching and pain to higher levels.
I've never read that not washing with soap helps GD. However what soap you use is important for many reasons. I have 2 other forms of eczema, besides GD. Many of my ACD issues were related to ingredients in most soaps and detergents. All 3 of my forms are in remission right now.
Never assume you only have GD. You could also have Allergic Contact Dermatitis, ACD. Many with eczema have multiple types. I've learned a lot about what we commonly put on our bodies not knowing how toxic the ingredients are and how over time our bodies loose their ability to tolerate them and thus raise up our histamine armies in the attempt to rid ourselves of what they believe is poison. Just like GD is tied to heavy metal poisoning or overloading. That is why the cilantro is helping some of this. Do a GD and heavy metal search. Heavy metals are being tied to Parkinson's and also Alzheimer's. With eczema histamines raise our inflammation levels. Just because a bar soap says it is safe or for sensitive skin means nothing- read all the the ingredients, active and inactive.
You should wash with soap like our ancestors did hundreds of years ago before we started contaminating our grooming products to lather more and smell better. Get a soap made from natural ingredients which are moisturizing. The fewer the ingredients the better. Many use Dove for sensitive skin, I used that for years and was allergic to it! Get a pure soap made the old fashioned way. I can buy a locally made soap which is simply lard and glycerin and is inexpensive. A commercially available one sold on Amazon and a Mayo Skin Safe approved product is Grandma's, a bar soap which is made from lard and lye. The soap building process turns the lye into glycerin. Both lard and glycerin are moisturizing. Until I found shampoos safe for me I even used Grandma's to wash my hair. It does leave the hair heavy feeling, but at least it was clean and it stopped the itching. Also Kiss My Face unscented olive oil soap is wonderful, simply olive oil and salt. It lathers better then Grandma's. It may be unscented but it does have an olive oil scent which when first removed from the wrapper is strong, but fades in time so I leave it unwrapped for a a week or more before use. It is extremely good at both cleaning and moisturizing. Today some liquid hand and body soaps are free of the preservatives that trigger my eczema, that said, most contain preservatives so based on my past experiences I avoid them.
I'm glad to see new members following this blog. We are real people, many of us blogging on this site seeking answers since our doctors weren't any help then we learned about cilantro from Kimass1 so we followed each others progress in experimenting with cilantro. I only do this now to encourage other's to try it, the results for me were amazing. Hope is all we have at times.

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What does the doctor do to diagnose you. I believe I have Grovers.

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@mburg2

What does the doctor do to diagnose you. I believe I have Grovers.

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@mburg2 - I think the doctor takes a small biopsy of your skin in the affected area. Here's what the National Organization for Rare Disorders says - "Grover's disease is a rare, transient skin disorder that consists of small, firm, raised red lesions, most often on the skin of the chest and back. Diagnosis of this disorder becomes apparent under microscopic examination when the loss of the “cement” that holds the skin cells together is observed." -- Grover's Disease: https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/grovers-disease/

Have you discussed it with your doctor?

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Yes. He mentioned Grovers as a last thought when I went to him twice about extremely itchy skin on my back with a few little dots. He said he could not diagnose at that time because it had cleared up by the time I went. He also said that mostly men get diagnosed with Grovers. My back is now itchy for a third time but just a few dots. I can’t imagine the itch you all feel with a large amount of dots.

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Biopsy's aren't accurate if you are in remission or if your symptom's are going dormant, My biopsy was negative and my symptom's were classic GD.
I believe much of the information about GD is outdated. I know of 2 other women with GD personally and no men that have it. Women from my area are outdoors and in the sun from an early age and I do believe sun exposure can be a cause. I also find it hard to believe that GD is rare. There are certainly lots of folks blogging about it on this site and others.
I think many are undiagnosed and live with it for years like I did. For 4 years I was told I had heat rash or it was a different form of eczema. I went to 3 different derms before one took one look and identified it immediately.
Glad your are at this site. If your symptom's worsen or return (most of us go through cycles) read this blog from mid Feb 2019 and pay attention to the Kimass1 posting. Because of her research many, like myself, are free of GD today. So little is know about GD no doctor was able to prescribe any treatment to help. I've been clear for almost 2 years now.

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Thus far, I’ve been applying 40% zinc oxide both morning and night, as well as incorporating a half bunch of cilantro into my smoothies as instructed. I had to tweak my smoothie recipe a bit and use a more potent juice, or else the cilantro overpowers everything and it tastes like I’m just drinking salsa.

I found out very quickly why there are people who claim the zinc oxide cleared their GD “overnight.” It’s very difficult to remove. Not sure if 20% would be easier, but I went with maximum strength in hopes that it’ll be most effective.

I had to abandon my “no soap” theory. Heck, even after soaping up, there’s usually still some residue leftover. It masks a lot of the redness, which I’m sure can understandably be misleading. However, despite this, I do feel like I’m seeing a slow improvement since starting several days ago. Whether it’s the cilantro or the zinc, I’m not entirely sure. The zinc definitely isn’t something I’d want to use forever, but am totally fine with using it regularly for the next few months. While it doesn’t completely kill the sweating and heat, it does help keep things under control - especially at night since I sleep on my stomach.

My very first scab that surfaced seems to be shrinking, but clearly am not quite confident enough yet to say that the GD is in remission. I do have high hopes though and will post after one month 🙂

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@mburg2

What does the doctor do to diagnose you. I believe I have Grovers.

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I had a “punch biopsy”.

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@gardeningjunkie

Biopsy's aren't accurate if you are in remission or if your symptom's are going dormant, My biopsy was negative and my symptom's were classic GD.
I believe much of the information about GD is outdated. I know of 2 other women with GD personally and no men that have it. Women from my area are outdoors and in the sun from an early age and I do believe sun exposure can be a cause. I also find it hard to believe that GD is rare. There are certainly lots of folks blogging about it on this site and others.
I think many are undiagnosed and live with it for years like I did. For 4 years I was told I had heat rash or it was a different form of eczema. I went to 3 different derms before one took one look and identified it immediately.
Glad your are at this site. If your symptom's worsen or return (most of us go through cycles) read this blog from mid Feb 2019 and pay attention to the Kimass1 posting. Because of her research many, like myself, are free of GD today. So little is know about GD no doctor was able to prescribe any treatment to help. I've been clear for almost 2 years now.

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You continue to amaze me. You have my utmost respect. You are a gift to all those who suffer.

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@gardeningjunkie

Biopsy's aren't accurate if you are in remission or if your symptom's are going dormant, My biopsy was negative and my symptom's were classic GD.
I believe much of the information about GD is outdated. I know of 2 other women with GD personally and no men that have it. Women from my area are outdoors and in the sun from an early age and I do believe sun exposure can be a cause. I also find it hard to believe that GD is rare. There are certainly lots of folks blogging about it on this site and others.
I think many are undiagnosed and live with it for years like I did. For 4 years I was told I had heat rash or it was a different form of eczema. I went to 3 different derms before one took one look and identified it immediately.
Glad your are at this site. If your symptom's worsen or return (most of us go through cycles) read this blog from mid Feb 2019 and pay attention to the Kimass1 posting. Because of her research many, like myself, are free of GD today. So little is know about GD no doctor was able to prescribe any treatment to help. I've been clear for almost 2 years now.

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Spot on. (No pun intended, Lol).
Fortunately my GP who recognised the symptoms early and followed up with a biopsy to confirm, also believes that GD is not as rare as is generally mentioned in some quarters.
The Dermatologist I was referred to had, in my opinion, very little understanding of GD and I left with the usual prescription for Corticosteroid cream and a bunch of antihistamines which my Pharmacist could have prescribed.

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@billjim651

Spot on. (No pun intended, Lol).
Fortunately my GP who recognised the symptoms early and followed up with a biopsy to confirm, also believes that GD is not as rare as is generally mentioned in some quarters.
The Dermatologist I was referred to had, in my opinion, very little understanding of GD and I left with the usual prescription for Corticosteroid cream and a bunch of antihistamines which my Pharmacist could have prescribed.

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Very funny comment. At least you found a dermatologist that could even recognize it, may of us are simply told it is eczema and not given a specific name of our type. Giving it a name is a must for you to research and study. None of the doctors help us because there are no know treatments that help most of us. I say that a few say steroids help, but not so in my case. Plus steroids are simply a treatment which is temporary with side effects if used long term and not a solution. I was so hopeful with every prescription for topicals given me and was diligent in application and none of them helped me. My GD had a regular cyclical pattern after my first outbreak of 1 year so at least I got a break with my 6 months active and 6 months dormant. The scabs didn't all fall off even with 6 months of dormancy, but the itching and pain were lessened.

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@gardeningjunkie

Biopsy's aren't accurate if you are in remission or if your symptom's are going dormant, My biopsy was negative and my symptom's were classic GD.
I believe much of the information about GD is outdated. I know of 2 other women with GD personally and no men that have it. Women from my area are outdoors and in the sun from an early age and I do believe sun exposure can be a cause. I also find it hard to believe that GD is rare. There are certainly lots of folks blogging about it on this site and others.
I think many are undiagnosed and live with it for years like I did. For 4 years I was told I had heat rash or it was a different form of eczema. I went to 3 different derms before one took one look and identified it immediately.
Glad your are at this site. If your symptom's worsen or return (most of us go through cycles) read this blog from mid Feb 2019 and pay attention to the Kimass1 posting. Because of her research many, like myself, are free of GD today. So little is know about GD no doctor was able to prescribe any treatment to help. I've been clear for almost 2 years now.

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So far as I can tell after a brief search, and assuming everyone is seeing the pages on this forum the same way I do, @kimass1 first appears on page 10 on February 27th of 2019 if people like me who just joined the conversation recently wish to go back and read her posts. I certainly will when I have a bit more time. Thanks again, @gardeningjunkie !

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