Years after prostate surgery: Is it okay to eat steak once a month?

Posted by tattodice @tattodice, Jul 19 3:47pm

Can someone who has been years post RALP without BCR please share if they have a steak once in awhile ? Would it be ok to eat a steak once or twice a month if that is the only red meat consumed?

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Surely french fries can't be bad for you, I eat them a lot as well as sweet potatoes fries. I know they are not good for people with diabetes. And then tonight I ate some bacon, I bet that is also bad and at lunch I had an extra large taco burger. But I did drink water instead of a soda. My cholesterol numbers are great, cholesterol 127, Triglycerides 104, HDL 42, LDL 64 and Non-HDL Cholesterol 85.

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Surely french fries can't be bad for you, I eat them a lot as well as sweet potatoes fries. I know they are not good for people with diabetes. And then tonight I ate some bacon, I bet that is also bad and at lunch I had an extra large taco burger. But I did drink water instead of a soda. My cholesterol numbers are great, cholesterol 127, Triglycerides 104, HDL 42, LDL 64 and Non-HDL Cholesterol 85.

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@diverjer
Fried foods are not good for prostate cancer patients. Same with bacon, Another one of the red mates that you try to avoid, but the bacon is also prepared like deli meats, so it’s double problematic.

Did you check out this article?
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/health-articles/nutrition-and-prostate-cancer

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Yes I've read the articles about diet & cancers and do believe there is a connection, but is only one piece of the puzzle. Again with most men being in their 60's & 70's when they get diagnosed with PC are you suppose to stop enjoying life? After going to battle with PC and the harsh treatments, then have hardly any sex life if any, feel like crap, doesn't it make sense to have some quality of life added in, even if it's only food. It's not only about quantity of life but has to have some quality added to it. Enjoy a steak, hamburger or pizza once or twice a month, and add some french fries. But offset it with exercise and eating right the other days of the month. Some supplements can help as well. I think about my Italian grand parents and all my uncles who ate cheeses & cured meats their whole life, smoked cigars or cigarettes and all lived well into their 80's & 90's. Much of this was before they even tested for PC. Perhaps many died with it not from it. Makes me wonder some times if they didn't test for PC how many men would live out their lives and die of something else? I believe the average age of being diagnosed with PC is 68-69? An average man's life span is 78? So it's possible a man not knowing they have PC never has to endure the harsh treatments, continues to eat what they want, continues to have sex, etc, etc. and dies near or even more than the average life span? Just a thought.......

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@diverjer
Fried foods are not good for prostate cancer patients. Same with bacon, Another one of the red mates that you try to avoid, but the bacon is also prepared like deli meats, so it’s double problematic.

Did you check out this article?
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/health-articles/nutrition-and-prostate-cancer

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@jeffmarc
Essentially this is the diet that I maintain. Close to the MIND diet.

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A man asked his doctor if he thought he'd live to be 100.
The doctor asks, "Do you smoke?
"No," he replied.
The doctor asks, "Do you drink?"
"No," he replied.
"Do you gamble, drive fast cars, or chase women?" inquired the doctor.
"No, I've never done any of those things."
"Well, then," said the doctor, "why would you want to live to be 100?"

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@jim18
You may think there should be no dietary restrictions, but the fact is recurrence can be aided by eating foods that are not helpful To prevent reoccurrence. You have lots of cells in your body, and some of them are susceptible to those foods and can be prompted to grow if you do not pay attention to what you eat.

The fact of a prostatectomy is really irrelevant. Before you were even diagnosed Dormant cells were sent throughout your body by the cancer and can be activated by stress. Besides that there are other cells that can be encouraged to grow by certain foods. Whole milk, Deli meat, Red meat, Sugary beverages, and fruit juice and a lot of other items can encourage your cancer cells to replicate.

There are a lot of videos on YouTube about Diet and prostate cancer. UCSF says it in this link,
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/health-articles/nutrition-and-prostate-cancer
It’s not like you can never eat these foods, but eating them Infrequently can be beneficial for your cancer.

I’ve had four reoccurrences because I have the genetic problem of BRCA2. I’ve had prostate cancer for 16 years and I’ve had surgery and radiation and many drugs. For the last 10 years, I’ve greatly limited the amount of red meat and other items that are not good for my cancer. I think that’s one of the reasons I’m still around after all this time.

You can eat, whatever you like whenever you like, but your cancer may become more aggressive as a result.

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@jeffmarc What I saw in the article looked a lot like a promotion for supplements. A lot of a conflating the benefits of exercise and staying at a proper weight and reducing saturated fats with a vegan diet. Associations that were better but not significant like better with 28 vegetable servings a week vs. 14 or less with no quantification of benefits or a general recommendation for 56-70 servings of vegetables and fruits a week. Not even worth trying for those. There were a few gems like the 41% decrease of cancer with 3+ servings of broccoli, bok choy, cabbage, kale, or cauliflower a week. There was also the 40% decrease from Omega3. Not sure I believe those numbers, but since I tick both of those maybe that is why I am okay with ignoring the rest. It is really about exercising, maintaining healthy cholesterol levels, and keeping the weight down more than what you eat. Doing that should be easier on a vegan diet. However, a lot of what is consumed is leveled out by stomach acid. Studies show no relationship between consumption of red or processed meats and progression of prostate cancer although they did show 10%+ increased risks for heart health as well as initial colorectal cancer.

As I said before, do what makes you happy even if that is a vegan or other restricted diet. Keep consuming those lutamides since that probably has more effect on prostate cancer suppression than everything else in the diet.

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I don't eat a steak often, but eat many things that have ground beef in it, so I being bad. Maybe all my exercising and walking will make up for some of that bad stuff?

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@diverjer Switch to ground DARK turkey meat; I had switched to it when I became allergic to all red meat (tick bite).
It is vastly different from regular white supermarket ground turkey.
In fact, no longer allergic to beef, I actually prefer the taste and texture in burgers, chili, soups and stews.
Even the best ground beef now tastes oily, gamey and much harder to digest.
But that’s just me getting older!
Phil

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Surely french fries can't be bad for you, I eat them a lot as well as sweet potatoes fries. I know they are not good for people with diabetes. And then tonight I ate some bacon, I bet that is also bad and at lunch I had an extra large taco burger. But I did drink water instead of a soda. My cholesterol numbers are great, cholesterol 127, Triglycerides 104, HDL 42, LDL 64 and Non-HDL Cholesterol 85.

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@diverjer Believe it or not, French Fries are often cited as the #1 WORST thing you can possibly eat!
It’s not the potato, but the months old cooking oil and hydrogenated fat that you’re ingesting.
Every time they reheat that oil, it becomes more and more toxic. I’m not a member of the food police - and I DO love French fries - but if they come with my meal (which is rare) I will eat a few but leave the rest behind.
Phil

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I was never told I couldn't eat a steak or red meat. Well for the first few weeks I wasn't, but after that was not given a diet.

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@diverjer Post R.A.L.P surgery, I was never given any special diet. I eat pretty much whatever I want. We do use all natural ingredients. We also cook from scratch daily. I’m 70 and doing fine after 2024 RALP surgery. Best of luck to you. Quite an adventure ahead for sure.

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@diverjer Believe it or not, French Fries are often cited as the #1 WORST thing you can possibly eat!
It’s not the potato, but the months old cooking oil and hydrogenated fat that you’re ingesting.
Every time they reheat that oil, it becomes more and more toxic. I’m not a member of the food police - and I DO love French fries - but if they come with my meal (which is rare) I will eat a few but leave the rest behind.
Phil

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@heavyphil What about using air fryer instead of oil for french fries? Speaking of oil there are some good oils beside virgin olive oil, like avocado oil. Not good for frying but good for low heat cooking, salads, etc.
Nut and seed oils should never be heated, better for drizzling over foods, etc.

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