Collagen for bone loss? Effective?

@daisy17
@joyboudreau
@mariahcb
and anyone interested in Collagen:
Hello to all.
I'd like to add some comments about Fortibone collagen.

Fortibone is developed by Gelita: it also offers Verisol,
Verigel, and Tendoforte which are other types of Collagen.
The study referred to in this thread was partially
funded by Gelita.

SCP means specific collagen peptides.
The study mention Gelita.

There have been other positive studies with Fortibone 1
without Gelita involvement.
Look at bottom of clinical studies for Conflict of Interest.

Peptides are another word for hydrolized, which means
processed to make it easier to consume.

Gelita does not sell directly to consumers. Different companies
package and sell this product under their own brand names.

You can write Gelita, as I have, to get a list of Brands that
have their products. The list may have changed since I
wrote many months ago. I asked specifically for Type 1.

Very few brands have only Type 1 Collagen.
There are only a handful that I've been able to find.
Many brands mix Type 1 and Type 3 Fortibone.
When buying the mixed, it is difficult to know what proportion
of Type 1 or Type 3 you are consuming in a daily scoop.

I am unaware of studies done with Type 1 and Type 3
together, and if this mix helps bone density.
Clinical tests that show improvement for bone density
were done with Type 1 only.

Interested in your input and opinions.
Thanks.

@debbie1956
Hello Debbie

re Organika Enhanced Protein formula that you mention:
can you forward link that says it is Type 1.
I cannot find the information that it is Type 1
https://organika.com/collections/joints-bones

@melia7
| @geranium1

Fortibone type 1
I have not tried it yet, but expect to order from
one of these suppliers soon.

thank you Melia for information on Aportha:
that's a new name for my list.
I wonder if Amazon Germany would ship to
Canada.
If you have that link, would appreciate it.

The other names on my list are:
Regeneros...look on their website...unfortunately
they do not ship to Canada.
Their name was mentioned by Gelita.

Keith McCormick Osteonaturals:
Does not ship to Canada.
Looks like a good product.

BoneBalance in the U.K. was mentioned by someone
on MayoConnect:
BoneBalance reply was they do ship to Canada.
There is a minimum order necessary.

I've asked NBI if they would have it in the future:
waiting for an answer. But then, they may not
ship to Canada.

Haven't check Fullscript

As you see, there are not many who sell Fortibone
Type 1 only..

I would rather spend more and get the right
product, I know it is expensive with shipping.

Anyone else with ideas?

To @mpc1 @debbie1956 I was just diagnosed this year at 63 YO. My spine and hip DeXa score are similar to yours (spine -3.2, hip -2-2). I have also opted not to go on medications. Can you tell me what actions you are taking to slow down/reverse your bone loss?

I had to ask my endocrinologist to do the tests to rule out any underlying causes. Vitamin D deficiency and low intake of calcium were the only items of concern.

I just started collagen this month. I use OsteoNaturals sold by Dr McCormick. I also eat a balanced diet, trying to get more than the minimum amount recommended by the RDA of calcium and proteins. I make sure I include prunes (everyday), kale, salmon, apple cider vinegar, broccoli, lean proteins, yogurt, cheeses, fermented foods etc. into my diet. I take a Vitamin D supplement (it has Vitamin D3, K1,K2). I average 8,000 steps a day. I do Dr Loren Fishman’s 12 yoga poses every other day. I lift weights 2-3 times a week, although I haven’t gone past 10 pounds yet. I do balancing exercises. I also play golf 2-3 times a week!!

I only weigh 100 pounds, and have read that thin and fine boned women’s DEXA scores can be skewed to be worse than they actually are because of the small size of their bones. I wish there was a definitive way to find out!! My CTX score is not crazy (479) so I am not rapidly destroying bone; I am trying to work on this by looking for foods that lower osteoclast activity. My P1NP is 63.

Reading @mpc1 story, I feel as if OP has a lot to do with genetics. My grandmother and mother both had OP. They never went on medications; it wasn’t invented yet for my grandma which was probably a good thing! She fractured her wrist in her 80s and she lived until she was 95. My mother refused medication in the 1990s. She fractured just last year at 90 years old when she tripped and fell; she had a hip replacement and she was walking the next day!!. She still drives!! I hope my genes take after them!!

I am going to get a DEXA next year even if I have to pay for it and see if my efforts help. I will also look for a place that can do a TBS score. If I get worse, it will be a difficult decision about medication because I feel strong and am so active now. If I am holding steady, then it will be a win because all the other things I am doing is beneficial for my body. I feel scared about all the side effects people experience with the meds, and it’s not from reading about it!! I have several friends who have taken them (fosamax, reclast, prolia), and they have joint pains, flu like symptoms, and 1 of them has experienced multiple fractures while on Prolia!! My friend who is on Prolia has had skin and eye problems (she never has them before), and this is a person who was very active; she lifted weights, would jog for miles!!

To @mpc1 @debbie1956 I was just diagnosed this year at 63 YO. My spine and hip DeXa score are similar to yours (spine -3.2, hip -2-2). I have also opted not to go on medications. Can you tell me what actions you are taking to slow down/reverse your bone loss?

I had to ask my endocrinologist to do the tests to rule out any underlying causes. Vitamin D deficiency and low intake of calcium were the only items of concern.

I just started collagen this month. I use OsteoNaturals sold by Dr McCormick. I also eat a balanced diet, trying to get more than the minimum amount recommended by the RDA of calcium and proteins. I make sure I include prunes (everyday), kale, salmon, apple cider vinegar, broccoli, lean proteins, yogurt, cheeses, fermented foods etc. into my diet. I take a Vitamin D supplement (it has Vitamin D3, K1,K2). I average 8,000 steps a day. I do Dr Loren Fishman’s 12 yoga poses every other day. I lift weights 2-3 times a week, although I haven’t gone past 10 pounds yet. I do balancing exercises. I also play golf 2-3 times a week!!

I only weigh 100 pounds, and have read that thin and fine boned women’s DEXA scores can be skewed to be worse than they actually are because of the small size of their bones. I wish there was a definitive way to find out!! My CTX score is not crazy (479) so I am not rapidly destroying bone; I am trying to work on this by looking for foods that lower osteoclast activity. My P1NP is 63.

Reading @mpc1 story, I feel as if OP has a lot to do with genetics. My grandmother and mother both had OP. They never went on medications; it wasn’t invented yet for my grandma which was probably a good thing! She fractured her wrist in her 80s and she lived until she was 95. My mother refused medication in the 1990s. She fractured just last year at 90 years old when she tripped and fell; she had a hip replacement and she was walking the next day!!. She still drives!! I hope my genes take after them!!

I am going to get a DEXA next year even if I have to pay for it and see if my efforts help. I will also look for a place that can do a TBS score. If I get worse, it will be a difficult decision about medication because I feel strong and am so active now. If I am holding steady, then it will be a win because all the other things I am doing is beneficial for my body. I feel scared about all the side effects people experience with the meds, and it’s not from reading about it!! I have several friends who have taken them (fosamax, reclast, prolia), and they have joint pains, flu like symptoms, and 1 of them has experienced multiple fractures while on Prolia!! My friend who is on Prolia has had skin and eye problems (she never has them before), and this is a person who was very active; she lifted weights, would jog for miles!!

@shelldct1 Yes your numbers are very similar to mine and I am also petite at 5 ft. 1.5. 130 lbs. Wow, you are doing everything you can. Your supplements and diet are much like mine, except I also take collagen. In addition I started taking BHRT in July of 2024 with small dose Estrodot patch .25 and mycrolized Progesterone. You may have read my post that the BHRT has been hugely successful bringing down my CTX from 688 to .99 with possible slight BMD gain from -3 to -2.6. All the best to you.

@debbie1956
@daisy17
@joyboudreau
@mariahcb
@geranium1
@melia7
@drsuefowler

and others....sorry if I missed your name here..

you might be interested in this video:
I just saw it last night, it's about a month old,
he is quite meticulous and detailed: plus he mentions names
he doesn't recommend.

again, looking forward to input and suggestions.
thanks