Loss of long and short term memory due to seizures and medications

Posted by bruceg @bruceg, Jun 21, 2019

I had seizures for about 30 months until they were brought under control with Lamotrigine.
The problem is that the effects of the seizures and meds have all but destroyed my long term memory. My short term memory is so bad that I will ask someone the same question that they answered thirty minutes before.
This condition has already taken away my ability to participate in running my company.
Soon I will be basically unable to function as a member in my family.
My neurologist and neuropsychologist have told me that this condition will probably not change.
Has anyone on here had s similar condition and had any improvement?

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I noticed hand tremors in my husband first thing in the morning when I saw him briefly before he left every day in his truck. I suspected it was from alcohol withdrawal because his grandmother had the same symptoms and she drank as well and did not eat properly. But I really didn't know, and since I knew nothing about Parkinson's at the time, I didn't report it to his doctor because he wouldn't listen to anything I said. He believed my husband's lies, as he was a businessman and therefore had great respect in the community. He was an excellent liar, every day, and it was maddening. Dorisena

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So, Richard have you been checked for Parkinson's? If I have serious problems in the future, I intend to go to Cleveland Clinic because they have had some success with Parkinson's but my neighbor says their treatments don't cure everyone. That is understandable. My neighbor was advised to get lots of exercise every day and he complies, but it is difficult. The local, admired doctor in town retired when his Parkinson's became noticeable, and he lived a few years after that. I am positive he had the best of care, so it differs for some people. I am impressed that you have managed for twenty years on a drug. I seldom last more than two doses on any drug my doctor prescribes. They drug me, which is what drugs do, and I can't stay awake or function. Since I am a workaholic, I manage all my chronic illnesses and pain with daily sensible home treatment. I do stay on the blood pressure meds, but not as much as the doctor has prescribed. I think he has given up on me, but I get up every morning and have another go at living. Today I cooked all morning. Now I must rest.
I am comforted by the support and interest of the people on this website. Dorisena

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@artscaping

@bruceg, @lizalucier, Good evening. I do not have experience with seizures or the medication Lamotrigine. However, I have had a couple of years of increasing recent memory issues and what is commonly called foggy brain. I too was told by my neurologist that the memory issues will probably not get any better and I began reducing the stressors that seemed to bring it on. I gave up my volunteer role as the marketing director for our local community center. I was unable to continue playing mahjongg unless someone nudged me through the Charleston, or tile passing phase of the game. I became a stay at home, not wanting to get lost even with a GPS, not wanting to make selections and decisions at the grocery store.

And then, my new PCP suggested that the cognitive issues might be due to anxiety. I had been on gabapentin for a couple of years and my body was used to it. At 900 mg taken in the evening, I got just enough to help with the needles in my hands, wrists, and arms. ....and so we discounted that as a potential cause. I do not use opioids for pain, preferring medical cannabis so that wasn't the cause. Finally, I complied with her request that I go through a neuropsychological evaluation which is a four hour series of tests of cognitive function.

Those tests strongly supported a diagnosis of anxiety....fear of not making the right decision, fear of forgetting to take a medication, fear of social situations because I couldn't remember what I had said in the last 30 seconds to a minute. With my friends, I used to ask, "please tell me what I just said to you". Cognitive issues were also causing some pretty severe fatigue just from the effort of trying to remember.

Even genetics were not in my favor. My father was one of nine children, including his twin brother. Both twins and three other siblings developed Alzheimer's and lived out their days in a secure facility. So of course, I had an irrational fear that my cognitive issues were actually the beginning of Alzheimer's.

When I went in for the follow-up, I was pleasantly relieved because there was no evidence of disease or brain deterioration. I was simply anxious about the pain from small fiber neuropathy (SFN). As it was explained to me, the anxiety about the pain creates more pain which then creates more anxiety and the beat just goes on. I began a graduated introduction to duloxetine taken in the morning. Suffice it to say, my memory is greatly improved, I enjoy social outings again and I am not afraid of getting lost. For medication, I use the system of putting the bottles for the next dosage in a tray. Then I know what needs to be taken when.

I can't imagine how difficult it must be to run a company. I had my own business for 20 years and there is a lot to keep track of and manage. I am shouting encouragement for you not to give up, for you to just keep fighting. This forum (Connect) is a great place to gather information and big doses of support that will help you master your challenges. Be free of suffering today....it is July 4th... celebrate. Chris

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@artscaping
Hi Chris,
Obviously your not currently having memory issues with Cymbalta however it may occur in the future. Many people do complain of memory issues while taking it. I don’t believe it’s ever been scientifically proven that there is a relationship between Cymbalta and memory. Perhaps those people are on other meds too but just in case your memory declines in the future at a more accelerated pace than normal you might consider decreasing or stopping Cymbalta to see if it is the cause.
Health and happiness,
Jake

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@dorisena

If you read Jim Brady's book, which is a difficult read at best, you will notice that there can be brain improvement with high amounts of therapy and vocational support if you are at middle age rather than late age. I was determined to help my 80-year-old mother after her stroke in the same area of the brain as Brady's, but no therapy helped, and I only aggravated the neurologist and spent a lot of Medicare money trying. Let's just say her brain was "fried" and she never walked again, and she gave up talking. She could think, which I saw in her eyes, but expressing it was hopeless. She never forgave me for keeping her in the nursing home. I could see it in her eyes. I still believe that improvement is possible in the earlier years. I have no idea if my husband had seizures, but he was on seizure medicine after brain surgery, and concealed very problem possible. His behavior was strange while on the medicine and it was almost impossible for me to tolerate having him in the house 24 hours a day and cooking three meals while caring for five young grandchildren. I hired a nanny.
The details in the Brady book can be helpful for some people if they are at a younger age. The vulgar language used was a bit to get passed, but with enough therapy, Brady showed that improvement can happen. I would think that with MCI, the improvement would be much easier to achieve. Dorisena

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Hi @dorisena, I appreciate your perspective. It's important to keep in mind that everyone is different - even people who have similar diagnoses. Memory loss can be due to stroke, MCI, seizures, Parkinson's, fatigue, aging, and so many other factors. Depending on the causes, there are different approaches for preventing, improving, and in some cases, recovering memory loss. Each person's journey, and that of their caregivers, is different. I would be careful about declaring one type of diagnosis and rehabilitation as easier than another. It's all relative.

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Sorry, I never meant to imply that one diagnosis is easier than another. Yes, I agree with you, wholeheartedly, that everything is relative. I simply did not realize that at my mother's age which was 80 at the time of her bleeding stroke, she had limited chance of recovery than a younger person might have.
I pressured the doctor to attempt therapies that were unreasonable and he was annoyed by my requests to try therapies. I did not mean to imply that certain therapies would provide improvement because I did not realize at the time the magnitude of the damage and the problems with rehabilitation. I soon learned that I could not safely care for my mother and that I was expecting the therapists to attempt miracles. I never declared any rehab easier than another.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention. My mother remained in a nursing home for over six years and never improved despite much trial and error. I had to learn much about caring for someone so brain damaged, yet alive. It was difficult to give up trying rehabilitation methods for such a dear person. Dorisena

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@dorisena

Sorry, I never meant to imply that one diagnosis is easier than another. Yes, I agree with you, wholeheartedly, that everything is relative. I simply did not realize that at my mother's age which was 80 at the time of her bleeding stroke, she had limited chance of recovery than a younger person might have.
I pressured the doctor to attempt therapies that were unreasonable and he was annoyed by my requests to try therapies. I did not mean to imply that certain therapies would provide improvement because I did not realize at the time the magnitude of the damage and the problems with rehabilitation. I soon learned that I could not safely care for my mother and that I was expecting the therapists to attempt miracles. I never declared any rehab easier than another.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention. My mother remained in a nursing home for over six years and never improved despite much trial and error. I had to learn much about caring for someone so brain damaged, yet alive. It was difficult to give up trying rehabilitation methods for such a dear person. Dorisena

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Thanks for explaining, @dorisena. All is good.

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Chris, My son was in college when he developed epilepsy and begin taking medications that made him very tired. He went from a photographic memory to not being able to recall what he just read or remember a lecture he had just attended. He found that reading out loud really helped him retain what he was reading. In fact as part of his support to the college they recorded his books so that he could listen while reading. I don’t know if this will help you and your business dealings, but it may be something to give you a little bit of help and confidence. I agree that our anxiety about forgetting something and make it all the worse. I suffer from short-term memory issues due to extensive chemotherapy I also have chronic pain which has me taking medications that contribute to long and short term memory loss. I find managing my pain and my stress levels and exercising regularly has greatly helped my ability to retain short term details. I hope some of these tricks are helpful for you. Good luck.

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@ckeys

Chris, My son was in college when he developed epilepsy and begin taking medications that made him very tired. He went from a photographic memory to not being able to recall what he just read or remember a lecture he had just attended. He found that reading out loud really helped him retain what he was reading. In fact as part of his support to the college they recorded his books so that he could listen while reading. I don’t know if this will help you and your business dealings, but it may be something to give you a little bit of help and confidence. I agree that our anxiety about forgetting something and make it all the worse. I suffer from short-term memory issues due to extensive chemotherapy I also have chronic pain which has me taking medications that contribute to long and short term memory loss. I find managing my pain and my stress levels and exercising regularly has greatly helped my ability to retain short term details. I hope some of these tricks are helpful for you. Good luck.

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Thank you so much for relating what helps you with the memory issues. I am trying so hard to stay ahead of the gradual loss which everyone thinks is due to age. Although I no longer have to manage my business interests, I really want to keep up my skills that made me successful and confident in the past. I have learned to solve most stress problems, except the joint pain, and I am working on that, without the medicines which don't seem to do much anymore. Yes, exercise makes everything better. Dorisena

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@richardthegreat

I'm in the same boat. But I've been using this drug for 20 years and about the last 5 years my memory is failing and I having bad hand tremors

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HI, @richardthegreat - I wanted to welcome you to Mayo Clinic Connect. I believe you are saying that due to a medication you are taking, you've had some failing memory, as well as the hand tremors.

What kind of medication are you taking? Are you noticing both short- and long-term memory challenges?

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@lisalucier

HI, @richardthegreat - I wanted to welcome you to Mayo Clinic Connect. I believe you are saying that due to a medication you are taking, you've had some failing memory, as well as the hand tremors.

What kind of medication are you taking? Are you noticing both short- and long-term memory challenges?

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Lamictal a.k.a. lamotrigine, epival a.k.a. divalproex. I've been on them for about 18 years. They work great but one of the side effects of long term use is memory loss and tremors. I suffer from both. Side effects increased with time

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