Which form of magnesium for pvc's? Taurate? Glycinate?
I an active, "young" 73. Have had pvc's for a couple months. Heart monitor showed a little over 1000/day and almost as many pac's per day. Dr. Upped my beta-blocker a little, which hasnt helped, and is referring me to a cardiologist (waiting for them to call for appt). Normal EKG and echo essentially normal but GP wants cardiologist to talk to me to explain everything. Magnesium was low side of normal. Have been on a PPI for a year for GERD. I understand serum Mg isn't a great measure of your true Mg situation. Am thinking of taking Mg supplement and for those of you who have been helped by it, what form are you taking? Taurate? Glycinate? Can you recommend a brand? Am so tired of this feeling! I get anxiety on top of it when I start feeling like they'll never go away. I don't want to live like this the rest of my life. Thanks so much!
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Everyone is so different. After a lot of reading I landed on magnesium glycinate for its superior bioavailability. And since reading a post here about CoQ10 I switched that to Ubiquinol. Then I added 500mg taurine. My horrible bedtime postural ectopics have stopped! My heart is so calm at night now. There are studies that support this but I have three cardiologists and all they did was give me beta blockers which barely worked and caused hair loss and interrupted sleep. For what it’s worth this is my new regime along with everything else I’m doing for my heart.
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4 ReactionsWhen I started using ubiquinol on my dog for a heart murmur the Vet also recommended adding taurine. The new dog food we bought had taurine added to it. I take ubiquinol in general because I have had an ablation and occasional issues with PACs and PVCs. Right now I am in a bad period where I am not getting the usual results from 400 mg of ubiquinol for the PVCs act. I think it is time to add Taurine.
Actually not true. Different forms are better than others and differently absorbed form each other....some cause certain side effects while others dont. Some are better for arrythmia than others.....so "picking up the loosest on the shelf" is really unhelpful and untrue.
https://livermedic.com/blogs/learning-center/which-forms-of-magnesium-should-you-be-taking-full-list
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/magnesium-types
https://www.nhc.com/blog/what-type-of-magnesium-is-best-for-heart-palpitations/
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/.
https://www.nmi.health/magnesium-a-review-of-clinical-use-and-efficacy/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8249833/
None of these citation disputes what you claim per se, but they also don't disclaim what I say. They are all salts, if you read the various texts, and they all have a bioavailability to them. They all have different rates of absorption. They all have elemental magnesium, some formulations more than others. They all allow the digestive tract to take up magnesium, and if the kidneys are healthy, what is not needed will be filtered out and excreted within about 36 hours. Bottom line, buy what's cheapest, and use it. You'll get supplemental magnesium.
Made in the UDA is good but you need to find out where the ingredients are sourced from.
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1 ReactionHow much magnesium are you taking. What time of day do you take taurine and mag.?
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1 ReactionI use Bioptimizers magnesium breakthrough (7 forms of magnesium). Recommend by Dr Mark Hyman ( functional medicine Dr) on his podcast
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1 ReactionHello, cgg. I've tried many things to reduce pvc's and mostly pac's, in my case. Two things have worked to reduce them dramatically: 1. Breathing very consciously, deeper than normal, setting up a sequence of breaths in, but on the exhale, purse the lips to control and reduce the stream of air. Doing this for 2-4 minutes frequently stops the PAC's cold. 2. Bending over. I discovered this by accident while in a 3-day extravaganza of PAC's & PVC's: I was leaning over picking up items from the floor, and they "magically" stopped. I then experimented with leaning slightly forward at the computer, and discovered that mine are related to posture. You may have to try some different positions to see how you're affected. 3. A third method that works sometimes is EFT or "tapping." Learn the sequence from online videos; it uses acupressure/acupuncture points, but you simply tap on the points. Watch a video to see how it's done. To my amazement, this often helps stop afib episodes, too. Let me know if any of these things also work for you! Cheers, Diane
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1 ReactionHi, I’m 63 female and have had a few different types of arrhythmia which started suddenly at 46 yrs old…was told by the first electrophysiologist I saw that it was not coming from my heart but caused by autonomic nervous system dysfunction..she put me on metatoporol which didn’t help at all. I had a loop recorder put in by a different dr who said it was not autonomic system disorder. I have seen two other electro Drs who debunked the nervous system disorder diagnosis also. To be honest the regular zio heart monitors that stick on chest did a much better job of picking up the different arrhythmias…so fast forward through the years I’ve worn a monitor a few times mostly I had pacs and pvs some svts .went to gym worked out and it kept them at a reasonable level till recently. Now I seem to have them quite often and last the whole day on and off and it’s very uncomfortable so I understand how you feel. Wore the monitor again , new dr who I really felt was great said pacs and pvcs mostly harmless unless of course feeling dizzy or chest pain. He offered propanol to start if I wanted to take because I did stress to him I don’t really want to be medicated. He did say how many people have these all day long But not feel it apparently I feel every single one.. So I will be experimenting with magnesium taurate or magnesium glycinate after doing a lot of research starting with 200 mg a day
@tntfal First, PACs are benign.......................until their burden, as it is called, reaches about 3% of all beats in any 24 hour period. After that, morbidity rises in the populations polled during the research described by the article I read. This means you can have literally hundreds of PACs every day before your EP would say it's time to do something concrete like to perform a catheter ablation. (The typical heart beats around 38-40K times each day, and 3% of that is around 1200 beats.)
Metoprolol doesn't stop an arrhythmia. It's a 'rate control' medication used to help keep the rate down when your heart is in a tachyarrhythmia. So, it keeps a lid on the high rate....supposedly. Didn't work especially well for me, and as it does for a great many whose hearts are not otherwise defective, and are healthy, it can put us into bradycardia where fainting, swelling extremities, and poor organ function become potential problems.
The salt of magnesium most easily absorbed by the system is magnesium citrate. It is also the form that can give you 'the trots' if you overdo it. So, most physicians recommend magnesium glycinate or bis-glycinate as the next best thing. The other salts, taurate, malate, threonate, etc, have mild benefits for one or more specific conditions, but the evidence is not overwhelming.
It would not be unreasonable to start salting yourself with 200 mg PO, but it's hard to say if you don't know your current RBC levels of magnesium? Were you offered that test to establish a baseline? It would be a great idea. What if you're already skirting the highest point in normal range for RBC Mg? Would it be useful to begin adding 200 mg PO? I would think not. Or, if it's the other direction, would a mere 200 mg be sufficient to get you properly infused and rid of the PACs.....IF....the PACs are being caused by low Mg? Several questions that need addressing in my opinion.