High CAC after bisphosphonates (no other cardiac risks)

Posted by notmaggie @notmaggie, 2 days ago

Has anyone else who was treated for osteoporosis with bisphosphonates had a surprise very high CAC score? My lipids have always been good. I have always had low normal blood pressure, no kidney disease, no diabetes, normal weight, good diet, moderate exercise, low lp(a) and Apolipoprotein B, no angina, no symptoms of cardiac issues.

I do have osteoporosis, and more than 10 years of bisphosphonates did not work for me. After a long break, I requested hormone replacement therapy as an alternate treatment for osteoporosis. Out of an abundance of caution, my primary care doctor asked me to do a coronary calcium scan even though my cardiovascular health has always been exceptionally good. The result was a shock—over 1000! I consulted a local cardiologist and was advised to start rosuvastatin 5mg. She also told me that I am already doing all the right things and that I should just forget about the calcium score, which she says should not have been ordered in the first place. That’s nice to hear, but it leaves me feeling rather helpless as well as at risk!

Four years ago, in another town, after a dentist thought he might have seen carotid calcium on a routine dental x-ray, I consulted a cardiologist. Carotid ultrasound and echocardiogram stress treadmill indicated no blockages and normal heart function and strength.

I understand that high calcium scores most often indicate long-term plaque build-up and calcification; however, logic tells me that there CAN be other causes. I am seeking better understanding so that I have a better chance to make changes to improve my situation—or at least to not make it worse.

I have seen studies that conclude that Covid 19 can cause coronary calcium. I have also seen several studies that show a possible correlation between long-term bisphosphonates use and high CAC.

Whatever the cause, I have high CAC, and it’s not likely to go anywhere. I am very grateful for my good cardiovascular health (other than this CAC). I just want to better understand my risks and what I can do to improve them. I will be grateful for insights from others who have had a similar experience.

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Hi, bitsygirl.

I completely understand the angst and the pressure to DO SOMETHING! IT sounds like you are doing very well, though. I hope that continues. I am very grateful for the good health I’ve enjoyed. I have been so lucky! Now that I am facing the osteoporosis and heart risks, I am even more grateful, and I feel for those whose issues are so much more severe.

I also understand that doctors are only human. No one human being (or one thousand human beings) can reasonably be expected to have all the answers for all the problems for all the patients. I know that I’m an anomaly. I don’t really expect that I will be able to get any information other than the standard formulaic responses that are true and useful for most cases. Still, I would be so happy if my cardiologist exhibited some curiosity about my case.

If I discover anything definite about the bisphosphonates/coronary calcium link, I will definitely post it. please do some reading on the osteoporosis section before you take bisphosphonates. They might be a good choice for you, but they were not good for me, and there are other options.

Best of luck to you, too!

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@notmaggie Thanks for the information. I looked into it a little bit after seeing your post. My mother suffered a fractured femur that she always attributed to her osteoporosis medication. It was especially unfortunate because she never walked normally again and it affected her ability to exercise (which was especially needed after a triple bypass). I'll definitely look into it before taking them if the osteopenia progresses.

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Yes, HRT is off the table. The fear is that the estrogen will cause soft plaque to erupt, dislodge, and cause a heart attack or stroke. I’m still not convinced that that is likely or that I even have soft plaque. But it doesn’t matter. I doubt that anyone will prescribe HRT now.

If I had not stopped HRT when I was told to, the likelihood is that I would not have either arterial calcium or osteoporosis, but who knows? I have both now, and I’m certainly not the only one!

It is what it is, and I will do what I can to protect myself and live my life. I am grateful for my here and now. I feel strong and healthy, and I have little pain. I have a couple of very dark clouds following me around, but I won’t let fear of what osteoporosis and arterial calcium can do to me block out the sun. I’ll continue to try to understand these issues and to improve what I can, but I won’t let this stress take over. Right now, I’m gonna go play with my big, silly dog!

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@notmaggie , who were you intending to get HRT from? I’m considering it.

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@notmaggie Thanks for the information. I looked into it a little bit after seeing your post. My mother suffered a fractured femur that she always attributed to her osteoporosis medication. It was especially unfortunate because she never walked normally again and it affected her ability to exercise (which was especially needed after a triple bypass). I'll definitely look into it before taking them if the osteopenia progresses.

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@bitsygirl
Yes, do your research so that you can make the best decisions you can. It’s a complex issue with a lot of contradictory information available, and the research continues, so the available data changes.

I suspect (and hope) that new and better treatments and much better understanding will soon become standard. For now, my advice (just as a fellow human being—not a doctor) is to start now to do what might help and doesn’t hurt—fit weight and resistance and balance exercises into your life. They might not build bone, but they will help you prevent falls, and they just might build bone, too. Eat prunes if you can. Google “prunes and osteoporosis.” It appears that they can, at least, help preserve bone mass. Talk to your doc about HRT. The prejudice against it has changed and better versions are available than was used in the old WHI study that scared everyone off. Michael Lavacot, who is a participant on the Osteoporosis group here, has a YouTube channel. HE is great at explaining the current medication options. Dr. Doug Lucas also has a YouTube channel. I find him a little off-putting, but he is clearly intelligent, and he provides lots of information with links to resources.

Don’t wait for osteopenia to become osteoporosis. Take charge now and act now. Look at exercise and nutrition and supplementation. You might not ever progress to osteoporosis.

Best of luck!

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@notmaggie , who were you intending to get HRT from? I’m considering it.

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@celia16
I had asked my primary care doctor to prescribe HRT. That’s why she sent me for the calcium scan. I haven’t given up yet. Just taking a break. I will discuss it further with my cardiologist. I also have an appointment with a local osteoporosis clinic in October. They should have more experience with the coronary calcium/osteoporosis combination.

I wonder if a gynecologist or an endocrinologist might be more willing and able to prescribe the right combination and type of HRT. It’s hard to know just where to start, isn’t it?

Good luck!

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@celia16
I had asked my primary care doctor to prescribe HRT. That’s why she sent me for the calcium scan. I haven’t given up yet. Just taking a break. I will discuss it further with my cardiologist. I also have an appointment with a local osteoporosis clinic in October. They should have more experience with the coronary calcium/osteoporosis combination.

I wonder if a gynecologist or an endocrinologist might be more willing and able to prescribe the right combination and type of HRT. It’s hard to know just where to start, isn’t it?

Good luck!

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@notmaggie I asked several gynecologists and endocrinologists without success. One of them referred me to a group of menopause consultants, one of whom was willing to precribe Menostar after CAC and ultrasound imaging studies.

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