Extremely high calcium score at 42 - is there any positive here??

Posted by steveny @steveny, Jul 8, 2022

I'm a 42-year-old male. Exercise regularly, not overweight, non-smoker. While not overweight, I will say that my diet is crap -- way too much fast food, pizza etc. I guess I still eat like a high schooler.

Anyway, I saw a cardiologist figuring after age 40 this would be wise. He took bloodwork which was basically all fine. The cholesterol was *slightly* elevated and he recommended getting a heart calcium score. Told me he expected it would show nothing but that he just wanted to be thorough. Turns out the score came back at 397.

Obviously, this caught me totally flat-footed. I figured with my diet there might be some plaque, but this number places me in the 99.999th percentile for my age. And everything I have read online sound pretty dire about my long-term prognosis now -- that significant damage has been done, that it can't be reversed and can only get worse and that the statistical linkage between a number like this and heart attack-stroke is profound.

Weirdly, the cardiologist did not seem to be conveying any alarm when he told me the score, though. He was extremely matter of fact about it. Just said it was "very, very high" and that he would put me on a statin (which I've already started) and that I should take daily baby aspirin (doing that too). He said I should focus on improving diet and continue exercising (I already run 4-5x a week) but he was also pretty emphatic that "this must be genetic." (There is a history of heart problems on my father's side of the family -- though he is 76 and has yet to have any heart trouble himself.)

This was all a lot to get hit with at once. From the doctor's casual, matter of fact tone, I left the office a little confused, wondering if maybe this score wasn't that big of a deal and was a very manageable thing. Why else would the doctor not seem that disturbed by it? But then I started reading everything I could find on the subject and it's been pretty devastating.

Obviously, I'm ready, willing and able to implement the dietary changes, but for the score to be this bad at this young of an age (and with no smoking history, not being overweight, and doing regular exercise), it seems like I'm in serious trouble here. So upsetting to read that I can't bring this number down.

I guess I'm just posting this in the hopes that others here might have some experience and insight and be able to offer something, anything that is encouraging? When I read all of the medical material online about high CAC scores, am I missing something? This has all been playing out over the last 24 hours and I feel like I've basically just found out that I could drop dead of a heart attack at any moment and that my life expectancy has been drastically reduced with this news -- and that there's no way to get it back to normal. I now have a million questions for the cardiologist, but when I called his office today I was told he's just started his vacation and won't be back until August.

Any encouragement or practical advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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I am truly so sorry. I just had a calcium screening at the end of March and had a score of 283 all in one major artery. I was mindblown. 53, female, active, great diet, don’t smoke, etc. My dad and brother died young from heart disease as did uncles and cousins. Those genetics are strong!

To start, those first few days were awful! Denial, way too much google research, feeling like I was going to die any minute. My cardiology appointment was similar to yours and meds the same.

I’ve gotten to a pretty good place now. I’m doing the best I can, and hopefully biannual stress tests and annual cardiology will catch if there is an issue before it is an issue.

My sister (ER doc) recommended The Nutrition Proposition to help navigate dietary changes. That helped. And I am pretty type A so seriously managing stress.

I don’t know if this helps, but it’s where I landed. I may not live to 90. Maybe not 80. But in a week, I’ll have outlived my dad, and that’s something. I am trying to be aware of what causes me stress and to be very active and do what I love. I can’t outrun this, literally or figuratively. But I can do the best I can to enjoy life, hopefully reduce progression, and be in good enough shape to live through surgical interventions when they come.

Hang in there and be gentle with yourself.

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I had a CAC test when I was about 63 and the score was 535. I am now 80 and had a second CAC and the score was over 2000. I have needed two stents but have not had a heart attack.

Blood tests show a high Lp(a) which is the source of my problems. It is a very dense LDL particle which has a little tail on it which burrows into the artery wall causing the build up of plaque. It is genetic and not affected by diet or exercise.

The "Good News" is that there are medications to be released soon that directly target Lp(a). I understand two pills will be released in 2026 and an injectable in 2028.

I send good wishes to everyone who has a CAC score more than zero.

Donna

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I had a CAC test when I was about 63 and the score was 535. I am now 80 and had a second CAC and the score was over 2000. I have needed two stents but have not had a heart attack.

Blood tests show a high Lp(a) which is the source of my problems. It is a very dense LDL particle which has a little tail on it which burrows into the artery wall causing the build up of plaque. It is genetic and not affected by diet or exercise.

The "Good News" is that there are medications to be released soon that directly target Lp(a). I understand two pills will be released in 2026 and an injectable in 2028.

I send good wishes to everyone who has a CAC score more than zero.

Donna

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I also have a high calcium score and LP(a). Pelacarsen is the first drug that should be available within a year. The FDA has agreed to fast track it as it will be the only medication to lower LP(a). The final trials finish this month. It will be a monthly injection. The pills with even better lowering effect won't be around for a couple more years.

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I also have a high calcium score and LP(a). Pelacarsen is the first drug that should be available within a year. The FDA has agreed to fast track it as it will be the only medication to lower LP(a). The final trials finish this month. It will be a monthly injection. The pills with even better lowering effect won't be around for a couple more years.

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Thanks for all the additional information. I see my cardio in June and maybe by then she will have enough info to feel comfortable prescribing it.

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Thanks for all the additional information. I see my cardio in June and maybe by then she will have enough info to feel comfortable prescribing it.

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I'm afraid it won't be approved by June but your cardiologist should certainly know about it and can explain how it works and keep an eye out for when it finally comes to market. I'm a nurse and when I know anything more, I will post. I just hope it's this year! Also, I read a lot of research and mega doses of vitamin D might add more calcium to the cardiac arteries while a lower dose might help! I take only 1,000 IU now (25 mcg) I used to take 5,000 IU ! Vitamin D is important but not that high a dose!

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I'm afraid it won't be approved by June but your cardiologist should certainly know about it and can explain how it works and keep an eye out for when it finally comes to market. I'm a nurse and when I know anything more, I will post. I just hope it's this year! Also, I read a lot of research and mega doses of vitamin D might add more calcium to the cardiac arteries while a lower dose might help! I take only 1,000 IU now (25 mcg) I used to take 5,000 IU ! Vitamin D is important but not that high a dose!

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Thank you for the update. I take 2000 IUs of D3 as that controls my restless legs. But I don't take calcium and I eat very little in the way of dairy products because of the cholesterol issue. Maybe I will try to back down the Vit D3 to 1500 and see if that still controls the RLS.

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Thank you for the update. I take 2000 IUs of D3 as that controls my restless legs. But I don't take calcium and I eat very little in the way of dairy products because of the cholesterol issue. Maybe I will try to back down the Vit D3 to 1500 and see if that still controls the RLS.

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Please don't cut back on the vitamin D. 2000 is not a mega dose and if it
helps you then it's fine. Dairy is fine as long as it's fat free.
Cholesterol in food doesn't raise your cholesterol in the body. Saturated
fats do. As for calcium.. you need it a lot for your bones. It isn't the
same as the calcium in the calcium score for your heart! That's "calcified
plaque" it isn't actually caused by eating anything with calcium.

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Thanks Plume. I don't take calcium supps to reduce the possibility of calcification of plaque. I have occasional bone density tests, the most recent being just a couple of months ago and this test and the one a couple of years earlier shows slight improvement in bone density which is likely due to the amount of exercise I get. So, I think I am getting enough calcium from broccoli, dark leafy greens, almonds and other plant sources.

You are so kind to take the time to address these issues with me. Thank you.

Donna

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I am sorry about your calcium score. It must be unnerving. I am 68 and have a 0 calcium score, but my carotid is blocked 60%, and my aorta has calcification. I went on the Esselstyn diet for a while. I actually paid to take his course and speak with him. I lost way too much weight. I went from 130 to 117. My sister went from 105 to 95. We both stopped, but it made us very aware of what we were eating. You don’t to take the course, just watch his YouTube. His wife and daughter gave a YouTube food channel. It didn’t lower my ldl much, and recently I found out I have LP (a). That is probably the reason. I was very freaked and my sister has it too. We have taken good care of ourselves over the years, so that was tough to take.

I tried 2 different statins and added ezetimibe. It lowered my LDL to 60. My endocrinologist wants it to be 30. Pharmaceuticals are the only way to do it. Recently, I realized the pain I was having was from the statin:( I stopped taking them and feel much better.
Now my Dr has me on Praluent injections. Cha...ching...pricey. I will add the ezetimibe back when the side effects go away...I hope.

I liked Peter Attia's book Outlive. It has a well rounded way of living. Food, exercise, sleep, stress, face past trauma.

I am looking forward to that new medication for LP a. I tried to get on the Eli Lilly study, but I am too healthy. They are looking for people with obesity, diabetes, HBP ...
You just need to research and do what you can do to have a healthier lifestyle. I hope something here helped you. Best wishes.

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Just in case anyone has been following this and finding it useful (or finds this thread later), I wanted to post one more update on my situation. I think this will be the last one.

Basically, I have:

* A lipid profile that looks completely normal (and even good), except for *slightly* elevated LDL

* No direct (parents/sibling) family history of heart attack, but there is some heart disease further out in the family tree (great-uncles on my dad's side, diabetes in my grandfather, bypass surgery for my dad's brother)

* A 10-year event risk score of <2% on all traditional calculators -- meaning that I never met any criteria for getting a calcium test and no doctor ever looked at my bloodwork and thought I might have any issues with my heart

* Nonetheless, a cardiologist this spring suggested that -- for peace of mind -- I pay 100 bucks and take a calcium test. He expected it would come back 0. Instead it came back 397.

* Since then, I have been on a journey to try to understand my situation/prognosis. I was placed on a statin, which almost immediately brought my lipid levels to the target range (<70 LDL), passed a stress test with an echo, and had a CT-angiogram. I've also made significant changes to my diet. Pretty much terrified of eating sugar, meat, dairy, processed/fried foods etc.

I have also consulted with several cardiologists and have gotten some mixed signals. The main cardiologist, who initially suggested the CAC test, is well-credentialed and experienced and has been adamant since the score came back that I shouldn't be worrying. He insists that I don't have a problem, only the potential for one, and that aggressive statin use and diet/exercise will prevent me from having a problem. He said that when the initial calcium score came back and said it even more adamantly this week when the CT-angiogram results came back. In fact, he told me that the angiogram showed only a minimal amount of plaque in my arteries, nothing that he would even consider out of the ordinary for someone my age. I was encouraged by his assessment but also confused, since none of the material I've read has suggested that a sky-high CAC score is as easily treatable as he says it is.

So I followed up with another very well-credentialed cardiologist yesterday. He reviewed all of the tests and materials. Overall, he agreed with the approach of aggressive statin use combined with diet/exercise and did talk about this as a condition that I can potentially live a long life with - provided that we arrest the plaque progression now. But he disagreed with the other cardiologist's assessment that the CT-angiogram only showed "minimal" plaque in my arteries. He said it looks to him like a significant amount, especially for someone my age. So while it's good news that the angiogram showed nothing even close to a blockage, it did show plaque that could at some point rupture and cause an event. He stressed that my day to day odds of this are "negligible," but I then asked him if he could put some numbers on what my risks are. He said that my case is unusual in that -- as I mentioned -- there's nothing in my lipid profile that would normally even prompt a calcium test and that without the CAC score, he would calculate my 10-year risk for an event at less than 1%. But with the score of 397 factored in, he says it takes my risk up to 8-9%. I asked what statin use could lower it too. He guessed that we could get it back closer to 3%, but then actually used his risk calculator and told me the number is 5%.

I think I am going to accept this as the last word on what I'm dealing with. I found this second cardiologist to be very knowledgeable and willing to explain and talk through everything. So I think that is my risk: There is a 1 in 20 chance that I will have a heart attack in the next 10 years. For someone without my CAC score, it would be more like 1 in 120. This seems much more realistic to me than the first cardiologist's adamant/data-free assertions that "we know how to treat this and there's nothing for you to be worrying about here." The reality is that I have about a 6-fold increased risk of a heart attack over someone my age with no CAC. Overall, of course, I have a 95% chance of no heart attack in the next 10 years too, and that's what the cardiologist I saw yesterday wanted to stress. So my challenge will now be try to think of it that way and move forward. But it will be tough for me. When I think of 1 in 20, it doesn't sound so remote. I imagine being one of 20 people lined up in front of an execution squad, where they get to pick one to kill. I'd be very uneasy that it would be me. A lot more uneasy than if I was 1 of 120 people. That's the kind of stuff going through my mind right now. The only thing I wish I had asked him before leaving was if that computed 5% risk (which is based on statin use) might be further reduced with diet/exercise. I imagine the answer is that it can't hurt, but obviously I'd love if there might be a quantifiable reduction. Mentally, I could probably process a 2-3% risk much better than a 5% risk.

So that's that. I'm 42. I have atherosclerosis. It's a mystery why I got it. And the plaque load I have is extensive for someone my age. I will follow the guidance om statins and hope that my current dedication to a healthy diet/exercise regimen will persist. But even with this, there's no getting around the plaque that I already have. It's there, it could rupture for reasons unknown at any minute, and the chance that it will in the next 10 years -- while low in the grand scheme of things -- is much higher for me than for most other 42 year olds. I've just known of too many "healthy" people in their 40s and early 50s having sudden heart attacks; it will be difficult for me to try to live my life with this knowledge. It's just the way I'm wired, I think.

Good luck to everyone here dealing with high CAC issues and to any others who might read this in the future.

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Can you it get a pacemaker/ defibrillator? My dad had one and saved his life in many occasions. Gave us an extra 10 years

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