What downside have you experienced after an ablation?

Posted by mishel @mishel, Dec 5, 2024

I am 69 and have had an abib episodes every 2 months for a year; otherwise, I am healthy. I am approaching a decision to have an ablation and am assessing Pulsed Field Ablation vs. RF ablation and general anesthesia vs. deep sedation. I would love to know if you have experienced side effects such as tiredness, Hemolysis, Cardiac spasm, Gastric issues, Other. Have you tried to take medications such as Flacainade instead of having an ablation?
Thank you so much!

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@teacher2001

I’m booked for an ablation in a few months - concerned about the amount of soreness where the catheters are inserted in the groin and how long did it take to heal - were you too sore to walk?

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Hi, I’m 53 with an autoimmune disease with heavy burden of PVCS, PACS and formerly SVTs. I had no problem with my groin site and was recovering normally until about 9 weeks later. I developed an infection that needed antibiotics at the site. A hematoma will develop normally like the size of a walnut in the groin which is what I had, but I think I jerked my leg when getting out of bed in the morning and disturbed it. I had a sharp pain and developed a red large lump. Should’ve went to the cardiologist but went PCP and she gave me an antibiotic which helped. If this happens, let your cardiologist office know right away. Otherwise, ablation recovery was just fine. Good luck.

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@denisek1971

Hi, I’m 53 with an autoimmune disease with heavy burden of PVCS, PACS and formerly SVTs. I had no problem with my groin site and was recovering normally until about 9 weeks later. I developed an infection that needed antibiotics at the site. A hematoma will develop normally like the size of a walnut in the groin which is what I had, but I think I jerked my leg when getting out of bed in the morning and disturbed it. I had a sharp pain and developed a red large lump. Should’ve went to the cardiologist but went PCP and she gave me an antibiotic which helped. If this happens, let your cardiologist office know right away. Otherwise, ablation recovery was just fine. Good luck.

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Thanks Denise. Hopefully that doesn’t happen to me - the surgeon is going to insert 4 catheters - two on each side of the groin. I will definitely monitor them post surgery. xo

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You’re welcome! During your ablation, just make sure to communicate any pain or severe uncomfortable feelings. At one point, they were moving the catheter around, and I started having a pain in my left shoulder and collarbone near my neck that kept getting worse and worse. I thought it was just because of the angle my body was positioned in, but I told them and they moved the catheter line inside me, and it completely stopped. So, I was pretty shocked that what they were doing inside of my heart could affect my neck and my shoulder.
The whole thing was uncomfortable, but it wasn’t really painful. And it helped with my SVT’s, but unfortunately, I still have my PACs and my PVCs because I have a rare condition that cannot be treated without possibly heart damage that could result in me being required to get a pacemaker, which I definitely do not want. Good luck! 🙏

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@denisek1971

You’re welcome! During your ablation, just make sure to communicate any pain or severe uncomfortable feelings. At one point, they were moving the catheter around, and I started having a pain in my left shoulder and collarbone near my neck that kept getting worse and worse. I thought it was just because of the angle my body was positioned in, but I told them and they moved the catheter line inside me, and it completely stopped. So, I was pretty shocked that what they were doing inside of my heart could affect my neck and my shoulder.
The whole thing was uncomfortable, but it wasn’t really painful. And it helped with my SVT’s, but unfortunately, I still have my PACs and my PVCs because I have a rare condition that cannot be treated without possibly heart damage that could result in me being required to get a pacemaker, which I definitely do not want. Good luck! 🙏

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Thanks! Sorry to hear about the PACS and PVCs - apparently I’m to be put to sleep during the procedure so won’t be feeling anything. Also I’m to continue taking my blood thinner throughout the surgery and after to keep blood clots away. As I said before I haven’t got a surgery date yet - there’s a long waiting list so won’t hear for six to eight months - that’s the Canadian healthcare system - lack of funding. I really appreciate your input so that I know what to expect. Take care of yourself. Andrea xo

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My A-fib was controlled for about 3 years on Flecanide and Diltiazem (and Eliquis), then it wasn't. I had a cryoablation (and have 2 brothers that had ablations also - one successful and the other had to be redone, but good now). The cryoablation controlled my a-fib for a couple years until a leaking mitral valve caused it to flare again. I had mitral valve repair and no a-fib, and no other complications (so far :)). I still take diltiazem and Eliquis.

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@gloaming

I had no difficulties. My first ablation failed at six days, I was hospitalized with a runaway atrial rate, 180+, and had to go on amiodarone for 10 weeks. A second ablation, same EP, came seven months later and this time he got 'er done. Whew! I knew I was in AF, while some patients have no idea. Same for flutter...I knew full well I was in arrhythmia, whereas two people I know hadn't a clue.

Everyone is different. Each EP is different. How you recover, and what subsequently becomes part of your daily experience, is unknown and unpredictable. I know of one person who had migraines. Some get flutter and need yet another ablation. Some only get some PACs or SVT. It's not a crapshoot in terms of stemming the AF if that was the original problem, but what happens after that won't be known until some time into the 'blanking period' of about 10 weeks that follows, after which you'll get a Holter monitor or some kind of measuring device that can track your heart rhythm, usually worn for an afternoon, over night, and you return it to the issuing party next day by about noon-ish. You get the results days, two weeks later...whatever the local rate is.

PFA is currently only used for the standard PVI (pulmonary vein isolation). That location is where something like 80% of all paroxysmal AF originates. The shape of the mechanical 'head' is designed to be placed at the ostia of the pulmonary veins and then energized. It currently cannot be used in the coronary sinus, for example, nor in the left atrial appendage.

About drugs: I was issued with both Eliquis, a DOAC (direct oral anti-coagulant) and metoprolol tartrate (the slow acting version). The risk of stroke when, and after (yes, after it stops!!!) fibrillating is at least six times as high as previously, generally, on average. So, your cardiologist should have you on a DOAC immediately. You can refuse, but then the cardiologist wonders what kind of a patient he/she is dealing with. If he/she just shrugs, go away happy, but with six times the risk. Metoprolol is a beta blocker:
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8814-2372/metoprolol-succinate-oral/metoprolol-succinate-extended-release-capsule-oral/details
Note that metoprolol can help with incipient hypertension, but in this case it is meant as a 'rate' control medicine that keeps the heart from beating too fast when it is in arrhythmia. Ideally, you should not have a heart beating at more than 100 BPM for more than 24 hours. Note also, that too much metoprolol can put you into bradycardia where your heart beats too slowly. If it drops below 45 BPM regularly when you're awake, I would question my cardiologist soon about it.

My last point, still about drugs: they tend to lose efficacy over time, and this because the disorder, itself, evolves over time. The disorder progresses, and not in the right direction. So, you'll need more of the same drugs, or you'll have to find another that works. Many do not tolerate all the various anti-arrhythmic drugs, and amiodarone is moderately toxic...you don't want to be on it more than a few months ideally. So, my real point is that if the drugs are losing ground for you, a mechanical fix is all that's left. Except, there isn't one. The closest you can come to 'fixing' a fibrillating heart is to ablate the locus or re-entrant point where the extra signal is getting in and forcing the atrium to contract. If it works, the ablation dams, literally, or places a stockade, of fibrosis/scarring around the affected area, and that scarring prevents the electrical impulse from moving outward and causing the contraction. Literally, ablation is the process of damming the area to prevent the signal from spreading. No signal spread, no contracting atrium. (Picture Mr. Burns with his evil look and saying, 'Eeexxcellennntt...').

There is a lot more to say, but it's already a book I've typed. You can google all related topics and read for another three hours easily.

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Thank you for your extensive post, but you state that Pulse Field can't be used to isolate the left atrial appendage electrically. However, I just had that done 10 days ago with Pulse Field in preparation for getting a Watchman device, so that part of your post must be incorrect.

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@susanrr

Thank you for your extensive post, but you state that Pulse Field can't be used to isolate the left atrial appendage electrically. However, I just had that done 10 days ago with Pulse Field in preparation for getting a Watchman device, so that part of your post must be incorrect.

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That is good to know, and thanks for pointing that out. As I hope I said, and always take pains to say in my posts, I only go by what I understand and have read, but I'm not in the field and don't get the latest literature unless I go digging for it. The last I saw, just a few weeks ago, is that PFA is not approved for anything but the typical PVI. If that has changed, or if the EP performing your procedure actually used another technique in the LAA, then I hope we get some clarification. The issue was the shape of the implement, but with advances almost monthly, maybe a new implement has been approved for an LAA ablation. That would be great news.

I hope you are doing well and enjoying freedom from AF. And may it last a good long time...like a decade...at least!

Thanks, again.

Edit (added later) I went to look and found that the use of PFA in the LAA is only done with patients '...with suitable anatomy.' It must be the case that your LAA allowed the use of the implement. So, I'm learning as I go. Some hearts have an LAA into which placement of the PF applicator would likely cause problems or be incomplete...in which case it is not approved.

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@gloaming

That is good to know, and thanks for pointing that out. As I hope I said, and always take pains to say in my posts, I only go by what I understand and have read, but I'm not in the field and don't get the latest literature unless I go digging for it. The last I saw, just a few weeks ago, is that PFA is not approved for anything but the typical PVI. If that has changed, or if the EP performing your procedure actually used another technique in the LAA, then I hope we get some clarification. The issue was the shape of the implement, but with advances almost monthly, maybe a new implement has been approved for an LAA ablation. That would be great news.

I hope you are doing well and enjoying freedom from AF. And may it last a good long time...like a decade...at least!

Thanks, again.

Edit (added later) I went to look and found that the use of PFA in the LAA is only done with patients '...with suitable anatomy.' It must be the case that your LAA allowed the use of the implement. So, I'm learning as I go. Some hearts have an LAA into which placement of the PF applicator would likely cause problems or be incomplete...in which case it is not approved.

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Thank you for your good wishes and for the clarification on the fact that anatomy needs to be suitable. I am a tiny person who is 5 foot 3 inches and only weighs 98 pounds, but I know I have a big heart! (joking a bit). My surgeon was Dr. Natale at Texas Cardiac Arrhythmia Institute where I believe they first developed PFA. I am supposed to get a Watchman down the road. I've had some shortness of breath since the procedure but otherwise no AFib at all (it's been two weeks). I am feeling optimistic! Hope you are well too!

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@susanrr

Thank you for your extensive post, but you state that Pulse Field can't be used to isolate the left atrial appendage electrically. However, I just had that done 10 days ago with Pulse Field in preparation for getting a Watchman device, so that part of your post must be incorrect.

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PFA can’t be used atrial flutter . Fyi
I have atrial fib and AFlutter. I was interested in PFA because I won’t be under anesthesia as long. Bummer

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@merrychristmas

PFA can’t be used atrial flutter . Fyi
I have atrial fib and AFlutter. I was interested in PFA because I won’t be under anesthesia as long. Bummer

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Hi there. I don't know about the anesthesia part but I do know that PFA is safer with faster recovery times. I also had Afib and Aflutter and they used PFA. I went to the Texas Cardiac Arrhythmia Institute because it's where they developed PFA and is considered to be tops. All best.

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