Years after prostate surgery: Is it okay to eat steak once a month?
Can someone who has been years post RALP without BCR please share if they have a steak once in awhile ? Would it be ok to eat a steak once or twice a month if that is the only red meat consumed?
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Even vegans and vegetarians get prostate cancer (see below). But at only a 12% decrease is diet really a big factor why men get PC? I'm sure diet plays a role in getting prostate cancer but only one piece of the puzzle. Genetics, environment, etc all contribute to PC.
"Yes, vegans and vegetarians can still get prostate cancer, but research shows they have a lower risk compared to meat-eaters. Large-scale studies, such as the pooled analysis of over 1.8 million people, found that vegetarians have a 12% reduced risk of prostate cancer"
"The reduced risk is typically attributed to the absence of animal fats and specific amino acids in plant-based diets, which some prostate cancer cells rely on for growth. Additionally, components like soy milk are associated with a decreased risk"
"While a plant-based diet offers significant protective benefits, all men, regardless of diet, remain at risk and should continue to consult with their physicians about regular screenings. You can read more about dietary impacts on the prostate on the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine or explore research at the Prostate Cancer Foundation"
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4 ReactionsTwenty years ago, I had a basil cell removed from my face (a form of skin cancer, but it won't kill you). When I had my follow-up, I told the doctor that I'd started using a SPF 15 skin cream every day.
He was largely, unimpressed, saying, "Well, that will help you twenty years from now." I took that to mean, you already have skin damage, so it's a bit late for that.
I didn't let that change my new habit. It's 26 years later and no new basil cells. But, I will say this....I do go out to the beach and do long bike rides outdoors in full sun.
Meaning; yes, make good changes....but you still got to live your life. Have that steak and go all in with a full steak. Enjoy! Just moderate how often you do it.
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4 ReactionsI will continue to eat the steak. Not sure what your doctor told you but there should be no dietary restrictions after surgical recovery. With RP your prostate is gone, and it had no digestive function. If there is a BCR it is from cells that were present in your body (or their descents) at time of RP. Nothing in your diet is going to change that. It might give a 20-year-old slightly better odds of not getting prostate cancer, or other cancers. However, if there are negative genetic factors that will probably swamp all the healthy living. Most prostate cancer survivors are 65+. At this point a healthy diet is probably not even going to prevent other cancers. It might be time to live a little before you die. But more power to you if your choice is a tofu diet for the rest of your life.
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5 Reactions@jim18
You may think there should be no dietary restrictions, but the fact is recurrence can be aided by eating foods that are not helpful To prevent reoccurrence. You have lots of cells in your body, and some of them are susceptible to those foods and can be prompted to grow if you do not pay attention to what you eat.
The fact of a prostatectomy is really irrelevant. Before you were even diagnosed Dormant cells were sent throughout your body by the cancer and can be activated by stress. Besides that there are other cells that can be encouraged to grow by certain foods. Whole milk, Deli meat, Red meat, Sugary beverages, and fruit juice and a lot of other items can encourage your cancer cells to replicate.
There are a lot of videos on YouTube about Diet and prostate cancer. UCSF says it in this link,
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/health-articles/nutrition-and-prostate-cancer
It’s not like you can never eat these foods, but eating them Infrequently can be beneficial for your cancer.
I’ve had four reoccurrences because I have the genetic problem of BRCA2. I’ve had prostate cancer for 16 years and I’ve had surgery and radiation and many drugs. For the last 10 years, I’ve greatly limited the amount of red meat and other items that are not good for my cancer. I think that’s one of the reasons I’m still around after all this time.
You can eat, whatever you like whenever you like, but your cancer may become more aggressive as a result.
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4 ReactionsI don't eat a steak often, but eat many things that have ground beef in it, so I being bad. Maybe all my exercising and walking will make up for some of that bad stuff?
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2 Reactions@diverjer
Nope , unfortunately, nothing can lessen bad food choices effects.
Ground beef is worse than steak since the fat content is higher and usually not the best meat parts included in ground beef in general.
Also, if you grill it, than add some extra carcinogen factors in that scenario : (((.
If you can, stick with chicken, turkey, fish etc. and organic if at all possible.
Please read the UCSF link provided above - you will get detailed explanations and guidelines.
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5 Reactions@diverjer - what I do these days is substitute ground turkey for ground beef, either partly or wholly, depending on the dish.
Last night, I made a cabbage roll soup and used all ground turkey in place of the ground beef…tastes a little different, but just fine regardless. Having leftovers tonight, and I threw a few servings in the freezer.
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3 ReactionsWell I do eat a lot of fried chicken and barbecue turkey/ham. We eat out every noon and I don't always make the best choices. I don't know why I don't way a ton? Back when I drank lots of beer, 32 oz mugs, several a day- didn't gain any weight. I think it's all the activity I do? I pretty much quit the beer back in 2009. My last 12 pack I bought last summer lasted from June to December. I am not against alcohol, but one day I started looking at older people I knew that had drank a lot and all their issues and said- nope I don't want to get in that shape. I have been graving a a beer or glass of wine lately, but held off. Don't think it would help the bladder issue.
I will read up on your link, but don't know if I can convince wife on diet changes. There are the two of us and hard to change habits of last 43 years and don't want to force her into something that she wanted like.
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1 Reaction@diverjer -chicken’s good, but fried…not so much. Also, that ham is a big no-no. That’s what I’m missing the most, all my cured meats and deli meats (bacon, ham, hotdogs, sausage, bologna, salami, pepperoni, etc) - up until last year, I ate deli meats and the like at least once a day, and many times three or more times a day for most of my life, and I think that usually tops every PCa specialist’s list of what not to eat.
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1 ReactionHad a New York Strip Sunday evening for my birthday! Thanks to surf I did not have the ribeye. I like medium well but had it medium. Also had French fries. Generally do not eat these but have them on my birthday every year. I am on an anti inflammatory diet and no sugar. Saw a video recently stating developing countries still use DDT on produce. Thought I would mention. I agree that one must live !
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