Degenerative discs irritating nerves, causing foot numbness

Posted by soby @soby, May 28 8:20am

Has anyone had a problem with degenerative discs chemically irritating
nerves, causing foot numbness? No nerve compression, as far as we know.

What did you do for it?

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I am in my late 70s, and have had peripheral neuropathy in my feet for over 25 years, and also have spinal stenosis and degenerative disc disease in my lumbar vertebrae. I have seen two primary care doctors and two neurologists, and they all dismiss the possibility that my neuropathy has any connection to my lumbar spinal problems. Yet, they have no other explanation, and just call it idiopathic neuropathy. I’m convinced that the deterioration in my lumbar spine is at least part of, if not the primary cause of my neuropathy, as the amount and type of pain and discomfort in my feet is affected by position of my spine. The worst discomfort is when I sit in a soft seat for extended time, and right after I go to bed. I’m able to control it enough to tolerate it and to sleep via a combination of gabapentin, foot massage, topical lidocaine, ibuprofen, and light PT.

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@cwloeffler I, have suffered very similar lumbar difficulties. I fully realize that these specialists know a great deal more about these problems than I, but when they label a symptom "idiopathic" they are admitting "they don't know" the cause. Now if that's the case how can they "dismiss" anything since they admitted they just don't know! My personal experience (at times better that an education) in dealing with problems as yours leads me to disagree with your specialists since my specialists CORRECTLY diagnosed that faulty disc alignment, spinal column and chord deterioration in my lumbar region were the exact cause, especially with such similar symptoms as the discomfort caused by sitting in a soft seat for a while. I think the term "idiopathic' has become a "garbage can" term not only by its over use but by the fact it can take away hope from those who dearly need it. It sounds so medically professional and learned, and in many cases can be a doctors' convenient dismissal of a vexing patient. It is also telling the sufferer to get another opinion!

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I had surgery. (L3 L4, L5) I have degenerative disc disease. I suggest you go and get another opinion from a qualified Orthopedic spine surgeon. Sometimes its too late for surgical recovery if the cauda equina has been squished for too long. It can take 10 years for the nerves to remodel.
I have had incredible results with HEME iron supplements + vitamin B supplementation.
When we get old our body doesn't digest the nutrition we give it. Ergo, the nerves react with dysfunction.

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Walking for about 45 minutes gives some partial temporary reief.
I think inflammatory chemicals from DDD are affecting the Myelin.

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@soby what do you mean by DDD?

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@cwloeffler I was absolutely convinced that my PN was due to issues with my back from L-3 to S-1. Mayo along with several top-notch neurosurgeons that I went to outside Mayo said the back is not the cause of PN. All basically said yes, you have back issues, but it has nothing to do with your neuropathy.

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@njed

It is pretty well established that chemicals
from a degenerative disc (without any or much nerve
compression) can affet the nerves.

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Profile picture for cwloeffler @cwloeffler

I am in my late 70s, and have had peripheral neuropathy in my feet for over 25 years, and also have spinal stenosis and degenerative disc disease in my lumbar vertebrae. I have seen two primary care doctors and two neurologists, and they all dismiss the possibility that my neuropathy has any connection to my lumbar spinal problems. Yet, they have no other explanation, and just call it idiopathic neuropathy. I’m convinced that the deterioration in my lumbar spine is at least part of, if not the primary cause of my neuropathy, as the amount and type of pain and discomfort in my feet is affected by position of my spine. The worst discomfort is when I sit in a soft seat for extended time, and right after I go to bed. I’m able to control it enough to tolerate it and to sleep via a combination of gabapentin, foot massage, topical lidocaine, ibuprofen, and light PT.

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@cwloeffler I just turned 70 and have been on the same long journey. I have been in pain for 50 years! Just had an EMG and ultrasound done last week on the right side only (although I have symptoms on both sides) but it showed that I have LFN neuropathy and a LOT of compressed nerves in arms and legs. Also L5-S1 nerve roots have experiencd long standing nerve irritation and damage. (No kidding!) I will see what my neurologist has to say at my appointment tomorrow. I do find that my legs are much worse when I lie down in bed. I have found that even in the summer, lying on my back with my knees up and my feet on a warm (not hot) heating pad seems to help a lot. I also have tried magnesium lotion but it does not seem to help.

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@jchet Degenerative Disc Disease

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@soby what do you mean by the chemicals in DDD

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Profile picture for rockon79 @rockon79

@njed' I too have numbness in the lower right leg and foot with occasional pain especially in the 3rd toe of that foot. As you mentioned at times a description of the changing symptoms is not even clear to me! About 6 years ago stenosis, spondylosis and some osteoporosis in the lumbar region caused ever increasing pain experienced in my spinal area, right butt, leg, foot and toes, along with that incessant numbness. At that point, surgery was the only option because I needed a physical reduction of the pressure on the spinal chord from the narrowing and disc movement. After healing the results were amazing-no pain or numbness!-but in 6 mos the numbness returned, no pain though (which was a blessing). Since then I have been constantly monitored since the stenosis is on going, wide spread and severe. I am now 10 weeks out from my second (and last btw) spinal surgery which completes what could not be totally addressed in the first. My healing and mobility are considered excellent since total recovery is about 9 mos. I still have that damn numbness though! Maybe it will be less at 9 mos, IDK. I am 80 and at times I wonder what is from the spinal chord or just old age! It was almost guaranteed that unless I reduced the stress on my spinal chord more bad things would happen including eventually not be able to walk. I guess I would like to share two points; 1, pain caused by spinal problems can be far reaching and felt in many seemingly unrelated parts of the body, 2,Although I am not super pro surgery- when physical intervention is absolutely needed what else can accomplish that, for the most part anyway? I hate to see people suffer and maybe even misled by trying a "therapy" that simply can't work.

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@rockon79
Hi, I am in a similar position and have had cervical stenosis for years. I am going to have a major investigation with my surgeon, and I expect he will find that there is some impingement on my nerves that may be causing hand and foot numbness. I have had two extensive lab neurology tests and have been taking pregabalin as a result. It gives me a good night's sleep but no imptovement in numbness. The surgeon prescribed tramaccet and celebrex and they have been quite effective for the stenosis pain for about 20 years, but I now have to take it more frequently. Magnesium glycinate probably helps, it the only immediate relief for my feet is applying 1% cortisone cream.
May I ask what your spinal surgery was, I am a bit older, 86, and not in good health so I need to be careful about hospital surgery.
Thanks!

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@panda2ac I have described it in different ways not even clear to me at times. I'll start with what was and now state what is. At first, pins and needles, tingling in toes and side of feet. As time moved on, it went into numbness and a tight sock or tight boot feeling to ankles. Electrical shocks in both legs for about 7 years, that has subsided. All along, numbness got worse and after a few years, developed bilateral drop foot. If I get a stone in my sneaks, it hurts so deep feeling exists. Now....still no pain, tight boot feeling, cool feet and lower legs (on and off), poor balance, best description I tell friends is it feels like your foot fell asleep except it doesn't wake up. Hope this is helpful. Ed

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@njed I have very similar symptoms, but just on my lower right leg. My PT said to wear non-skid socks in the house (the ones you buy, not the loose-fitting ones the hospital gives out). He said the full sole pressure from the hard floors sends magnified messages to the brain, which is attempting to accommodate the disruption in nerve signals coming up, due to the neuropathy.
I also have foot drop, when I walk- for safety-, I remind myself to lift the toes, slow down. I was someone that “buzzed around”, so that’s been a challenge, but who wants to find themselves on the floor. 🙂

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@soby what do you mean by the chemicals in DDD

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@jchet

Degenerative Discs can release chemicals that reach the lumbar/sacral nerves and irritate them....

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