Can Coughing Increase Size and Risk of Aortic Anuerysm

Posted by mjm3 @mjm3, Jan 28 4:19pm

I am 67 years old with an ascending aortic aneurysm diagnosed last July at 4.1. I am scheduled for a six month CT angiogram next month to check for any growth – which I’m hoping there is none. However, over the last few weeks I’ve been battling a cold that turned into bronchitis that turned into mild pneumonia. Subsequently, I developed a cough that could be quite jarring at times. Late night googling found many different sources of contradictory information, but one stuck out that said “yes, coughing can be very dangerous for an ascending aortic aneurysm.” it did not specify how it was dangerous.
I have tried to contact my cardiologist twice about this and I must not be asking my question correctly because the nurse calls back with the reply that if I have questions about a cough, see my general practitioner. The GP said she’s not a cardiologist ask my cardiologist. It’s a vicious cycle. The urgent care doctor that prescribed antibiotics for the pneumonia had no idea about a cough correlating to a risk of aneurysm, but said to ask my cardiologist😵‍💫. Just wondering if anyone else had asked or spoken to their doctors about coughing, and if it causes the aneurysm to expand rapidly? I hope I don’t sound crazy, but I’m just really concerned about everything with this newly diagnosed issue. I want to be as safe as I can, but how do you prevent yourself from coughing when you’re sick. Cough medicine only goes so far. Thanks for any insight.

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@glendamn

I have a 4.4 ascending aneurysm and through the whole month of Dec , coughed like a demon! I used a lot of buckleys!!!! Cough and cold meds can be iffy for BPressure . I’m female and in the shorter side . I have an echo scheduled for June . So we shall see if it’s gotten bigger?? Did I worry ?? I sure did !!!!!

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I dissected completely and suddenly in 2015. I am very lucky to be alive. It is a horror show, I can promise you. I'm not sure when you got that 4.4cm reading, but if it was more than a year ago, I'd get a CT scan with contrast done immediately at the best imaging center you can find in a major heart care center (Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, UCSD, U of Minnesota, U of Texas - Houston, etc.). Just saying...peace.

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You should also be getting a referral to a thoracic aortic surgeon as soon as possible. Cardiologists and primary care doctors play a role in monitoring an aneurysm, but they don’t fix them—surgeons do. A thoracic aortic surgeon is the only specialist truly qualified to assess the long-term risks, determine the best monitoring plan, and decide when (or if) intervention is needed. Many cardiologists, even very good ones, simply don’t have the expertise in aortic pathology to fully evaluate what’s going on beyond the standard “watch and wait” approach. Surgeons, on the other hand, spend their careers seeing how these aneurysms behave over time, understanding the subtleties of surgical timing, and weighing the risk of waiting versus intervening. Personally, I would not trust anyone but a surgeon who specializes in aortic disease to tell me whether I need surgery, how often I should be scanned, or what my true level of risk is. You don’t need to be scheduling surgery tomorrow, but you do need to establish a relationship with the specialist who will be responsible for making those calls down the road. Peace

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@moonboy

I’m not a doctor and I’m not giving medical advice, but I am a 10-year survivor of a complete and sudden aortic dissection, and I’ve spent a lot of time learning about aortic disease, navigating the medical system, and advocating for my own care.

ONE: You should also be getting a referral to a thoracic aortic surgeon as soon as possible. Cardiologists and primary care doctors play a role in monitoring an aneurysm, but they don’t fix them—surgeons do. A thoracic aortic surgeon is the only specialist truly qualified to assess the long-term risks, determine the best monitoring plan, and decide when (or if) intervention is needed. Many cardiologists, even very good ones, simply don’t have the expertise in aortic pathology to fully evaluate what’s going on beyond the standard “watch and wait” approach. Surgeons, on the other hand, spend their careers seeing how these aneurysms behave over time, understanding the subtleties of surgical timing, and weighing the risk of waiting versus intervening. Personally, I would not trust anyone but a surgeon who specializes in aortic disease to tell me whether I need surgery, how often I should be scanned, or what my true level of risk is. You don’t need to be scheduling surgery tomorrow, but you do need to establish a relationship with the specialist who will be responsible for making those calls down the road.

A 4.1 cm ascending thoracic aortic aneurysm falls into that gray area where it’s technically “mild,” but still something that requires monitoring. The real question isn’t just the size—it’s what else is going on with the aorta. Growth rate, family history, connective tissue disorders, blood pressure control, and valve function all play a role in risk assessment.

TWO: You’re absolutely right to push for a cardiologist. Aneurysms aren’t primary care medicine, and it’s frustrating when you meet resistance just trying to get in the right hands. A primary care doctor saying, “See you in 2-3 years” might be reasonable for a completely stable, slow-growing aneurysm, but it’s not a sufficient plan without deeper evaluation—especially if this was only diagnosed a few months ago. I get scanned every 12 months at a world class heart care center with state of the art CT with contrast, University of Minnesota - Minneapolis.

When you talk to your doctor on Monday , you might want to emphasize:

a. You want an aortic specialist or a cardiologist experienced in aortic disease. Not all cardiologists focus on aortic pathology, and a general cardiologist may not have the expertise to assess your long-term risk.
b. You need to know the growth rate. Did they compare this to any prior scans? Was it previously smaller, or is this a new finding?
c. You want a clear monitoring plan. Ask why they think 2-3 years is an appropriate timeline and if more frequent imaging (every 6-12 months) is warranted given your age and aneurysm location.

THREE: Exercise and Elevation
Again, not medical advice, but elevation and exercise are common concerns with aortic aneurysms. Some things to ask your doctor:
a. Blood pressure response at high altitudes – The body compensates for lower oxygen levels at high elevation by increasing heart rate and blood pressure, which can stress the aortic wall.
b. Valsalva maneuvers – Anything that causes sudden spikes in blood pressure (heavy lifting, straining, intense isometric exercise) can be risky for an aneurysm.
c. Cardio limits – Many doctors recommend low-to-moderate intensity exercise rather than pushing into high-intensity zones. Hiking is often fine, but with precautions.
d. Medication adjustments – Some people with aneurysms are put on beta-blockers or other medications to reduce stress on the aorta, especially if they are active.

FOUR: Coughing and Aortic Disease
A strong, uncontrolled cough can spike intrathoracic pressure and cause strain on the aortic wall. If you ever develop a chronic cough, shortness of breath, or any weird chest sensations, it’s worth bringing up. Some people with aneurysms (especially near the arch) have symptoms that can get dismissed as “normal” but are actually the aorta compressing nearby structures.

If you’re not getting the answers you need, keep pushing. Many of us with aortic disease have had to advocate hard to get the right specialist. Aneurysms are serious, even when they’re considered “mild,” and getting ahead of the game now can make all the difference later. Peace.

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Thank you so much for such a thorough and thoughtful answer to my question. Since 4.1 was my baseline – first aortic aneurysm measurement I have nothing else to go by. I have no idea how long I’ve had it. It was discovered as an incidental, finding during a CT angiogram to rule out any blockages after an unusual Blood pressure spike that was severe enough to put me in the hospital overnight, where they could not find anything that could’ve caused a spike. This post pneumonia cough has been driving me crazy for the last week, but it has not been chronic. It has been jarring at times. My cardiologist did get back to me yesterday and said there is “relatively low risk for even a harsh cough over several weeks to cause an aneurysm concern” but who knows. I guess I will find out when they do the new measurement at the end of February till then I know I’ll be freaking out about it. I have researched a surgeon at your recommendation and found someone that seems really good. That’s also in my insurance, which is important. I’m going to ask my cardiologist for a referral since they won’t see anyone without a referral. Thank you again!

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@james4cm

I'm 62 years old and was diagnosed August 2024 with a "4.1 cm mild ascending thoracic aortic aneurysm".

Have had sonogram, CT scan, PET scan, and Echocardiogram.

The Echocardiogram was only a few days ago and produced what I thought was an amazing 79 measurements.

All I've heard back from the primary doctor is an email stating to be sure and schedule another echocardiogram in 2-3 years

I've put in request to hear from a cardiologist, their perspective on the 79 echocardiogram findings.

This request seems to be meeting with some resistance?

Have a phone call appointment with the primary doctor on Monday 2/3/24 about getting approved to speak with a cardiologist.

Your situation with coughing is a thought that hadn't occurred to me. Glad you mentioned it. I'll add that to my Monday 2/3 phone call appointment questions.

Among my questions is what is an acceptable level of cardio exercise, if any limits?

Is hiking above the 14,000 foot elevation a concern?

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Please let me know what you find out on both the cough and the elevation hiking. I look forward to hearing what your doctor says.

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@moonboy you are certainly a wealth of information. Thank you!

I have to say navigating the healthcare system is daunting. I have spent my career in healthcare, I am not clinical, but when health systems started hiring physicians rather than the physician being independent, I have sadly seen doctors more interested in their paid time off rather than their patients.

I had a 6 month CT Scan w/out contrast, which was different than the first one in June which was with contrast on 1/17. I received the results on 1/19. My care team never reviewed the results until 1/21. I messaged twice with no response, this was my thoracic surgeon’s office who ordered the scan. I called on 1/27 and was told someone should have contacted me but I had to schedule an appointment for 2/18 to meet with the doctor to review the results and answer my questions. Today, 1/31, someone finally responded who said someone would be reaching out to schedule an appointment. Grrrrr. Needless to say I responded. I hate to have to be snarky but it is all frustrating when you don’t feel valued or you are a bother but from some of the posts, others are experiencing similar situations.

Don’t even get me started on cardiologists. The second doctor I saw prescribed Crestor, and said if the joint pain is too bad, stop it for a few days then start. BTW I am on Letrozole for Breast Cancer , which causes joint paint and can affect your heart. Also, I did some research on Crestor, which can be linked to causing aneurysms. I stopped the Crestor after 2 weeks and have been taking CoQ10. I really would love to find someone who takes into account all of me so I can manage all of this. Hopefully, I will get some answers on 2/18.

Regarding exercise, that too is all over the place regarding what physicians say, I did get a smart watch. If my heart rate gets into the anaerobic or maximum, I slow down. Although, vacuuming, bending over to clean a tub, lifting my 7 month grandson, all life activities effect your heart rate. BTW my aneurysm went from 4.1 to 4.3. I do use my elliptical and do Pilates but modified the intensity. I feel being in the best shape you can is a positive.

Some days, I can manage all this, today, apparently my anxiety is getting to me. Oh yeah, anxiety creates stress hormones that are not good for your heart. Some days, the bad ones, I wonder if I should just stay in bed not to exert my heart, but I get up anyway and go on with my daily life. Staying busy for me is important. Idle time makes my mind go to places it should not go.

I do find this site helpful and that I am not alone. I am strongly considering contacting the Cleveland Clinic, it is the closest to me. I am in PA.

We all have to continue to advocate for ourselves, do our research so we have a fighting chance so we can asks questions, and when we get scared, suck it up and keep going😊💕. Sorry for the rant.

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@mjm3

Please let me know what you find out on both the cough and the elevation hiking. I look forward to hearing what your doctor says.

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I will write back here. I will be asking those questions of the primary care doctor this coming Monday, 2/3/25.

I'm certain I've already gained by finding this group, and I only found it today.

However, initially, my request was only to be referred to a cardiologist to ask the questions.

Health Insurance I'm with Kaiser Permanente apparently has protocols and procedures which require the primary physician to refer to a specialist.

We'll see if the primary physician has solid enough answers to satisfy me or not.

I'm thinking as well thought out the primary physician answers may be, I'm still going to stand my ground and ask to see a cardiologist to get that perspective.

Unless maybe if the doctor agrees to another echocardiogram in 6 months to one year vs. 2 to 3 years he's currently prescribing.

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@moonboy

I dissected completely and suddenly in 2015. I am very lucky to be alive. It is a horror show, I can promise you. I'm not sure when you got that 4.4cm reading, but if it was more than a year ago, I'd get a CT scan with contrast done immediately at the best imaging center you can find in a major heart care center (Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, UCSD, U of Minnesota, U of Texas - Houston, etc.). Just saying...peace.

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My 4.4 reading was last June , 8 months ago. Just has a CT with. Contrast this am. Anxious to see the results .

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@wonderwoman1121

@moonboy you are certainly a wealth of information. Thank you!

I have to say navigating the healthcare system is daunting. I have spent my career in healthcare, I am not clinical, but when health systems started hiring physicians rather than the physician being independent, I have sadly seen doctors more interested in their paid time off rather than their patients.

I had a 6 month CT Scan w/out contrast, which was different than the first one in June which was with contrast on 1/17. I received the results on 1/19. My care team never reviewed the results until 1/21. I messaged twice with no response, this was my thoracic surgeon’s office who ordered the scan. I called on 1/27 and was told someone should have contacted me but I had to schedule an appointment for 2/18 to meet with the doctor to review the results and answer my questions. Today, 1/31, someone finally responded who said someone would be reaching out to schedule an appointment. Grrrrr. Needless to say I responded. I hate to have to be snarky but it is all frustrating when you don’t feel valued or you are a bother but from some of the posts, others are experiencing similar situations.

Don’t even get me started on cardiologists. The second doctor I saw prescribed Crestor, and said if the joint pain is too bad, stop it for a few days then start. BTW I am on Letrozole for Breast Cancer , which causes joint paint and can affect your heart. Also, I did some research on Crestor, which can be linked to causing aneurysms. I stopped the Crestor after 2 weeks and have been taking CoQ10. I really would love to find someone who takes into account all of me so I can manage all of this. Hopefully, I will get some answers on 2/18.

Regarding exercise, that too is all over the place regarding what physicians say, I did get a smart watch. If my heart rate gets into the anaerobic or maximum, I slow down. Although, vacuuming, bending over to clean a tub, lifting my 7 month grandson, all life activities effect your heart rate. BTW my aneurysm went from 4.1 to 4.3. I do use my elliptical and do Pilates but modified the intensity. I feel being in the best shape you can is a positive.

Some days, I can manage all this, today, apparently my anxiety is getting to me. Oh yeah, anxiety creates stress hormones that are not good for your heart. Some days, the bad ones, I wonder if I should just stay in bed not to exert my heart, but I get up anyway and go on with my daily life. Staying busy for me is important. Idle time makes my mind go to places it should not go.

I do find this site helpful and that I am not alone. I am strongly considering contacting the Cleveland Clinic, it is the closest to me. I am in PA.

We all have to continue to advocate for ourselves, do our research so we have a fighting chance so we can asks questions, and when we get scared, suck it up and keep going😊💕. Sorry for the rant.

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Thank you for your rant. What you describe is infuriating. I have lots of opinions about the state of health care in this country and would be glad to share them if anyone is interested. FYI I lived in Canada for four years, my daughter was born there 50 yrs. ago, and my then-husband had a hernia operation--all completely covered by OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Program). The internist I see now is independent, one of the few left in my city. He is very highly regarded by the medical community and by his patients. I admire his independence. Being put on hold when you're scared to death just isn't acceptable in my book. Good luck to you--and get those answers!

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when I ask my cariologist this question he said "we all cough". Frankly I felt a little insulted as in "thanks for sharing that rare bit of information"! I still haven't gotten a clear answer leading to believe that it is bad and they don't want to say so. My original intent was if I needed to take extra precautions/measures if I get a cold with excessive coughing fits.

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