what to expect when starting prednisone for PMR
I'd be interested in hearing what others have experienced in the initial weeks when starting prednisone for PMR. I had PMR for 10 weeks before starting 20mg prednisone. Within 4 days I was 85% better, but still unable to do anything that taxed my muscles. Light gardening, walking too fast or too long, still make me sore in the morning, it's just not as bad. Have others had immediate relief on prednisone?
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@ruthdc This sounds about right. Not everyone has the ‘miracle’ loss of symptoms in a few days. Took me a few weeks for symptoms to really subside. Going out to lunch sounds amazing! But once diagnosed and put on steroids I did immediately begin putting in the changes to deal with the underlying inflammatory/autoimmune issues underpinnng PMR. So that when I begin to taper off steroids the PMR symptoms don’t ‘flare’ or re-emerge. Steroids don’t cure it. They alleviate the symptoms. I have noticed how often people ‘blame’ steroids for lots of things to do with PMR. Might be right but equally arriving at the point of developing PMR means your body has already gone through a lot and is tired and exhibiting lots of unusual behaviours. Look at how to get back to normal health - exercise, sleep, nutrition, lifestyle etc - rather than blame the steroids. They are the crutches to support us while solving the cause. Appreciate them but get your body ready to move off them when youre fitter and no longer have PMR symptoms. There are great Holistic PMR groups out there to help. They resolve PMR with NO steroids. Sorry! Is this too long? Apologies. Good Luck 👍
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I was started on 15mg prednisone when my blood work started trickling in and my inflammation markers were off the charts. It didn't really do much for me and I should add that my pain didn't improve during the day. My hip girdle pain actually increased by night time. It's possible that was because I was only able to sleep a couple of hours each night due to the pain. When the rest of my blood work came back I was diagnosed with PMR and I was increased to 25mg prednisone. I'm also 6'3" and was 245# at the time. Even that didn't fully alleviate my shoulder pain. My blood work also pointed to a blood disorder so I was referred to a hematologist oncologist for further evaluation. After more testing and a bone marrow biopsy I was diagnosed with SMM. My rheumatologist thinks the SMM is the reason for the remaining shoulder pain but because I had a clean PET scan, my hematologist-oncologist disagrees. Because of the SMM I'm now tapering off prednisone and waiting for the approval process for kevzara to play out. I'm at 6.5mg prednisone now and I'm feeling the return of PMR pain. Again, it doesn't improve with time or light exercise.
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1 Reaction@csimmonds I am replying to my own post. This one is from almost a year ago so it is an update. I stayed on prednisone and tapered as rheumatologist recommended. By May I was at zero but being pain free didn't last long. I was changing doctors so waited to go back on prednisone. Fortunately I was able to see my new rheumatologist the end of June. He was very helpful in understanding where I was and what the future may hold--PMR is so unpredictable. He had me start taking 5mg of prednisone. It wasn't the immediate relief like when I started the first time but that was when I was taking 30mg. The 5mg gave a lot of relief but it took a few days for me to feel normal. I am now tapering every 2 weeks down to 2mg. I will stay on that until my next doctors appointment. So far so good. I do water exercises everyday but am still reluctant to push myself too much. I am confident my rheumatologist will be a good guide as I deal with PMR short term and long term. When I read the experience of others there seems to be no standard for the dosage of prednisone when first diagnosed. I was glad to start high initially but was relieved that when PMR returned I could start with just 5mg of prednisone. Is that the same with most people?
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Yes ... I think there are two approaches to the starting dose. You can start at a higher dose and decrease to find the "lowest effective dose." You can also start at a lower dose and increase as needed to find the lowest effective dose.
I think your first experience with taking 30 mg of prednisone and tapering down gave your doctors a better idea of where your lowest effective dose was. I agree that PMR is unpredictable but the lowest effective dose of prednisone is too.
Diagnosing PMR isn't an exact science. Depending on the what diagnosis is suspected and a person's risk of side effects also determines how much prednisone might be needed in the beginning. GCA starting doses are much higher than PMR starting doses for example. Weighing all the risks and benefits is important.
I like the following video that states that there is no "gold standard" for treating PMR.
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1 Reaction@csimmonds No rules, it is all up to you. No one, MD or not seems to know the path or reasons.L
Yes, love water exercises, also, hot tub. I self tapered with agreement from Dr. so I stayed on a dose until I was pain free for at least 2 weeks.
My go to method is 15 mins of light exercise in bed before getting up. Saved me when I was crippled with PMR early on. Still do them to this day 2 1/2 yrs later. Mostly do them to prove to myself “I’m back!”
Now to address your question, I did not have a time off meds like you. However, I am on the biologic Kevzara and did go off for 2+ months, my blood work came back with increased CRP and SED numbers. DR. had me go back on Kevzara. At no time was I in pain, or discomfort.
@tweetypie13 I appreciate your response and agree, particularly with the patient leading the path. That is what I like about my new rheumatologist. He understands this and listens to my experience. I will be staying on 2mg until our next visit and we will plan from there. The 'we' is important to me. He talked about long term options and mentioned Kevzara but said it could be contraindicated if I had diverticulitis. Recently a scan showed I have a mild case. Since Kevzara can cause bowel perforation it might not be right for me. However GLP-1 might. I have enough other conditions that it is like going down a checklist to see what is ok. Fortunately I am very comfortable with this physician, his knowledge of PMR and his respect for the patient. As you know it is hard to understand the incredible pain with PMR. Even when having a bad time I look ok at 7 in the evening. That morning I might have been crying as I try to get out of bed. Then I dread going to bed. When I was in pain I did some stretching before getting out of bed but it sounds like you do more. What exercises do you do in bed that help? I think many of us could learn from your experience.
@csimmonds I have a functional mobility specialist (trainer) who guides me.
In bed…..(I usually go to the bathroom, grab some water and get back in bed)
Lay on back, for all easy move, DO NOT FORCE BODY. Think of as warm up
Arms lay as goal posts over your head for all exer.
1 knee bent, raise and lower other leg 15, repeat other leg
Both legs bent hip width or more with feet flared out and do windshield wipers, I.e, bend Rt knee to left comfortably, return and bend left knee to Rt repeats-for total of 15 ea side.
Lay on side, move butt back , past shoulders (feels tilted), bend top leg and place knee over lower leg, your top foot will rest on lower leg knee, hold for easy 4 breaths…move will align your body. Repeat with other leg.
Reach your arms straight up to ceiling for 10 ish lifts. (Opens shoulders)
Last…..1 leg straight, other knee bent and pull to chest hold for 30 secs. Repeat other side.
Early on with PMR It was my self imposed goal to some movement, and it’s evolved into the daily warm up for this 80yo body.
Hope it helps and do share any ideas you have
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2 Reactions@tweetypie13 Thank you. I understand most of it. Not sure about the middle one but I think I can get it will a bit of trial and error. When I was not on prednisone and pain at its worse I did a couple of simple things before getting out of bed. I did a shoulder and neck stretch and a butt tighten and release. My hip pain isn't really in the hips but lower butt or more delicately put upper thigh. I also use resistance bands for my shoulders and that helps a lot. I am dealing with a body that will be 79 in October so we have that in common. I refuse to give in to PMR.
@csimmonds you goooooo
My exercises are to warm up body so I can move after I get up.
My understanding is PMR is a minimum of 2 yr cycle. Since my 2 yrs I have been pain free, just riding it out. 🤔
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1 Reaction@tweetypie13 I have about 6 months to go for the 2 years.
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