How to clean nebulizer supplies?

Posted by carolmj @carolmj, May 11 9:21am

I do nebulizer treatments two times a day with 7% saline solution for pulmonary hygiene. I have bronchiectasis. I'm wondering how others clean their nebulizer supplies. I rinse
mine in water and let them air dry. I'm wondering if that's good enough?

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I think many of us change our cleaning over time. One important thing, IMO, is that those with more mucus need to be a bit more vigilant in cleaning. I seldom bring up mucus, therefore rinse rather than scrubbing/soaking in soapy water before sterilizing.
I started with boiling the nebulizer and aerobika. A year or two ago, I got a baby bottle sterilizer and I use it for my silicone nasal rinse bottle, the nebulizer, measuring cup, toothbrushes and the jars I use to hold the sterilized distilled water. I run the bottle sterilizer every day or two. I love it. I also use the sterilizer bag the sinus bottles after second use of day. The bags only sterilize 2-3 minutes which may not be long enough to kill some things, but I figure it’ll clean them and the longer bottle sterilizer will prevent biofilm development.

I use vinegar for the spacer and handheld water pik tubing and little tank, but admittedly do that less than I should (prob should 2x/week but have seen no data). I melted a water pik tank bottle sterilizer, as well as 1 toothbrush, but usu toothbrushes are ok.

My doc said I can try nebbing a few times/week since PFT’s are good/stable and scant secretions. I’m still trying to establish a new routine (harder than I expected) and that’ll change cleaning again.

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@carolmj @bronchiectasaurus @pacathy @grammyvictoria @legacygsh1 @rockinkranch @jackie7926 @nickraosr @melinda561 @smc17
Hello all, I have been watching this conversation develop for several days. How, how much, and how often to clean nebulizer equipment, spacers, Aerobika and similar devices, and nasal lavage equipment is a HUGE topic on all of the Bronchiectasis discussion groups, and even among experts.
Y'all have heard far too much from me over time about what I do and why, and many of you know I am on the high end of risk tolerance, so I'm noy adding my unscientific opinion here.

But, STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. By way of the NTM Info organization, two noted experts in the field, Dr Jennifer Honda and Dr Joe Falkinham and their staff are testing various cleaning and sterilization methods, and hopes to release a definitive report soon.

In the meantime, washing/soaking alone is not enough to eliminate NTM and other pathogens, especially if you already have an infection. But, it is "up in the air" whether daily sterilizing is necessary, how long to boil, which baby bottle sterilizers or microwave bags are best, whether you need to dry the parts after sterilizing, whether vinegar or alcohol work (and at what concentration/for how long.)

Regardless of what you may read on other forums, I'm sorry there is no single answer right now, but be patient.

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@carolmj @bronchiectasaurus @pacathy @grammyvictoria @legacygsh1 @rockinkranch @jackie7926 @nickraosr @melinda561 @smc17
Hello all, I have been watching this conversation develop for several days. How, how much, and how often to clean nebulizer equipment, spacers, Aerobika and similar devices, and nasal lavage equipment is a HUGE topic on all of the Bronchiectasis discussion groups, and even among experts.
Y'all have heard far too much from me over time about what I do and why, and many of you know I am on the high end of risk tolerance, so I'm noy adding my unscientific opinion here.

But, STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. By way of the NTM Info organization, two noted experts in the field, Dr Jennifer Honda and Dr Joe Falkinham and their staff are testing various cleaning and sterilization methods, and hopes to release a definitive report soon.

In the meantime, washing/soaking alone is not enough to eliminate NTM and other pathogens, especially if you already have an infection. But, it is "up in the air" whether daily sterilizing is necessary, how long to boil, which baby bottle sterilizers or microwave bags are best, whether you need to dry the parts after sterilizing, whether vinegar or alcohol work (and at what concentration/for how long.)

Regardless of what you may read on other forums, I'm sorry there is no single answer right now, but be patient.

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@sueinmn Dr Joe has said many times that we need to boil for a minimum of 10 minutes and 1 additional minute for every 1000 feet. I feel that, for me at least, that is the most effective method. I then put the parts in a Grownsy baby bottle sterilizer for the full auto treatment which includes a long drying time and then UV, even if the UV use is argued about.

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I neb once a day and have 4 Pari eRapid handset sets. After each use I take apart the handset and rinse every part under hot tap water, then put them in a mesh colander/bowl with a lid (to keep my cats from fishing out the blue silicone valves, which they think are toys) to dry. On the fourth day, after rinsing as usual, I soak the aerosolizing mesh parts in soapy water for 5-10 minutes while I bring a pot of distilled water to boil. I rinse off the soap, put the mesh parts back with everything else, dump the lot into the boiling distilled water and simmer for 11 minutes. Then I remove everything with tongs and place in a bottle sterilizer I use only for drying, and use the 40-minute dry cycle.

I replace the distilled water every 1-2 weeks.

Until recently I used 2 handsets and boiled every other day; I'm just starting this every-4-days system. So far I am relieved to only have to boil half as often. I'm clawing back time wherever I can.

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@bronchiectasaurus Just curious: The manufacturer (Pari) recommends replacement at 6 months. But you are rotating 4 sets, so can you go longer than 6 months before replacing? I only neb once a day at this point. But some people neb twice a day or more, so presumably the more cleaning and sterilizing required, would reduce the life of the equipment. I have two pari sets and I soak, rinse, and sterilize after each use. I do the same daily with the aerobika.

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@sueinmn Dr Joe has said many times that we need to boil for a minimum of 10 minutes and 1 additional minute for every 1000 feet. I feel that, for me at least, that is the most effective method. I then put the parts in a Grownsy baby bottle sterilizer for the full auto treatment which includes a long drying time and then UV, even if the UV use is argued about.

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@beejenigma Yes, the advice is "boil for a minimum of 10 minutes..." Dr Joe & Dr Honda are testing all of this right now to see what is truly necessary.

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@bronchiectasaurus Just curious: The manufacturer (Pari) recommends replacement at 6 months. But you are rotating 4 sets, so can you go longer than 6 months before replacing? I only neb once a day at this point. But some people neb twice a day or more, so presumably the more cleaning and sterilizing required, would reduce the life of the equipment. I have two pari sets and I soak, rinse, and sterilize after each use. I do the same daily with the aerobika.

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@ursala7 Not sure why Pari uses the six month rule, but as a long-time user of aerosol nebulizers, I use the "when it stops working, replace it" model for mesh nebulizers. It is pretty obvious when this happens. That said, I neb a few times a week, and my eRapid head is over one year old and still working fine. There is a spare ready in the package.

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@bronchiectasaurus Just curious: The manufacturer (Pari) recommends replacement at 6 months. But you are rotating 4 sets, so can you go longer than 6 months before replacing? I only neb once a day at this point. But some people neb twice a day or more, so presumably the more cleaning and sterilizing required, would reduce the life of the equipment. I have two pari sets and I soak, rinse, and sterilize after each use. I do the same daily with the aerobika.

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@ursala7 I am assuming that using/cleaning/sterilizing a set only once every 4 days (by using 4 sets in daily rotation) will extend the lifespan of each 4x more than with daily use.

When I notice my nebbing sessions taking longer, I clean the mesh heads with distilled water using the cleaning device included with the eRapid/eBase set. I only do that every month or two, as needed.

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@bronchiectasaurus Just curious: The manufacturer (Pari) recommends replacement at 6 months. But you are rotating 4 sets, so can you go longer than 6 months before replacing? I only neb once a day at this point. But some people neb twice a day or more, so presumably the more cleaning and sterilizing required, would reduce the life of the equipment. I have two pari sets and I soak, rinse, and sterilize after each use. I do the same daily with the aerobika.

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@ursala7
I questioned Just Nebulizers about the need for replacement and they said with the regular cleaning and sterilizing like I’m doing I can use them as long as they are performing like they should. I have 4 sets that I only use once a day. They are around a year old and I see no difference in them.

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Thanks for responding. I undoubtedly just threw away a set that was perfectly fine, because I always sterilize after every use, no exceptions. I tried to do a little research on why the company has a 6 month recommendation for lifespan. My research was limited to looking at patient forums and various discussions, because there don't see, to be available scientific studies about this. There seems to be a concern (by patient members within these varius forums) about biofilms growing that are attaching to the equipment and not readily removed through the ordinary cleaning process. I suppose that's more likely if you're only soaking in hot dish soap water and not sterilizing in any manner. I try to gently scrub the pieces with a proxy brush (interdental) I've dedicated for this purpose. But you can't get into the intricate areas. Then rinse. Then I boil for 10 minutes. Hopefully, because of the boiling, my equipment is less likely to grow or maintain these biofilms that can harbor the harmful bacteria. I keep trying to do the best job I can do, but if I were doing more than once a day nebbing, I don't know that I could keep this up!

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I have two neb cups and 2 Aerobikas in constant rotation. I neb with Aerobika 2x day. I soak in Dawn antibacterial water at least 15 mins, rinse, put in Instapot 12 minutes at pressure cook then dry in Wabi dryer 70 minutes. This works for me as I have the dedicated Instapot and Wabi UV dryer in the room where I do airway clearance.

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I have two neb cups and 2 Aerobikas in constant rotation. I neb with Aerobika 2x day. I soak in Dawn antibacterial water at least 15 mins, rinse, put in Instapot 12 minutes at pressure cook then dry in Wabi dryer 70 minutes. This works for me as I have the dedicated Instapot and Wabi UV dryer in the room where I do airway clearance.

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@wandafanda No manufacturer of nebulizer equipment recommend using the pressure cooker function to sterilize equipment. Boiling is one thing, adding pressure can cause the plastics to break down (this may not be visible to the naked eye.) Can you use your Instapot to just boil?

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