How to clean nebulizer supplies?
I do nebulizer treatments two times a day with 7% saline solution for pulmonary hygiene. I have bronchiectasis. I'm wondering how others clean their nebulizer supplies. I rinse
mine in water and let them air dry. I'm wondering if that's good enough?
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Hello all, I have been watching this conversation develop for several days. How, how much, and how often to clean nebulizer equipment, spacers, Aerobika and similar devices, and nasal lavage equipment is a HUGE topic on all of the Bronchiectasis discussion groups, and even among experts.
Y'all have heard far too much from me over time about what I do and why, and many of you know I am on the high end of risk tolerance, so I'm noy adding my unscientific opinion here.
But, STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. By way of the NTM Info organization, two noted experts in the field, Dr Jennifer Honda and Dr Joe Falkinham and their staff are testing various cleaning and sterilization methods, and hopes to release a definitive report soon.
In the meantime, washing/soaking alone is not enough to eliminate NTM and other pathogens, especially if you already have an infection. But, it is "up in the air" whether daily sterilizing is necessary, how long to boil, which baby bottle sterilizers or microwave bags are best, whether you need to dry the parts after sterilizing, whether vinegar or alcohol work (and at what concentration/for how long.)
Regardless of what you may read on other forums, I'm sorry there is no single answer right now, but be patient.
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6 Reactions@sueinmn Dr Joe has said many times that we need to boil for a minimum of 10 minutes and 1 additional minute for every 1000 feet. I feel that, for me at least, that is the most effective method. I then put the parts in a Grownsy baby bottle sterilizer for the full auto treatment which includes a long drying time and then UV, even if the UV use is argued about.
@bronchiectasaurus Just curious: The manufacturer (Pari) recommends replacement at 6 months. But you are rotating 4 sets, so can you go longer than 6 months before replacing? I only neb once a day at this point. But some people neb twice a day or more, so presumably the more cleaning and sterilizing required, would reduce the life of the equipment. I have two pari sets and I soak, rinse, and sterilize after each use. I do the same daily with the aerobika.
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1 Reaction@beejenigma Yes, the advice is "boil for a minimum of 10 minutes..." Dr Joe & Dr Honda are testing all of this right now to see what is truly necessary.
@ursala7 Not sure why Pari uses the six month rule, but as a long-time user of aerosol nebulizers, I use the "when it stops working, replace it" model for mesh nebulizers. It is pretty obvious when this happens. That said, I neb a few times a week, and my eRapid head is over one year old and still working fine. There is a spare ready in the package.
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1 Reaction@ursala7 I am assuming that using/cleaning/sterilizing a set only once every 4 days (by using 4 sets in daily rotation) will extend the lifespan of each 4x more than with daily use.
When I notice my nebbing sessions taking longer, I clean the mesh heads with distilled water using the cleaning device included with the eRapid/eBase set. I only do that every month or two, as needed.
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I questioned Just Nebulizers about the need for replacement and they said with the regular cleaning and sterilizing like I’m doing I can use them as long as they are performing like they should. I have 4 sets that I only use once a day. They are around a year old and I see no difference in them.
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3 ReactionsThanks for responding. I undoubtedly just threw away a set that was perfectly fine, because I always sterilize after every use, no exceptions. I tried to do a little research on why the company has a 6 month recommendation for lifespan. My research was limited to looking at patient forums and various discussions, because there don't see, to be available scientific studies about this. There seems to be a concern (by patient members within these varius forums) about biofilms growing that are attaching to the equipment and not readily removed through the ordinary cleaning process. I suppose that's more likely if you're only soaking in hot dish soap water and not sterilizing in any manner. I try to gently scrub the pieces with a proxy brush (interdental) I've dedicated for this purpose. But you can't get into the intricate areas. Then rinse. Then I boil for 10 minutes. Hopefully, because of the boiling, my equipment is less likely to grow or maintain these biofilms that can harbor the harmful bacteria. I keep trying to do the best job I can do, but if I were doing more than once a day nebbing, I don't know that I could keep this up!
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1 ReactionI have two neb cups and 2 Aerobikas in constant rotation. I neb with Aerobika 2x day. I soak in Dawn antibacterial water at least 15 mins, rinse, put in Instapot 12 minutes at pressure cook then dry in Wabi dryer 70 minutes. This works for me as I have the dedicated Instapot and Wabi UV dryer in the room where I do airway clearance.
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1 Reaction@wandafanda No manufacturer of nebulizer equipment recommend using the pressure cooker function to sterilize equipment. Boiling is one thing, adding pressure can cause the plastics to break down (this may not be visible to the naked eye.) Can you use your Instapot to just boil?
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