Dealing with a Relationship that has Become Toxic

Posted by kla1960 @kla1960, Aug 10, 2020

My relationship which is an engagement has become toxic. He has become officially verbally and emotionally abusive and used gaslighting. I am a trauma survivor as well. I am also new to this group and a retired RN but there are so many red flags here beyond what I just mentioned especially during a pandemic and very unstable geo political situation. I have a plan already. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you.Abuse is never the quote unquote victims fault . Yes I am also a survivor of domestic violence. My ACE score is 4.

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@ehdog
I’m glad he’s changed and taking accountability, but that doesn’t make your reactions abusive. Your nervous system just hasn’t fully caught up yet, and that can take time.

It doesn’t make you abusive. It never will. You’re not abusive, and it’s better not to label yourself that way.

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@ashlynnmae
It's better to not label myself as abusive because I'm not that or because it's not good to call yourself that?
I just can't get over his friends.

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@ashlynnmae
It's better to not label myself as abusive because I'm not that or because it's not good to call yourself that?
I just can't get over his friends.

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@ehdog
Because you're not abusive. I went back over it and realized I missed part of what you said. His friends...Did he actually explain the situation to them? Because from what you described, they’re saying things without the full context. I wouldn’t take what they said seriously.

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@ehdog
Because you're not abusive. I went back over it and realized I missed part of what you said. His friends...Did he actually explain the situation to them? Because from what you described, they’re saying things without the full context. I wouldn’t take what they said seriously.

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@ashlynnmae
He didn't. I heard everything. He just threw me under the bus and said "I was going through a lot" and that it thought I was pregnant and was panicked. He didn't share why, it was because he finished in me when I said no. He didn't mean to so I don't totally blame him.
He didn't say he wouldn't leave my room
He didn't explain the shopping thing.
Nothing like that.

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@ashlynnmae
He didn't. I heard everything. He just threw me under the bus and said "I was going through a lot" and that it thought I was pregnant and was panicked. He didn't share why, it was because he finished in me when I said no. He didn't mean to so I don't totally blame him.
He didn't say he wouldn't leave my room
He didn't explain the shopping thing.
Nothing like that.

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@ehdog
He left out a lot of important parts, like not respecting your no, not leaving when you asked, and not explaining what actually led up to your reaction. So yeah, his friends are reacting to an incomplete version of events, and of course that’s going to make it look like you’re the problem when they don’t have the full context.

And even if he didn’t mean to finish inside you, that’s still a serious consent issue that needed to be taken seriously and acknowledged properly.

With everything you’ve described, it makes sense that you’ve react strongly at times. That doesn’t make you abusive. I don’t like using that word here, but if anything, he is abusive. It’s a good thing he’s trying to change.
As for his friends, no, they don’t have enough context to fairly judge what happened.

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@ehdog
He left out a lot of important parts, like not respecting your no, not leaving when you asked, and not explaining what actually led up to your reaction. So yeah, his friends are reacting to an incomplete version of events, and of course that’s going to make it look like you’re the problem when they don’t have the full context.

And even if he didn’t mean to finish inside you, that’s still a serious consent issue that needed to be taken seriously and acknowledged properly.

With everything you’ve described, it makes sense that you’ve react strongly at times. That doesn’t make you abusive. I don’t like using that word here, but if anything, he is abusive. It’s a good thing he’s trying to change.
As for his friends, no, they don’t have enough context to fairly judge what happened.

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@ashlynnmae
I feel like I'm using his actions as an excuse to be abusive though

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@ashlynnmae
I feel like I'm using his actions as an excuse to be abusive though

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@ehdog

I get why you’re worried about that, especially since you tend to jump to harsh conclusions about yourself when you’re stressed.

Two things can be true at the same time: his past behavior is why you react so strongly now, and you can still work on how you respond when you get triggered.

The second part is harder, and he also needs to keep working on his side of things so it’s easier for you and less triggering overall.

This isn’t about excusing potential abuse. It’s about cause and effect. What you’re describing sounds more like: “I don’t like how I react, and I’m trying to understand why it happens,” which isn’t abuse but awareness and accountability.

A more helpful way to think about it is: “My triggers make sense based on my past and current situation.” “My reactions are still something I can learn to manage better.” “Both of us need to work on things.”

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So I've been with my boyfriend for a while since I was in highschool

Since then we've had a very rocky relationship. I love him, but it's not perfect.

Since then he's done things to convince me or coerce me(?) into sexual acts.

He disrepects my boundaries, teases me and makes fun of me "as a joke" and I told him I don't like it. I would lash out at him when I felt unheard or angry. My boyfriend rarely yells but does things to make me feel unloved inore passive ways

Now we seem a bit better but he still teases me and disrepects my boundaries like touching my butt and pinching me. I tell him stop and he tells me I can say no but he does things without asking first. So I don't know. His friends, hearing me yell once, after he had come home from shopping (I can't leave the house) and didn't get me anything to eat. I called him considerate (wasn't yelling atp) and told him to leave me alone (my room my only safe place as I have bad agoraphobia so I couldn't leave my room) He wouldn't leave and wouldn't listen to me and so then I started yelling. His friends heard me and said I

was abusive.

Or this one time my dog got hurt so I put on what I could find and insisted we go to the vet and I was sobbing. He told me he wouldn't take me until I calm down and get dressed better. My dog is ok

Yesterday I was explaining something and he wasn't hearing me and I felt annoyed so I cursed at him

Or I ask him to do something and he doesn't do it and gets annoyed with me when I ask him and he still doesn't do it so I end up getting frustrated with him.

Or the time that I needed him to go to the mailroom

for a package Keep in mind I CANNOT GO INTO THE MAILROOM I'm literally not allowed. He goes for me and he does not look well. There's a pattern of him coming back and saying no package but there's like 5 in there. I got mad at him and lashed out and there truly wasn't a package. I felt awful and apologized.

I lash out because he doesn't take me seriously or takes my feelings lightly and it reminds me of when my abusers would do that to me

I just feel like I have to rely on him a lot and he doesn't put the effort to help me. I'm disabled and I need him but I feel like he doesn't care but I'm still scared I am abusive

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Have you gone for counseling? I would strongly suggest that.

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So I've been with my boyfriend for a while since I was in highschool

Since then we've had a very rocky relationship. I love him, but it's not perfect.

Since then he's done things to convince me or coerce me(?) into sexual acts.

He disrepects my boundaries, teases me and makes fun of me "as a joke" and I told him I don't like it. I would lash out at him when I felt unheard or angry. My boyfriend rarely yells but does things to make me feel unloved inore passive ways

Now we seem a bit better but he still teases me and disrepects my boundaries like touching my butt and pinching me. I tell him stop and he tells me I can say no but he does things without asking first. So I don't know. His friends, hearing me yell once, after he had come home from shopping (I can't leave the house) and didn't get me anything to eat. I called him considerate (wasn't yelling atp) and told him to leave me alone (my room my only safe place as I have bad agoraphobia so I couldn't leave my room) He wouldn't leave and wouldn't listen to me and so then I started yelling. His friends heard me and said I

was abusive.

Or this one time my dog got hurt so I put on what I could find and insisted we go to the vet and I was sobbing. He told me he wouldn't take me until I calm down and get dressed better. My dog is ok

Yesterday I was explaining something and he wasn't hearing me and I felt annoyed so I cursed at him

Or I ask him to do something and he doesn't do it and gets annoyed with me when I ask him and he still doesn't do it so I end up getting frustrated with him.

Or the time that I needed him to go to the mailroom

for a package Keep in mind I CANNOT GO INTO THE MAILROOM I'm literally not allowed. He goes for me and he does not look well. There's a pattern of him coming back and saying no package but there's like 5 in there. I got mad at him and lashed out and there truly wasn't a package. I felt awful and apologized.

I lash out because he doesn't take me seriously or takes my feelings lightly and it reminds me of when my abusers would do that to me

I just feel like I have to rely on him a lot and he doesn't put the effort to help me. I'm disabled and I need him but I feel like he doesn't care but I'm still scared I am abusive

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Have you considered couples counseling? You can find a counselor who will do it online. My daughter and son-in-law are currently doing this over zoom. Any qualified counselor might be able to teach you both better ways to communicate with each other.

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