Post Prednisone Adrenal Insufficiency

Posted by petermccarville @petermccarville, May 4 8:12am

I am quite sure I have Post Prednisone Adrenal Insufficiency, also known as Tertiary Adrenal Insufficiency (TAI). My symptoms tend to be fatigue and whole body aches/pains after I "overdo" my activities such as manual labor (digging, lifting, etc while working on my property). After a couple of days of rest (less or no labor) I am back to normal. It is like I have half the abilities (energy stores) that I used to have (pre PMR). No reserves. Another example is jet lag. A recent trip (April) to and from Austria really hammered me. I had body aches, stomach pains, digestive issues, and fatigue as symptoms of my jet lag. 5-7 days later I was "normal". Really an amazing/unpleasant experience. Back in October I went to Austria and was on about 6-7 mg of pred. Jet lag was not an issue at all in both directions. If it is true that I have TAI, how long until I might be "back to my old normal" ? Any thoughts? The adrenals are acting but just not producing as much as I need to reduce the pains that come with activity, it seems. I was on pred for 10 months (starting in April /May of 2025) now off for 2-3 months, started at 15 mg, had an excellent taper and experience on pred with little to no side effects from pred. Thoughts?

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Wow, that is an amazing tapering, I’m struggling a little bit, stress along the way interfered a bit with mine but back on track now. I actually read up on the adrenal while on prednisone, and yes they basically turn off so to speak, so when you stop your meds they have to learn to work again, thus could take a little while, a good adrenal supplement would probably help. I’m back up to 5mg of prednisone was down to 3mg and am now taking bioceuticals Adrenoplex to give my adrenals a helping hand.

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@caroljeand . Thanks for your interesting take on the fatigue issues that you have, post steroid taper. I am not sure that I agree that these are still PMR symptoms that I have. I never really had fatigue with PMR . I also think that since I do not have the classic bilateral hip and shoulder pain, fatigue only after I complete a task of heavy work our something physical, and labs that are perfectly fine (no inflammation markers), and I do not have daily pain when just hanging out ...I can safely say that I do not have PMR anymore. My issue is overdoing and recovery. If I do not tax myself physically with a 8 hour day of digging holes for tree planting for example, then I do not have pain nor a hard time recovering from it. But when I do a day or two or three in a row like that (exercise, labor, etc) then I seem to get into a recovery deficit. My body aches and I am dead tired. But, I do recover eventually to a pain free state in a couple of days. I like to think I am in remission or "cured" but just suffering from the side effects of prednisone. Maybe this is just semantics?!

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@petermccarville
I don’t know how old you are but it sounds like you are much more active than most people who don’t have a history of PMR. I know when I first had PMR symptoms I could be active without any problems then the next day I suffered. I was on prednisone at the time so I don’t think the issue of fatigue was related to my adrenals.

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I can relate to the experience. Since it is spring I have done yardwork. I can rake, dig weeds, move planters, etc. and feel ok. The next day is a different story. It takes a couple of days to recover. I am tapering off prednisone and don't know how to balance activity and tapering.

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Thanks for this discussion - it's very helpful. I was diagnosed in February 2026, have been on prednisone for 8 weeks (highest dose 20 mg a day), currently just tapered to 10 mg. (Am also on Tyenne (tocilizumab) injections), and this current dosage is the first time I have felt general achiness (flulike). I'm 76, and I had some L shoulder impingement signs before being diagnosed with PMR - PT suggests the prednisone has masked those symptoms and they may recur once my dose is lower.

Here is what the PT I am seeing advised me to do about exercise and tapers. He said that the prednisone can mask symptoms of muscle or ligament strain, and that for 72 hours before and 72 hours after the taper, I should not increase (numbers of reps on the light weights I am doing, increase swimming or walking distance, yard work etc. ), and that after the first 72 hours of the taper, I can carefully increase.

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@caroljeand . Thanks for your interesting take on the fatigue issues that you have, post steroid taper. I am not sure that I agree that these are still PMR symptoms that I have. I never really had fatigue with PMR . I also think that since I do not have the classic bilateral hip and shoulder pain, fatigue only after I complete a task of heavy work our something physical, and labs that are perfectly fine (no inflammation markers), and I do not have daily pain when just hanging out ...I can safely say that I do not have PMR anymore. My issue is overdoing and recovery. If I do not tax myself physically with a 8 hour day of digging holes for tree planting for example, then I do not have pain nor a hard time recovering from it. But when I do a day or two or three in a row like that (exercise, labor, etc) then I seem to get into a recovery deficit. My body aches and I am dead tired. But, I do recover eventually to a pain free state in a couple of days. I like to think I am in remission or "cured" but just suffering from the side effects of prednisone. Maybe this is just semantics?!

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@petermccarville
So, 3 months later, how are you doing now?
I know I’d like to hear that everything has returned to normal. If so, did you just let time work on your adrenals or did you add something else to your routine?

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@stonewheel. The adrenals came back on during the taper but maybe not fully. I did a .5 mg taper every two to three weeks from 4 mg down to 0 mg. That smaller jump helped avoid any flares and made the adrenal re-adjust all the easier. I had some weird but unsustained aches and pains as the adrenals came back during that taper. And, I had some strange things happening that I described in my May letter to this chat room. The aches and pains were not PMR type pains that I knew very well. I was a bit tired for a month or so but then I was also working quite a lot physically. I tried to rest more and cut myself some slack and not just jump full throttle back into my previous high energy life.

I had my cortisol levels checked in June and by then I had normal levels. One of the cortisol tests was a test that lasted 14 hours (total of 5 samples of spit). It too showed that I was in the normal ranges of cortisol. My blood work was all normal and that included the inflammatory markers.

Many of the aches and pains were problems from overworking. I ws remodeling a garage and all that ,ind of work that I had not done in over a year was getting the best of me. I am finally getting a handle on much of the low back pain that I developed., as I said in part to hitting it too hard. But also I was just not "in shape" for that kind of work. At 64 y.o. I cannot just jump into that kind of thing anymore without paying the price. Another thing to note is that I had neglected my core exercising from the middle of March. I think that ws a part of it too. I am not back to glute, abdominal, and back exercises (core) that I had neglected. I feel much bater after about a month of every other day workouts. I am even back to more full body workouts of weight training. The smoke in Colorado , coupled with the heat, has been so bac=d this summer that my outdoor work has been curbed and my hiking has been to. A big bummer for most of us here. Just horrid conditions to live in.Cheers
Here it is August and I am back to my usually achy self and trying not to overdo! I did exercise, sports and labored physically while on prednisone but cut back my amount and intensity. Now I am almost back to my level of exercise that I was doing pre-PMR. I continue my acupuncture for support to this day.

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@stonewheel. The adrenals came back on during the taper but maybe not fully. I did a .5 mg taper every two to three weeks from 4 mg down to 0 mg. That smaller jump helped avoid any flares and made the adrenal re-adjust all the easier. I had some weird but unsustained aches and pains as the adrenals came back during that taper. And, I had some strange things happening that I described in my May letter to this chat room. The aches and pains were not PMR type pains that I knew very well. I was a bit tired for a month or so but then I was also working quite a lot physically. I tried to rest more and cut myself some slack and not just jump full throttle back into my previous high energy life.

I had my cortisol levels checked in June and by then I had normal levels. One of the cortisol tests was a test that lasted 14 hours (total of 5 samples of spit). It too showed that I was in the normal ranges of cortisol. My blood work was all normal and that included the inflammatory markers.

Many of the aches and pains were problems from overworking. I ws remodeling a garage and all that ,ind of work that I had not done in over a year was getting the best of me. I am finally getting a handle on much of the low back pain that I developed., as I said in part to hitting it too hard. But also I was just not "in shape" for that kind of work. At 64 y.o. I cannot just jump into that kind of thing anymore without paying the price. Another thing to note is that I had neglected my core exercising from the middle of March. I think that ws a part of it too. I am not back to glute, abdominal, and back exercises (core) that I had neglected. I feel much bater after about a month of every other day workouts. I am even back to more full body workouts of weight training. The smoke in Colorado , coupled with the heat, has been so bac=d this summer that my outdoor work has been curbed and my hiking has been to. A big bummer for most of us here. Just horrid conditions to live in.Cheers
Here it is August and I am back to my usually achy self and trying not to overdo! I did exercise, sports and labored physically while on prednisone but cut back my amount and intensity. Now I am almost back to my level of exercise that I was doing pre-PMR. I continue my acupuncture for support to this day.

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@petermccarville

I was referred to an endocrinologist when a low cortisol level was "discovered." I had to be able to taper down to 3 mg of prednisone to get a cortisol level checked. The endocrinologist "expected a low cortisol level" and was more surprised that I had a cortisol level. Any cortisol level was a reason to be "encouraged."

I took prednisone for 12 years to treat PMR. It was "impossible" for me to taper my prednisone dose lower than 10 mg and that dose was my "comfortable prednisone dose." When I tapered to 7 mg the "inevitable relapse" happened.

Prior to starting Actemra (tocilizumab), I had to taper my prednisone dose as low as possible "just to see" what happened. I went from 10 mg to 7 mg and relapsed and went back to 10 mg. Interestingly, my pain when I relapsed wasn't exactly like PMR pain although I can't describe how it was different.

Actemra allowed me to reach 3 mg with relative ease and that was when my cortisol level was checked. When my cortisol level was low, I was advised that I should NOT taper any lower than 3 mg. I was surprised because nobody ever told me NOT to taper. Until this time, my instructions were that I should always to taper slowly. I was now being advised to stay on 3 mg for as long as it took for my cortisol level to improve and to refrain from increasing my dose unless it was absolutely necessary. The endocrinolgist told me to expect some discomfort. Fortunately, Actemra kept PMR in check so I didn't have a PMR relapse while I stayed on 3 mg of prednisone.

It took time but my cortisol level improved. The endocrinologist said "a single adequate cortisol level" didn't mean my overall adrenal function had improved. The only way for my overall adrenal fuction to improve was to discontinue prednisone and to see what happened. The endocrinologist wouldn't predict what would happen when I discontinued prednisone. The only reassurance she would provide was that I could restart prednisone "for any reason if I felt the need."

I would say it was at least a year after prednisone was stopped for my adrenal function to recover. It was a very eventful year after I discontinued prednisone. There was a need to restart 60 mg of prednisone again at one stage but it had nothing to do with an adreanal crisis or a PMR relapse. My cortiosl level was "rechecked" once during the year but my endocrinolgist said "it wouldn't be meaningful" to do routine cortisol checks. Routine cortisol tests are often not very helpful because the numbers change all day long and do not always show how your adrenal glands handle stress.

I have now been off prednisone for 5 years. I have to assume my cortisol level is normal. However, my endocrinologist is concerned that my hormone profile is abnormal. I have been diagnosed with a primary small bowel neuroendocrine tumor (SBNET) with metastasis. The SBNET has been slowly growing for a long time.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/neuroendocrine-tumors/symptoms-causes/syc-20354132

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@stonewheel. The adrenals came back on during the taper but maybe not fully. I did a .5 mg taper every two to three weeks from 4 mg down to 0 mg. That smaller jump helped avoid any flares and made the adrenal re-adjust all the easier. I had some weird but unsustained aches and pains as the adrenals came back during that taper. And, I had some strange things happening that I described in my May letter to this chat room. The aches and pains were not PMR type pains that I knew very well. I was a bit tired for a month or so but then I was also working quite a lot physically. I tried to rest more and cut myself some slack and not just jump full throttle back into my previous high energy life.

I had my cortisol levels checked in June and by then I had normal levels. One of the cortisol tests was a test that lasted 14 hours (total of 5 samples of spit). It too showed that I was in the normal ranges of cortisol. My blood work was all normal and that included the inflammatory markers.

Many of the aches and pains were problems from overworking. I ws remodeling a garage and all that ,ind of work that I had not done in over a year was getting the best of me. I am finally getting a handle on much of the low back pain that I developed., as I said in part to hitting it too hard. But also I was just not "in shape" for that kind of work. At 64 y.o. I cannot just jump into that kind of thing anymore without paying the price. Another thing to note is that I had neglected my core exercising from the middle of March. I think that ws a part of it too. I am not back to glute, abdominal, and back exercises (core) that I had neglected. I feel much bater after about a month of every other day workouts. I am even back to more full body workouts of weight training. The smoke in Colorado , coupled with the heat, has been so bac=d this summer that my outdoor work has been curbed and my hiking has been to. A big bummer for most of us here. Just horrid conditions to live in.Cheers
Here it is August and I am back to my usually achy self and trying not to overdo! I did exercise, sports and labored physically while on prednisone but cut back my amount and intensity. Now I am almost back to my level of exercise that I was doing pre-PMR. I continue my acupuncture for support to this day.

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@petermccarville
Thank you for the quick reply. I am glad to hear that you are doing good. I especially appreciate your details. Reading about progress and success are inspirational.

I’m taking Kevzara though. I’ve tapered fast with it and slightly felt the adrenals “waking up” but not too bad, just noticeable and usually any ache is gone in a day or two. Currently, I’m taking 1 mg of Prednisone for ten days and then 0.5 for ten days. My Prednisone side-effects are lessening too.
Maybe I could stop the Prednisone now, but I’m playing it safe because I hate PMR pain.
Best wishes.

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@petermccarville

I was referred to an endocrinologist when a low cortisol level was "discovered." I had to be able to taper down to 3 mg of prednisone to get a cortisol level checked. The endocrinologist "expected a low cortisol level" and was more surprised that I had a cortisol level. Any cortisol level was a reason to be "encouraged."

I took prednisone for 12 years to treat PMR. It was "impossible" for me to taper my prednisone dose lower than 10 mg and that dose was my "comfortable prednisone dose." When I tapered to 7 mg the "inevitable relapse" happened.

Prior to starting Actemra (tocilizumab), I had to taper my prednisone dose as low as possible "just to see" what happened. I went from 10 mg to 7 mg and relapsed and went back to 10 mg. Interestingly, my pain when I relapsed wasn't exactly like PMR pain although I can't describe how it was different.

Actemra allowed me to reach 3 mg with relative ease and that was when my cortisol level was checked. When my cortisol level was low, I was advised that I should NOT taper any lower than 3 mg. I was surprised because nobody ever told me NOT to taper. Until this time, my instructions were that I should always to taper slowly. I was now being advised to stay on 3 mg for as long as it took for my cortisol level to improve and to refrain from increasing my dose unless it was absolutely necessary. The endocrinolgist told me to expect some discomfort. Fortunately, Actemra kept PMR in check so I didn't have a PMR relapse while I stayed on 3 mg of prednisone.

It took time but my cortisol level improved. The endocrinologist said "a single adequate cortisol level" didn't mean my overall adrenal function had improved. The only way for my overall adrenal fuction to improve was to discontinue prednisone and to see what happened. The endocrinologist wouldn't predict what would happen when I discontinued prednisone. The only reassurance she would provide was that I could restart prednisone "for any reason if I felt the need."

I would say it was at least a year after prednisone was stopped for my adrenal function to recover. It was a very eventful year after I discontinued prednisone. There was a need to restart 60 mg of prednisone again at one stage but it had nothing to do with an adreanal crisis or a PMR relapse. My cortiosl level was "rechecked" once during the year but my endocrinolgist said "it wouldn't be meaningful" to do routine cortisol checks. Routine cortisol tests are often not very helpful because the numbers change all day long and do not always show how your adrenal glands handle stress.

I have now been off prednisone for 5 years. I have to assume my cortisol level is normal. However, my endocrinologist is concerned that my hormone profile is abnormal. I have been diagnosed with a primary small bowel neuroendocrine tumor (SBNET) with metastasis. The SBNET has been slowly growing for a long time.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/neuroendocrine-tumors/symptoms-causes/syc-20354132

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@dadcue do you feel the tumor is related in any way to the PMR?
I’m sorry to hear you now have this to deal with. Thank you for your many posts on here, trying to help others going through similar trials. I’ve read many of them, as I am now trying to find ways to get through this. I have so much pain, in hips and groin more than my shoulders.
But I fractured my sacrum back in May, badly. So I don’t know how much is coming from that.
My fracture was the result of taking steroids and having osteopenia, I’ve read. I have only been on 8 mg, the highest dose was 8.5 mg, for a few weeks. I think I was feeling better and that made me do more walking than usual. But I’ve read it can be from something as simple as turning over in bed.
I’m hoping the addition of Kevzara will help me get off the prednisolone.

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@dadcue do you feel the tumor is related in any way to the PMR?
I’m sorry to hear you now have this to deal with. Thank you for your many posts on here, trying to help others going through similar trials. I’ve read many of them, as I am now trying to find ways to get through this. I have so much pain, in hips and groin more than my shoulders.
But I fractured my sacrum back in May, badly. So I don’t know how much is coming from that.
My fracture was the result of taking steroids and having osteopenia, I’ve read. I have only been on 8 mg, the highest dose was 8.5 mg, for a few weeks. I think I was feeling better and that made me do more walking than usual. But I’ve read it can be from something as simple as turning over in bed.
I’m hoping the addition of Kevzara will help me get off the prednisolone.

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@ga29
I hope the sacral fracture heals and Kevzara helps you to get off prednisolone.
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I'm still processing the information about the type of cancer I have. I haven't reached any conclusions but I think chronic inflammation probably contributed.
https://neuroendocrine.org.au/resources/net-information/chronic-inflammation-and-neuroendocrine-cancer/
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I feel much better since Actemra was started than at any time when PMR was treated with prednisone. Perhaps targeting IL-6 inflammation with Actemra has helped because high levels of IL-6 have been linked to the neuroendocrine cancer.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12207837/
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If nothing else ... my cancer treatment has been convenient so far. I do my monthly infusion of Actemra first. After the infusion of Actemra is done I go to the oncology clinic for an injection of a medication called Lanreotide in the upper outer quadrant of my buttock. They draw all my labs from the cannula used for my IV infusion of Actemra.

The neuroendocrine cancer I have isn't like most cancers. The cancer is caused by endocrine cells found everywhere in the body but they usually don't multiply very quickly. The cells are small and hard to detect. The biggest problem is that these cells produce excessive amounts of hormones. I have been seeing an endocrinologist ever since I had prednisone induced adrenal insufficiency. Now I see a second endocrinologist that specializes in endocrine cancer in addition to the first endocrinologist.

At first I was inclined to blame prednisone but there is no link to neuroendocrine cancer and long term prednisone use. I only know that prednisone causes hormone imbalances. According to what is currently known, there is no medical or scientific evidence showing that long-term use of prednisone causes neuroendocrine cancer. While prednisone is a synthetic corticosteroid that mimics the natural hormone cortisol and disrupts metabolic and hormonal balance, prednisone does not initiate or trigger neuroendocrine tumors.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/which-is-better-an-over-reactive-immune-system-or-a-suppressed-one/

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