Years after prostate surgery: Is it okay to eat steak once a month?

Posted by tattodice @tattodice, Jul 19 3:47pm

Can someone who has been years post RALP without BCR please share if they have a steak once in awhile ? Would it be ok to eat a steak once or twice a month if that is the only red meat consumed?

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I can't stand broccoli, cauliflower or brussels sprouts. I did eat a chicken sandwich today, but it was fried. Then enchiladas tonight and there wasn't any turkey or chicken in them. It amazing my lipids panels are so good. Did do a 2.08 mile walk today, so that was one thing good, no weights waiting on what doctor says about swollen area. I do like salads and even spinach, but most likely put on too much dressing? Had fish last night, but again it was fried.

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@diverjer
I’m not too hot on broccoli either, but with the tomatoes in it and I guess garlic and some seasoning it really does taste good.

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@soli
I like your list Soli 👍😃 !
Keep up good work : )))) and may you never have BCR 🍀 !!!

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@surftohealth88

Thank you so much for your feedback and best wish. I also wish the same for your huband: no more BCR after his current treatment.

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@jim18
My wife Makes me broccoli for at least three days most weeks. She includes Roasted tomatoes in a bottle she gets from Trader Joe’s. Never liked broccoli all that much but it tastes really good with the tomatoes in every bite. She bakes it in the oven. Some get a little brown on the edges, but it taste good. She makes it in a big 8 x 12 glass dish and I’ll have it for three or four days in a row as I eat about a quarter of it at a time.

She used to buy the pre-bagged broccoli tips, But now gets the big huge stalk of it, and cuts off the pieces at the top.

I eat a big salad for lunch every other day. I use half Romain lettuce and half kale. The kale (Trader Joe’s) is bagged and cut into not too large pieces. Taste just fine with oil and vinegar dressing. I add tomatoes, green onions, Half a can of anchovies Artichoke hearts and either chicken or little Bay shrimp. Fill a 10 inch bowl to the top.

Just a couple things you can do to follow a healthy diet.

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@jeffmarc

Tomatoes—especially cooked tomatoes—and broccoli are a winning combination! Tomatoes are rich in lycopene, a powerful antioxidant, while broccoli contains sulforaphane, a potent compound that supports the body's detoxification pathways and may help promote apoptosis (programmed cancer cell death).

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@jeffmarc and @soli

I just wanted to add that the highest amount of sulforaphane is actually in broccoli sprouts - about 100 times more and that all cruciferous vegetables have sulforaphane - not only broccoli.
Yes, broccoli has more than the rest but if one hates broccoli other excellent contenders are :

Brussels Sprouts
Kale
Cabbage (both red and white)
Cauliflower
Bok Choy
Watercress & Arugula (Rocket)

We love all of them, except perhaps kale.

The easiest way is actually to just add handful of broccoli sprouts in a salad lol - one will get much more of active substance and avoid eating broccoli.

Also - VERY important :
Sulforaphane is highly bioavailable and quickly enters your bloodstream within 1 to 3 hours. BUT - It is formed when the precursor glucoraphanin mixes with the enzyme myrosinase. To maximize absorption, vegetables must be eaten RAW or lightly steamed, as heat destroys myrosinase !!!

So if you roast broccoli you have to ADD enzymes back ! Easy fix - sprinkle mustard seeds on top of broccoli since they contain high level of myrosinase. That is why good broccoli supplements always contain added enzymes.

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@jeffmarc and @soli

I just wanted to add that the highest amount of sulforaphane is actually in broccoli sprouts - about 100 times more and that all cruciferous vegetables have sulforaphane - not only broccoli.
Yes, broccoli has more than the rest but if one hates broccoli other excellent contenders are :

Brussels Sprouts
Kale
Cabbage (both red and white)
Cauliflower
Bok Choy
Watercress & Arugula (Rocket)

We love all of them, except perhaps kale.

The easiest way is actually to just add handful of broccoli sprouts in a salad lol - one will get much more of active substance and avoid eating broccoli.

Also - VERY important :
Sulforaphane is highly bioavailable and quickly enters your bloodstream within 1 to 3 hours. BUT - It is formed when the precursor glucoraphanin mixes with the enzyme myrosinase. To maximize absorption, vegetables must be eaten RAW or lightly steamed, as heat destroys myrosinase !!!

So if you roast broccoli you have to ADD enzymes back ! Easy fix - sprinkle mustard seeds on top of broccoli since they contain high level of myrosinase. That is why good broccoli supplements always contain added enzymes.

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@surftohealth88

I agree with you 100% on everything you said about broccoli and its best preparation methods, broccoli sprouts, and substitutes. The only thing I would like to add is make sure you do not throw away the broccoli stems since they are very rich in dietary fiber important for gut health, and contain more potssium and calcium than the florets.

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Our typical daily menu :

Brunch - one cup steal cut oats with half cup soy milk (I make mine with goat milk ) and half cup water . Added spices (vanilla, cinnamon, nutmeg). Added fruits fresh or dried (my favorite freeze dried strawberries; my husband's favorite fresh cut apples). Added nuts or seeds for omega - I like hemp seeds my husband likes flax. Added teaspoon coconut oil to balance out carbs and adding extra nice aroma and smoothness. I LOVE mine so much that I call it a "dessert" lol

Dinner - lettuce mix with cut up cucumbers, cherry tomatoes, shredded carrots, edamame beans , pumpkin seeds tossed with olive oil and fig balsamic vinegar. On top is either salmon, crab cake or cubed chicken breast.

Some days it is roasted sweet potatoes, roasted or steamed broccoli, or roasted brussel sprouts, roasted carrots etc etc in different combinations - always roasted with olive oil and spices (Italian mix and garlic etc.) and some protein on a side - roasted chicken or baked salmon.

Some days it is vegetable stew with cabbage, carrots, potato, parsnip, and tiny amount of lean pork that was used as a base - organic pork cubes total that can fit in my hand (like one pork chop lol) and that in a 2 gallon pot - so you get the idea lol - it is just for added aroma . Cubes braised with one big chopped up onion, added pepper and some hot peppers, than added full bottle of organic tomato bottled juice and added all veggies and water to the rim and that simmered for 2 hours - OMG I am getting hungry - it is divine stew and that lasts for 3 days (at least).

Than all kind of risottos with brown rice all kind of veggies , some with shrimp and white wine and fennel bulbs (omg my mouth is watering) - some baked in big pan and that also can last for days.

Now that my husband will start RT I will be preparing chicken bone soup as general tonic to be eaten before dinner or as a lunch.

We eat different kinds of fruit through a day (when we need a snack). We drink coffee and tea galore. Red wine with dinner on some occasions (only 2-3 oz).

Sinful things : Chocolate, occasional plain cookie like petite b, or tiny scone and real cake for special occasions; rarely coconut milk based ice-cream (So Delicious company) I want to say that I prefer that ice-cream to any other not because it is dairy free but because I truly love it and am eating it for 20 years as my first choice - it is light and refreshing and it is obvious by now that I LOVE coconut aroma in most things lol.

Totally excluded from my husband's diet - eggs, bovine milk, processed meats, cheese, red meat (except in that stew recipe I mentioned above and that is made perhaps once in 2 months lol. ) None of that feels like "deprivation" to him at all. He preferred fish to any other meat anyways, eggs we did not consume as a food but as addition in some sauce or cake ingredient or in mayo, so no loss there either. Cheese is missed as well as prosciutto etc., but not to the point of "sadness" lol .

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@surftohealth88

This is a very well planned anti-cancer meal plan which also has systemic benefits beyond slowing down tumor growth. It should help with gut health, weight managment, cardio vascular health, slower aging etc,

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@soli - not only are the broccoli stems very good for you, they taste great as well. I think they taste better than the florets, so I always include those.

Same with cabbage cores - I don’t throw those out. I either steam them until tender, or just mince them very fine and add to salads…or I just lightly salt them and eat them raw while I’m doing the other cooking. Yum!

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After my RP, I asked my urologist for any dietary advice. His only response: don’t eat red meat. Seeing that I had given it up 20 years earlier, that was a no-brainer. My personal physician added no cured or deli meats. On a podcast, an expert on prostate health said no dairy. She recommended Ripple milk, which is plant based. It tastes great but is more expensive than dairy milk. I have increased my fruit and vegetable intake, and only eat chicken and seafood(shrimp and Alaska seafood). Oatmeal and blueberries are my go to foods for breakfast. For my sweet tooth, I have a few pieces of Jojo’s dark chocolate only on weekends. I’ll have a small sweet treat on special occasions, like my birthday, anniversary and grandkids birthdays. I’m not perfect but much better than the past. I also stop eating at 6pm every evening. As a former health educator, I always recommended eating “in moderation”. With prostate concerns, being more restrictive is important. On the other end of the spectrum, there are survivors who say they will die happy eating whatever they choose. Many will say there is no exact answer. Obviously, the choice is yours. BTW, make sure exercise is an integral part of your daily routine. Best of luck.

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@soli - not only are the broccoli stems very good for you, they taste great as well. I think they taste better than the florets, so I always include those.

Same with cabbage cores - I don’t throw those out. I either steam them until tender, or just mince them very fine and add to salads…or I just lightly salt them and eat them raw while I’m doing the other cooking. Yum!

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@turtbean
We refer to "cabbage cores" in Europe as "cabbage hearts" lol and they are regularly eaten as you described - removed, lightly salted and eaten raw. In autumn time in many Euro countries it is a long held tradition to make home made sauerkraut and that was the time of great fun for kids - we would sit around and wait for our turn to get "cabbage heart" lol - what a healthy treat ha ha. Not to mention all of the health benefits one gets eating "vitamin and probiotic bomb" of sauerkraut 👍.

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After my RP, I asked my urologist for any dietary advice. His only response: don’t eat red meat. Seeing that I had given it up 20 years earlier, that was a no-brainer. My personal physician added no cured or deli meats. On a podcast, an expert on prostate health said no dairy. She recommended Ripple milk, which is plant based. It tastes great but is more expensive than dairy milk. I have increased my fruit and vegetable intake, and only eat chicken and seafood(shrimp and Alaska seafood). Oatmeal and blueberries are my go to foods for breakfast. For my sweet tooth, I have a few pieces of Jojo’s dark chocolate only on weekends. I’ll have a small sweet treat on special occasions, like my birthday, anniversary and grandkids birthdays. I’m not perfect but much better than the past. I also stop eating at 6pm every evening. As a former health educator, I always recommended eating “in moderation”. With prostate concerns, being more restrictive is important. On the other end of the spectrum, there are survivors who say they will die happy eating whatever they choose. Many will say there is no exact answer. Obviously, the choice is yours. BTW, make sure exercise is an integral part of your daily routine. Best of luck.

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@kjacko
I agree with you 100% ! It is not only about cancer - healthy nutrition keeps our body strong and young and full of energy and makes our immune system strong.

We must give our body a fighting chance with nutritional support. My husband is 70 but has zero other health issues, he has no problems with joints, or muscles, or any other "age related" limitations or diseases. It allows him to endure treatments with zero side effects and his post surgery recovery was full and with lightning speed at 70. 🧿 He is still working full time and has 2 startups on top of it and still finds time and energy to exercise every day. And, if it is important to anybody - he looks at least 10 years younger , I am mentioning that since somebody asked about "wrinkles" today lol in another post - eat healthy and stay hydrated is my advice. 😉

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