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Less vaccine protection leading to a false sense of security

Posted by bosco17 @bosco17, Mar 21, 2021

If Im immunocompromised its obvious that I wont get the same protection. Could this lead to a false sense of protection leading to Covid infection??

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Merry, Alumni Mentor | @merpreb | Mar 22, 2021

@bosco17- GOod morning. I think that there might be two things going on that are contributing to a sense of protection. I need to know what you mean by less vaccine protection. Are you referring to having a smaller dose of a vaccine or that the protection is less than promised or that there are fewer people who have protection?

Protocols that have led to available vaccines have not claimed 100% protection, for anyone! And since many people react to the vaccines so differently that at this early stage in studies, and research there just hasn't been enough time to study what antibody studies really mean for each person. When antibodies are found it might mean that a person was infected with SARS-CoV-2 and their body’s immune system responded to the virus at some point in the past. People develop antibodies when their body’s immune system responds to an infection. These antibodies can be found in the blood of people previously infected whether or not they had signs or symptoms of illness.

When antibody tests fall short (https://www.path.org/articles/what-can-covid-19-antibody-tests-really-tell-us/)

Antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 infection may give some degree of protection against COVID-19. But scientists cannot yet confirm how strong the protection may be or how long it may last. Adding to the uncertainty—some early point-of-care antibody tests delivered a high number of false positives, mistakenly signaling that people had been infected when in fact they had not been infected.

Because there are still many unknowns, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cautions against using antibody tests to guide important decisions about when people can return to work, school, church, or other gathering spots, or even if you get the virus or not.

That’s disappointing news for those who hoped the antibody tests might point the way to safe reopening.

This present administration has been very transparent about information regarding COIVD-19 and present vaccines. I don't know about you but this sure does make me feel protected- that we know things that are happening, more statistics, and relying on science to lead us. Not everything is known. Research and trials are still going on and I presume that they will for years to come. I think that any sense of false protection does not come from science, trials, or tests, but from influences around us. This false sense of protection could also be hope in disguise.

I'd like to ask you if you have a sense of false protection?

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luckonetj | @luckonetj | Mar 22, 2021
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@bosco17 I think if people are aware that the protection the vaccine is giving them is less due to their being on immunosuppressants then they hopefully will not get a false sense of protection. It's important that immunocompromised people are aware of that. I plan to have an antibody test myself. The study results released by Johns Hopkins at this point are after one shot. I had my second shot over a month ago so I am hoping that my response has improved over what they saw in the study after the first shot.

I think the bigger danger lies in them seeing others finally able to do more and then they too will follow along. I am dealing with that myself right now. It's very discouraging but from what I have heard, for us to be somewhat safe we need to wait until more people are vaccinated, preferably until we reach "herd immunity", if that is possible. Hopefully, those who have vaccine hesitancy will finally realize that they don't need to be concerned and choose to get a vaccine, protecting themselves and contributing to protecting others.

Here is a link to an article about some of the myths surrounding the vaccine for those who have "vaccine hesitancy" for whatever reasons. I think it really explains the inaccuracy of these myths that have been propagated by a small group of people for whatever reason. I put this in another response a day or two ago in a conversation about the vaccine. I think it answers pretty much all of the questions and concerns that people have.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-coronavirus-vaccines/2021/03/19/0f186f8e-881f-11eb-82bc-e58213caa38e_story.html
Have you gotten the vaccine yet?
JK

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The question should be how does the integration of the two drugs effect you. I read a study yesterday by A transplant peer review journal that seems to suggest that some anti rejection drugs my lessen the severity of covid 19 in transplant patients. 3 out of 8 in the study in Switzerland. The two that were left on anti rejection drugs faired well while the other 5 transplant covid patients were chronic or deceased. That led the doctors to think there is a therapeutic use for the drugs

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luckonetj | @luckonetj | Mar 22, 2021
In reply to @contentandwell "@bosco17 I think if people are aware that the protection the vaccine is giving them is..." + (show)
@contentandwell

@bosco17 I think if people are aware that the protection the vaccine is giving them is less due to their being on immunosuppressants then they hopefully will not get a false sense of protection. It's important that immunocompromised people are aware of that. I plan to have an antibody test myself. The study results released by Johns Hopkins at this point are after one shot. I had my second shot over a month ago so I am hoping that my response has improved over what they saw in the study after the first shot.

I think the bigger danger lies in them seeing others finally able to do more and then they too will follow along. I am dealing with that myself right now. It's very discouraging but from what I have heard, for us to be somewhat safe we need to wait until more people are vaccinated, preferably until we reach "herd immunity", if that is possible. Hopefully, those who have vaccine hesitancy will finally realize that they don't need to be concerned and choose to get a vaccine, protecting themselves and contributing to protecting others.

Here is a link to an article about some of the myths surrounding the vaccine for those who have "vaccine hesitancy" for whatever reasons. I think it really explains the inaccuracy of these myths that have been propagated by a small group of people for whatever reason. I put this in another response a day or two ago in a conversation about the vaccine. I think it answers pretty much all of the questions and concerns that people have.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-coronavirus-vaccines/2021/03/19/0f186f8e-881f-11eb-82bc-e58213caa38e_story.html
Have you gotten the vaccine yet?
JK

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CUT and pasted from Journal of Ametican Nephralogy.scholarly review medical journal. " Firstly, it is known that a number of viruses use active immunophilin pathways during their life cycle, and that CNIs may inhibit viral replication in vitro.9,10 Cyclosporine, for example, has been shown to inhibit the replication of several coronaviruses in vitro at noncytotoxic concentrations and independently of its immunosuppressive effect.10,11".

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luckonetj | @luckonetj | Mar 22, 2021

The current data shows that anti rejection drugs work in conjunction with vaccines to fight viruses. I personally would stay on Tacrolimus if I contacted Covid.

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Rosemary, Volunteer Mentor | @rosemarya | Mar 22, 2021
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The current data shows that anti rejection drugs work in conjunction with vaccines to fight viruses. I personally would stay on Tacrolimus if I contacted Covid.

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@luckonetj,
I don't know if you saw this information that was posted in the Transplants Discussion > Immunocompromised with transplants and Vaccines- LEFT OUT about a 1-hour live webinar on Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:00PM EST to share the findings and answer questions. If you are unable to view the live webcast, the webcast will be recorded. If you register for the webinar you can submit a question.
Register here: https://jhjhm.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_JeYGrUDPQjSt0KacczGMRQ

A good place for you to post some of your questions, and easy to register.

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