PMR - What do you wish you had known . . .

Posted by jabrown0407 @jabrown0407, Jun 21 11:15pm

Each of us has been on a journey with a disease that is not well understood, common but not identical symptoms and the steroid treatment is scary and problematic with its own side effects.
What is the one or two things you wish you had known early on that helped you put the pieces together and helped you better understand what is going on with you and your body.
Please share so we can learn from each other.

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Profile picture for lhk2 @lhk2

I was diagnosed in May of this year after 3 months of increasing pain in my hips. I'm so new to this that I don't know what I really need to know. My pain is just in my hips/legs but prednisone helps quite a lot. I was started on 20 mg and have decreased to 10 without any significant increase in pain and the plan seems to taper till I can start on Kevzara. I have a couple questions for the group though and would appreciate any insights.
1. I am wondering why I haven't had shoulder pain and if that is usually something that starts simultaneously with hip pain or shows up over time.
2. Given I am tapering on prednisone what should I expect as I continue to decrease: Increased pain? Pain moving to my shoulders? Any other symptoms?
I am seeing my rheumatologist for the third time in a week and will have more input at that time, but it will be good to hear unfiltered advice you have for a newby.

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@lhk2 no idea what will or will not happen to you, now or later. But certainly we can share what happened. My pain started December (2 week after a covid booster/flu shot) and we figured PMR early January. I refused Pred because of side effects. The pain was pretty immense throughout 1st quarter 2026. March 20 started hi dose pred, 30MG, but tapering rather quickly by 5MG each week. My pain was gone within 1-2 hours after taking 1st dose. Below 10MG, then down to 1.25 (lots of pain), back to 5, then 2.5 now since June 5. The more pain that happens the harder I work out. Mind you, working out on PMR is clearly not at the level it used to be. Last few weeks all my pain has moved to shoulders, nothing (since March) in hips. Still a lot of stiffness. Hence 15-30 min stretching each day. Amazingly enough my sediment test, which Jan-March had been over 100, just mid June showed as 22, slightly about normal. My GP says trust that sediment test and start tapering by skipping Pred a day (then 2, then 3) each week. Scary. But it just amazes me that so many people here have such vastly different experiences, side effects, pains, etc. Hope this helps. Oh, my biggest lesson. Pred and PMR are separate. PMR does not go away because of pred. Pred masks the pain. If you taper off pred and PMR is still there, the pain will come back. I thought I had not tapering issues since I only took Pred for 4 or so months. Well, now we see if the PMR has gone away.

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Profile picture for kathy22wright @kathy22wright

I wish I had known the time it takes to taper off prednisone and the risks of using it. At first, the relief from the PMR pain is so quick and profound it feels like a miracle. But the side effects are real, rearing their heads like a Medusa shortly after that first wave of pain relief. At one time, I thought if I ever get off prednisone and have another flare, I’d prefer to manage the pain than to revert to prednisone, but with more research I learned doing so increases the risk of GCA and even worse outcomes from the unchecked PMR. It’s a situation with only one path out: prednisone to manage PMR and then the human managing the prednisone for a very long time. Only about 25% of us will walk away from PMR after a ~2-year battle. The rest will continue to live with it, hoping to awake every day flare free, or intercepting a flare early enough to control it with as little prednisone as possible. This disorder is not for the meek, and for me, it takes every ounce self care I can muster to manage it, including the toll on my mental health. As they say, the only way out is through.

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@kathy22wright Thank you for this insight! I am just 6 weeks into this journey with PMR and although the Prednisone knocked out the awful 'flare' problems of the PMR the side effects of the Prednisone are horrific! I am not sure how I will be able to navigate two years or more of this! At the moment, I cannot sleep, horrible stomach pains, exhausted, despite Prednisone allegedly making you hpyer - I think this is due to no sleep! And then there is the dry mouth, everything tasting like metal, etc, etc, etc. In my case the 'cure' is almost worse than the original PMR! Any suggestions anyone?

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Profile picture for sbgigi @sbgigi

@kathy22wright Thank you for this insight! I am just 6 weeks into this journey with PMR and although the Prednisone knocked out the awful 'flare' problems of the PMR the side effects of the Prednisone are horrific! I am not sure how I will be able to navigate two years or more of this! At the moment, I cannot sleep, horrible stomach pains, exhausted, despite Prednisone allegedly making you hpyer - I think this is due to no sleep! And then there is the dry mouth, everything tasting like metal, etc, etc, etc. In my case the 'cure' is almost worse than the original PMR! Any suggestions anyone?

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@sbgigi
The initial side effects of Prednisone are horrific but isn't it nice not to have so much pain???

Now I also believe the prednisone 'cure' is almost worse than the original PMR! My suggestion is not to continue on your "PMR journey" too long with prednisone being your companion. Maybe a year or so but not much longer.

The initial side effects from Prednisone are dose dependent. The more you take the worse the side effects. Your body will eventually adjust but you might need some additional medications to treat the side effects. You will probably be able to reduce your prednisone dose relatively fast at the start because your body knows it is getting too much prednisone.

Eventually you reach a point where prednisone will make life seem better. You start to believe it is all about "quality of life." Being without PMR pain is better than being on prednisone..

When you begin to feel "more normal" on more Prednisone compared to how you feel on less Prednisone you need to watch out. Your body is probably "dependent on prednisone" because it replaces the hormone cortisol. You are probably in the early stages of prednisone induced adrenal insufficiency. That is when things start to get complicated because you are unable to taper off prednisone or even reduce your dose very much.
https://www.endocrine.org/clinical-practice-guidelines/glucocorticoid-induced-adrenal-insufficiency
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Adrenal insufficiency isn't easy to manage. You have to take Prednisone whether PMR is still active or not. The longer you take prednisone the worse adrenal insufficiency becomes. The symptoms of adrenal insufficiency mimic PMR symptoms so it is hard to know what is happening.

Adrenal insufficiency wasn't suggested to me until I said that I felt "more normal on prednisone compared to how I felt when I didn't take enough prednisone." An astute person pointed out that "normal people" don't need to take prednisone. Only then did I realize I had a bigger problem than PMR alone after 12 years on prednisone to treat PMR.

PMR might still be active after a few years but a rheumatologist didn't want me to take prednisone "long term'" Some people will say low dose prednisone for the rest of your life is acceptable. Maybe that was true when prednisone was the "only option." Fortunately alternatives to prednisone currently exist to treat PMR.

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@tweetypie13

IL-6 inhibitors do offer a ray of hope for people who have used prednisone for a long time to treat PMR and GCA. Actemra (tocilizumab) allowed me to taper off after 12 years of prednisone. I have to admit that 12 years of prednisone with all of my PMR relapses while taking prednisone were making me depressed. It wasn't very helpful when I was told that prednisone was the best and only option for PMR and that it was okay for me to take prednisone for the rest of my life. My rheumatologist believed otherwise.

I have now been on Actemra for 7 years and I feel much better without any relapses and all of the agonizing pain every time I relapsed. I still have some "tolerable" pain but I don't expect to have no pain. My side effects from Actemra are minimal if any. I have osteoarthritis so that explains much of my lingering pain.

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@dadcue - Thanks for this. I am only 6 weeks into my 'official' journey with PMR, but I know I have had it for at least six months prior to acute flare and diagnosis. Started on Prednisone and having severe reactions and side effects to it. My rheumatologist is already suggesting Actemra , due to reactions to Pred. What do you think, given your experience? I also have extensive Erosive Osteoarthritis throughout my body!

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Profile picture for sbgigi @sbgigi

@dadcue - Thanks for this. I am only 6 weeks into my 'official' journey with PMR, but I know I have had it for at least six months prior to acute flare and diagnosis. Started on Prednisone and having severe reactions and side effects to it. My rheumatologist is already suggesting Actemra , due to reactions to Pred. What do you think, given your experience? I also have extensive Erosive Osteoarthritis throughout my body!

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@sbgigi

The Erosive Osteoarthritis is aggressive. The damage is permanent and likely will contribute to your pain. I have arthritic damage too but it was mostly caused by chronic inflammatory arthritis and not all of it was caused by "wear and tear" osteoarthritis.

I took Prednisone for a very long time for PMR,. I was still able to taper off Prednisone but only after Actemra was started. Your results may vary but hopefully it will enable to taper off prednisone too. I personally have minimal (hardly any) side effects from Actemra. However there are potential side effects.

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I have just been diagnosed (a few days ago) with PMR. I was living with such severe pain that the prednisone feels like a gift and a miracle! I am getting really worried reading all these posts about the withdrawal from all of you! My doctor said we will decrease as necessary. He started me on 30 MG’s a day and increased it to 40 yesterday since I still could not sleep due to severe pain in my arms.
Even had I known all the above, I am not sure it would have changed anything since I was in so much pain!

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Needed to know how Prednisone tapering would affect me at each new lower dose. Instead, doctor just said to lower it a certain amount about every few months. That sounded as if I'd still feel OK with each lower dose. I should've asked the doctor how I would feel with each lower dose,

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Profile picture for remargulies @remargulies

I have just been diagnosed (a few days ago) with PMR. I was living with such severe pain that the prednisone feels like a gift and a miracle! I am getting really worried reading all these posts about the withdrawal from all of you! My doctor said we will decrease as necessary. He started me on 30 MG’s a day and increased it to 40 yesterday since I still could not sleep due to severe pain in my arms.
Even had I known all the above, I am not sure it would have changed anything since I was in so much pain!

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@remargulies Prednisone can make you sleepless too.

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Profile picture for tug25 @tug25

Needed to know how Prednisone tapering would affect me at each new lower dose. Instead, doctor just said to lower it a certain amount about every few months. That sounded as if I'd still feel OK with each lower dose. I should've asked the doctor how I would feel with each lower dose,

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@tug25 I hope you do realize that the side effects of being on prednisone and coming off prednisone are different for everyone. Unfortunately, there is no way to know or predict how any one person will react.
What you need to watch for as you taper down is that the lower dose is no longer covering the pain and you are having some symptoms return. That is the key. Then you need to concern yourself with the symptoms of adrenal insufficiency since they are easily confused with PMR pain.

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Profile picture for jabrown0407 @jabrown0407

@tug25 I hope you do realize that the side effects of being on prednisone and coming off prednisone are different for everyone. Unfortunately, there is no way to know or predict how any one person will react.
What you need to watch for as you taper down is that the lower dose is no longer covering the pain and you are having some symptoms return. That is the key. Then you need to concern yourself with the symptoms of adrenal insufficiency since they are easily confused with PMR pain.

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@jabrown0407

Thanks for the reply, which is what I believe I should have heard from my doctor when he initially explained the tapering process by the numbers only. That might have helped prepare me for the return of some PMR symptoms as I lowered the dosage.

Since I see him regularly, including blood work, adrenal insufficiency is not a problem.

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