Depression and Anxiety at an older age

Posted by pjss48 @pjss48, Sep 14, 2018

I am a 70 year old woman who has had depression and anxiety for a long time. It got worse 3 years ago when my husband lost one of his jobs. I panicked and my anxiety increased. I was afraid to do things. like driving. I have arthritis pretty bad and foot problems. I'm a Christian and my faith has helped me. My husband was a pastor and our church closed 3 months ago. We've had continual stress. Sometimes I don't know what to do with myself during the day. I've gotten help from several doctors, including a psychiatrist. I also have IBS. I am better. I'm taking trazadone duloxetine, remeron and xanax. Also on osteo biflex, probiotic , bentyl and celebrex. I want to get on Sam e but it may interact with one of my meds. Thanks for listening.

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@parus. Something triggers these unwanted mood changes. Our mind might revert back to depression and anxiety because it's been use to doing just that. But a lot of us, when we feel sad think we are depressed.
PTSD might not last a lifetime. I don't know. I think that after we work through the "incident" that is the major contributor to PTSD I don't need it anymore as a defense mechanism.
What do you think?

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@merpreb

@parus. Something triggers these unwanted mood changes. Our mind might revert back to depression and anxiety because it's been use to doing just that. But a lot of us, when we feel sad think we are depressed.
PTSD might not last a lifetime. I don't know. I think that after we work through the "incident" that is the major contributor to PTSD I don't need it anymore as a defense mechanism.
What do you think?

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@merpreb Seems I have several triggers. Likely there are some I am not even aware of on a conscious level. I don’t like the way I feel at times. Seems I have more anger that I don’t have reason for. It is uncomfortable. Fortunately I do not feel this volatile all the time. Getting in touch with those feelings isn’t pleasant. I am the only one that can deal with them. Remember the good, forget the bad is not something that works for me. I don’t dwell on the negative. It just has a way of interfering if this makes sense.

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@colleenyoung

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@colleenyoung
Hello Colleen,
I believe your post may have been initiated by my post to chinchuck.
I understand you have an obligation to protect Mayo Clinic and the integrity of Connect and I believe you do a suburb job. Okay here it comes, However, I’d like to mention a couple of things.
You state “Never disregard professional medical advice,” I vehemently disagree with that statement. First, medical professionals are not infallible, not even at the Mayo Clinic. If I didn’t disregard professional medical advice I’d be dead as would my Dad and numerous other people I know, me from the amount of Barbiturates I was told to take, My Dad from a brain tumor which 3 or 4 doctors said he didn’t have.
I believe you should always question medical advice and disregard what you have reason to believe may not be accurate or dangerous. I feel that medical errors being the third leading cause of death in the United States, I believe adds credence to my assertion.
Apparently I don’t understand when something is considered medical advice verses knowledge, common sense, suggestions, recommendations etc etc. I give individuals credit to know we are not professionals. Perhaps in your capacity your not afforded the same.
Hopefully you can expand you thoughts on the guidelines.
All help appreciated,
Jake

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@jakedduck1

@colleenyoung
Hello Colleen,
I believe your post may have been initiated by my post to chinchuck.
I understand you have an obligation to protect Mayo Clinic and the integrity of Connect and I believe you do a suburb job. Okay here it comes, However, I’d like to mention a couple of things.
You state “Never disregard professional medical advice,” I vehemently disagree with that statement. First, medical professionals are not infallible, not even at the Mayo Clinic. If I didn’t disregard professional medical advice I’d be dead as would my Dad and numerous other people I know, me from the amount of Barbiturates I was told to take, My Dad from a brain tumor which 3 or 4 doctors said he didn’t have.
I believe you should always question medical advice and disregard what you have reason to believe may not be accurate or dangerous. I feel that medical errors being the third leading cause of death in the United States, I believe adds credence to my assertion.
Apparently I don’t understand when something is considered medical advice verses knowledge, common sense, suggestions, recommendations etc etc. I give individuals credit to know we are not professionals. Perhaps in your capacity your not afforded the same.
Hopefully you can expand you thoughts on the guidelines.
All help appreciated,
Jake

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@jakedduck1 @colleenyoung Leonard, you took a few words out of context without also including the rest of the statement. It said to "not disregard your doctors just because of something you read here on the Mayo Clinic Connect forum." I would appreciate it if you state things completely rather than just what you wanted it to show so that you could jump on your soapbox and pontificate. The guidelines do not say disregard your doctor period. Each person obviously has the choice whether they accept or not accept the diagnosis or treatment a doctor may state. Education is key in anything.
Ginger

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@jakedduck1 Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. To go into attack mode is an entirely different thing. I am sorry for all you have been through. It can oft affect one’s attitude.

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@parus

Been wondering how much PTSD plays into the depression/anxiety scenario. At times I do well and without an obvious reason I start to spiral down. I do wonder.

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@parus I think that PTSD does indeed have an effect on depression and anxiety. I think that it is an individual thing. I think that living with PTSD can induce depression or magnify it. Sometimes working past something is so difficult and that itself is tends to depression or anxiety because it's simply a lot of work! Sometimes we have spent so long PTSD and living with it, it's really hard to just get out of the way and say we're done with it and don't want it around, because it has become such a part of our life. To tell it to go away maybe like telling a friend to go away somebody you become comfortable with and that can be depressing.
Ginger

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@gingerw

@parus I think that PTSD does indeed have an effect on depression and anxiety. I think that it is an individual thing. I think that living with PTSD can induce depression or magnify it. Sometimes working past something is so difficult and that itself is tends to depression or anxiety because it's simply a lot of work! Sometimes we have spent so long PTSD and living with it, it's really hard to just get out of the way and say we're done with it and don't want it around, because it has become such a part of our life. To tell it to go away maybe like telling a friend to go away somebody you become comfortable with and that can be depressing.
Ginger

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@gingerw Thank you for your words. I have found the more I try to rid myself of the negative thoughts the more they can become on the front lines. I can say that some things have improved. These mental health things do not totally rob me of joy and this is a good thing. It is work to rethink the old thoughts. Being in the fight/flight mode can take a toll.

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@parus

@merpreb Seems I have several triggers. Likely there are some I am not even aware of on a conscious level. I don’t like the way I feel at times. Seems I have more anger that I don’t have reason for. It is uncomfortable. Fortunately I do not feel this volatile all the time. Getting in touch with those feelings isn’t pleasant. I am the only one that can deal with them. Remember the good, forget the bad is not something that works for me. I don’t dwell on the negative. It just has a way of interfering if this makes sense.

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Good morning Parus- You make perfect sense! I had to look more at your question of PTSD and depression (I threw in anxiety too, just because). I think that there is never just one trigger, that would be too easy! I call these bothersome, unexplained uncomfortable feelings "free floating anxieties". The world is a tough one without the world being topsy turvy - but it is right now. I also find that our country has become dangerous and that makes me very anxious. I am not allowed to be political, so please forgive me for not going further with this. After all that you've been through Parus I'm not at all surprised that you have volatile moments, and they must be miserable feelings, ones we don't want to face continuously. But sometimes we have to because they need to run their course. I think that forgetting the past is criminal because it makes us what we are today. And to be honest, I really don't think that anyone can.You have grown so much in just the short time that I have come to know you. You know, sometimes things are not right and it's ok to be angry at them. I'm not talking about screaming or punching someone but showing that they have done you wrong! Why not? You are human and have feelings. I think that it's wrong sometimes to just walk away when your integrity is being questioned like your two neighbors did to you.
I like this: https://www.anxietycanada.com/adults/ptsd

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@jakedduck1

@colleenyoung
Hello Colleen,
I believe your post may have been initiated by my post to chinchuck.
I understand you have an obligation to protect Mayo Clinic and the integrity of Connect and I believe you do a suburb job. Okay here it comes, However, I’d like to mention a couple of things.
You state “Never disregard professional medical advice,” I vehemently disagree with that statement. First, medical professionals are not infallible, not even at the Mayo Clinic. If I didn’t disregard professional medical advice I’d be dead as would my Dad and numerous other people I know, me from the amount of Barbiturates I was told to take, My Dad from a brain tumor which 3 or 4 doctors said he didn’t have.
I believe you should always question medical advice and disregard what you have reason to believe may not be accurate or dangerous. I feel that medical errors being the third leading cause of death in the United States, I believe adds credence to my assertion.
Apparently I don’t understand when something is considered medical advice verses knowledge, common sense, suggestions, recommendations etc etc. I give individuals credit to know we are not professionals. Perhaps in your capacity your not afforded the same.
Hopefully you can expand you thoughts on the guidelines.
All help appreciated,
Jake

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@jake- I'm also going to step in here. You are simply wrong in this case. You can not give medical advice to anyone's specific illness or disease, nor prescribe medications. This is exactly what you did without giving a prescription out. You were specific in the names and doses. Questioning your doctor and going against his advice is fine for you to do, but it isn't fine to suggest that others do that. Actually it's dangerous because, no matter how much you think that you know, you just don't know enough to do this without a medical license. You can tell people what has worked for you. It's like being highly religious and telling someone the right way to pray- you just can't do that.
Jake if you can't distinguish between what is advice and what is medical advice then just stop giving it out.
It's not up to you to cure the medical field's woes. Do it for yourself but not for others.

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@merpreb

Good morning Parus- You make perfect sense! I had to look more at your question of PTSD and depression (I threw in anxiety too, just because). I think that there is never just one trigger, that would be too easy! I call these bothersome, unexplained uncomfortable feelings "free floating anxieties". The world is a tough one without the world being topsy turvy - but it is right now. I also find that our country has become dangerous and that makes me very anxious. I am not allowed to be political, so please forgive me for not going further with this. After all that you've been through Parus I'm not at all surprised that you have volatile moments, and they must be miserable feelings, ones we don't want to face continuously. But sometimes we have to because they need to run their course. I think that forgetting the past is criminal because it makes us what we are today. And to be honest, I really don't think that anyone can.You have grown so much in just the short time that I have come to know you. You know, sometimes things are not right and it's ok to be angry at them. I'm not talking about screaming or punching someone but showing that they have done you wrong! Why not? You are human and have feelings. I think that it's wrong sometimes to just walk away when your integrity is being questioned like your two neighbors did to you.
I like this: https://www.anxietycanada.com/adults/ptsd

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@merpreb Thank you for these words. I learned long ago that giving opinions on politics and religion is NOT the thing to do. My dad taught me this whilst young. These things are personal. I do also notice the unrest around us. Why I avoid the news. Thank you for validating that I have made progress as I believe I have.
We all have much to offer in sharing and being kind and not judgmental.
I know I am being repetitive-We are not all wired the same.
Cyber 🤗.

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