Grover's Disease: What works to help find relief?
I have been diagnosed with Grover's disease under my breasts. I had a biopsy for diagnosis. Tried topical ointment with no really good results. Any ideas?
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I had never heard of molybdenum before. I got this from wikipedia. Note the chronic ingestion of more than 10 mg daily and its affect.
Human metabolism and deficiency[edit]
Molybdenum is an essential trace dietary element.[76] Four mammalian Mo-dependent enzymes are known, all of them harboring a pterin-based molybdenum cofactor(Moco) in their active site: sulfite oxidase, xanthine oxidoreductase, aldehyde oxidase, and mitochondrial amidoxime reductase.[77] People severely deficient in molybdenum have poorly functioning sulfite oxidase and are prone to toxic reactions to sulfites in foods.[78][79] The human body contains about 0.07 mg of molybdenum per kilogram of body weight,[80] with higher concentrations in the liver and kidneys and lower in the vertebrae.[38] Molybdenum is also present within human tooth enamel and may help prevent its decay.[81]
Acute toxicity has not been seen in humans, and the toxicity depends strongly on the chemical state. Studies on rats show a median lethal dose (LD50) as low as 180 mg/kg for some Mo compounds.[82] Although human toxicity data is unavailable, animal studies have shown that chronic ingestion of more than 10 mg/day of molybdenum can cause diarrhea, growth retardation, infertility, low birth weight, and gout; it can also affect the lungs, kidneys, and liver.[83][84] Sodium tungstate is a competitive inhibitor of molybdenum. Dietary tungsten reduces the concentration of molybdenum in tissues.[38]
Low soil concentration of molybdenum in a geographical band from northern China to Iran results in a general dietary molybdenum deficiency, and is associated with increased rates of esophageal cancer.[85][86] Compared to the United States, which has a greater supply of molybdenum in the soil, people living in those areas have about 16 times greater risk for esophageal squamous cell carcinoma.[87]
Molybdenum deficiency has also been reported as a consequence of non-molybdenum supplemented total parenteral nutrition (complete intravenous feeding) for long periods of time. It results in high blood levels of sulfite and urate, in much the same way as molybdenum cofactor deficiency. However (presumably since pure molybdenum deficiency from this cause occurs primarily in adults), the neurological consequences are not as marked as in cases of congenital cofactor deficiency.[88]
Your research is a good reminder of how aware we need to be of supplements We can overdo. It will be interesting to read what dose those trying Molybdenum are taking. I'm grateful I don't need to experiment with this as the cilantro is working and I am unconcerned about it's side effects. Yet it's around 50% that report back that don't respond to cilantro, so I understand if they want to try this treatment.
Thank you for the research! The woman who had success with MolyB suggests no more than 2 mg per day. I am starting with 1 and may work up to 2 if necessary but will monitor my bloodwork. Hopefully I will have good results but if not I’m back to Cilantro
I haven't posted here in a while, but some of you may remember my posts with pictures of my rashes. I'm a patient at Mayo clinic, and had several skin biopsies, with the last results stating, resemblance to Grovers disease. My last terrible bout was 1 yr ago (posted pics then). I was literally sick with chills and fatigue. This year, I'm doing great, with an occasional spotty rash, which I get under control with my prescription cream within 2-3 days...then I stop applying. I just want to mention, after my 5 years of this tormenting rash, I've tried too many alternatives for help, which nothing has worked..too much to mention here, but I have mentioned in past posts, if anyone is interested....home remedies, topicals, diet, and so on. I have also tried cilantro mentioned here...however, I wasn't experiencing anything severe with rashes. I find it baffling that this year, I've changed nothing...I'm outside in Florida heat, walking 2-3 miles, gardening, and more, and I'm doing just fine. I shower sweat off immediately, even 2x daily if needed, and mainly stick with Vanicream soap, moisturizer. No meds, no cilantro, no further changes in diet, an occasional application of prescription cream if needed. I just cant figure...neither can my drs. All said, looking at my past, it's very possible I may experience another severe outbreak...I just wish I knew what causes it. Appreciate the research and experiences here...hoping everyone finds a sure cure!!
Not sure is lucky is the right word, as you have suffered greatly from GD, but I have read some only have one outbreak, thus the name Transient Acantholytic Dermatitis, TAD, aka Grover's Disease, GD. Auto-immune diseases are confounding, even ones considered incurable. 20 years ago I was diagnosed with CLL, the adult form of leukemia and told the good news was that its progress can be slower than other forms and I had 5-15 years. Without ever having treatment my blood-counts started improving after 12 years and at 15 years I was clear off all the cancerous lymphocytes and all other blood counts normal. No other markers. My oncologist won't say I no longer have the disease, saying there is no cure, so he calls it pre-leukemia. The point is our bodies can surprise us. You give us hope we might also have our GD go dormant or disappear forever. Sounds like you are taking advantage of your healthy skin and able to enjoy your summer.
Thank you for post. I am going to try the Cilantro. Nothing else has made a dent into my full blown Grover’s outbreak diagnosed in mid summer. I’m desperate!
I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. I was diagnosed in January, started cilantro in February and now symptom free as of August. Good luck!
Welp, I went off the cilantro and on to MollyB for a little over a week. Big mistake for ME! The itching and bumps started coming back. Now I am playing catch up and back on the cilantro. I am hoping it goes back to the way it was before I went off. Cilantro has been my best remedy so far!
Grover's Disease Support Group is the Facebook site I checked out. Those poor people are just floundering. I encourage all of you to help them. I keep trying to refer them to this site. They have posted many photos also. Many of them won't try cilantro because they hate the taste. Been there but learned to love the smoothies because of everything I learned on this site. I cannot ever express to you how much I appreciate what this group has done for me. To think I believed monsters were trying to crawl out of my skin with itching painful claws! Yup, that is how it felt.