Do you need to sanitize your toothbrush every day?

Posted by formergardener @formergardener, Sep 7, 2023

I am really vigilant about cleaning my equipment for nebulizing and airway clearance. What should we do about our toothbrushes? We brush our teeth multiple times a day. The MAC is probably on there. I can’t boil my toothbrush or use a new one each time I brush.

I read about soaking in vinegar. Is that pure or diluted vinegar? Should it always be left in a small glass with some vinegar after brushing and rinsing teeth? Then you have to rinse it really well afterwards (with your tap water that probably contains MAC). If you know your tap water does have MAC, what do you do?

I now have disposable cups and pot bottled water in them for rinsing my mouth as well as for cleaning my toothbrush. Am I doing too much?

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@magwil01

There is a standard set of guidelines and it is pretty near perfect. It was not developed by doctors but by a patient and is in use through the world. It is on Facebook in 7 chapters - never made into a pdf. You need to be on FB and search for: Lung Matters: Covid, Bronchiectasis, MAC, NTM, Nocardia, Pseudomonas & More.

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Thank you so much for the tip! Always, always learn something new from members!

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@formergardener

Thank you so much for the tip! Always, always learn something new from members!

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It includes sterilizing water (even filtered water) daily, brushing teeth with sterile water, boiling your measuring cups, using glass and not plastic, saline rinses with disposable syringes instead of neti pot, ACTs, sterile water for wounds.... Takes days to read it all. Take a little at a time.

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@magwil01

It includes sterilizing water (even filtered water) daily, brushing teeth with sterile water, boiling your measuring cups, using glass and not plastic, saline rinses with disposable syringes instead of neti pot, ACTs, sterile water for wounds.... Takes days to read it all. Take a little at a time.

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Thank you. I already do much of that and am sure that I need to do more. Sounds a little overwhelming, but then this whole experience is quite a ride!

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@formergardener

Thank you. I have read about the UV sanitizers. Is there a particular one that you might recommend?

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I heard that UV light isn’t able to kill MAC. I’ve been using a baby bottle sterilizer for my neb cups so I will put my toothbrush in as well.

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@magwil01

It includes sterilizing water (even filtered water) daily, brushing teeth with sterile water, boiling your measuring cups, using glass and not plastic, saline rinses with disposable syringes instead of neti pot, ACTs, sterile water for wounds.... Takes days to read it all. Take a little at a time.

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Hello, and welcome to Mayo Connect and the MAC & Bronchiectasis Support Group. Most of us, when we first are diagnosed are overwhelmed with both the dire predictions about our disease and the amount of information out there on - often conflicting. Add to that the fact that many primary care practitioners, and even many pulmonologists are not familiar with it, so we may not feel we are getting a lot of good guidance.

Please note what you said in your earlier message about the guidebook in Lung Matters, "...It was not developed by doctors but by a patient..."

Please understand that even the experts, who have spent a lifetime studying these issues, do not have all the answers, and that recommendations are constantly changing based on world-wide published research and studies.

MAC/NTM/Bronchiectasis are different for EVERY individual, based on the severity of their condition, overall health and comorbidities. So not every recommendation should be applied globally.

Not every recommendation in this book is supported by medical or research evidence. For example, it is unnecessary to boil measuring cups used to measure things that will be sterilized.

Dr Joe Falkinham, the world-renowned expert in MAC/NTM in water does not support boiling filtered water that has gone through a .2 micron filter. He has another new recommendation, based on lab research, that states a 10% solution of Dawn dish detergent in hot water will adequately break down the biofilm on devices so it can be washed away. He recently stated on the NTM-ir discussion group that it is unnecessary to use sterile water for boiling devices - the boiling itself creates sterile water.

Dr Pamela McShane, Bronchiectasis & NTM expert at the University of Texas at Tyler supports a wide range of airway clearance techniques, depending on what works for each individual. She says there is no "one size fits all" answer. Here is her most recent Webinar:


I have been off antibiotics for 4.5 years, have worked with my pulmonologist to get my asthma under control (it was the trigger for my exacerbations), exercise, do daily airway clearance but only use 7% saline a few times a week, filter but do not boil my water, wash my equipment in Dawn daily but sterilize once a week, take showers, swim in outdoor pools and the ocean...

On this regimen, I have been exacerbation-free for 19 months, and have only had 3 exacerbations since 2019 - all managed by steroids and a short course of antibiotics. I also use a combination inhaler daily that includes a steroid. Both of these are anathema on Lung Matters, but for me life-altering!

What is my point? MAC & Bronchiectasis are different for everyone.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/macntm-is-different-for-everyone-treatment-might-be-different-too/
And what is my takeaway? Read the recommendations on Lung Matters, then compare them with what the latest research shows, adopt what works for you, but don't go crazy - AND GO LIVE YOUR LIFE.

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@sueinmn

Hello, and welcome to Mayo Connect and the MAC & Bronchiectasis Support Group. Most of us, when we first are diagnosed are overwhelmed with both the dire predictions about our disease and the amount of information out there on - often conflicting. Add to that the fact that many primary care practitioners, and even many pulmonologists are not familiar with it, so we may not feel we are getting a lot of good guidance.

Please note what you said in your earlier message about the guidebook in Lung Matters, "...It was not developed by doctors but by a patient..."

Please understand that even the experts, who have spent a lifetime studying these issues, do not have all the answers, and that recommendations are constantly changing based on world-wide published research and studies.

MAC/NTM/Bronchiectasis are different for EVERY individual, based on the severity of their condition, overall health and comorbidities. So not every recommendation should be applied globally.

Not every recommendation in this book is supported by medical or research evidence. For example, it is unnecessary to boil measuring cups used to measure things that will be sterilized.

Dr Joe Falkinham, the world-renowned expert in MAC/NTM in water does not support boiling filtered water that has gone through a .2 micron filter. He has another new recommendation, based on lab research, that states a 10% solution of Dawn dish detergent in hot water will adequately break down the biofilm on devices so it can be washed away. He recently stated on the NTM-ir discussion group that it is unnecessary to use sterile water for boiling devices - the boiling itself creates sterile water.

Dr Pamela McShane, Bronchiectasis & NTM expert at the University of Texas at Tyler supports a wide range of airway clearance techniques, depending on what works for each individual. She says there is no "one size fits all" answer. Here is her most recent Webinar:


I have been off antibiotics for 4.5 years, have worked with my pulmonologist to get my asthma under control (it was the trigger for my exacerbations), exercise, do daily airway clearance but only use 7% saline a few times a week, filter but do not boil my water, wash my equipment in Dawn daily but sterilize once a week, take showers, swim in outdoor pools and the ocean...

On this regimen, I have been exacerbation-free for 19 months, and have only had 3 exacerbations since 2019 - all managed by steroids and a short course of antibiotics. I also use a combination inhaler daily that includes a steroid. Both of these are anathema on Lung Matters, but for me life-altering!

What is my point? MAC & Bronchiectasis are different for everyone.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/macntm-is-different-for-everyone-treatment-might-be-different-too/
And what is my takeaway? Read the recommendations on Lung Matters, then compare them with what the latest research shows, adopt what works for you, but don't go crazy - AND GO LIVE YOUR LIFE.

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Exactly Sue!

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@sueinmn

Hello, and welcome to Mayo Connect and the MAC & Bronchiectasis Support Group. Most of us, when we first are diagnosed are overwhelmed with both the dire predictions about our disease and the amount of information out there on - often conflicting. Add to that the fact that many primary care practitioners, and even many pulmonologists are not familiar with it, so we may not feel we are getting a lot of good guidance.

Please note what you said in your earlier message about the guidebook in Lung Matters, "...It was not developed by doctors but by a patient..."

Please understand that even the experts, who have spent a lifetime studying these issues, do not have all the answers, and that recommendations are constantly changing based on world-wide published research and studies.

MAC/NTM/Bronchiectasis are different for EVERY individual, based on the severity of their condition, overall health and comorbidities. So not every recommendation should be applied globally.

Not every recommendation in this book is supported by medical or research evidence. For example, it is unnecessary to boil measuring cups used to measure things that will be sterilized.

Dr Joe Falkinham, the world-renowned expert in MAC/NTM in water does not support boiling filtered water that has gone through a .2 micron filter. He has another new recommendation, based on lab research, that states a 10% solution of Dawn dish detergent in hot water will adequately break down the biofilm on devices so it can be washed away. He recently stated on the NTM-ir discussion group that it is unnecessary to use sterile water for boiling devices - the boiling itself creates sterile water.

Dr Pamela McShane, Bronchiectasis & NTM expert at the University of Texas at Tyler supports a wide range of airway clearance techniques, depending on what works for each individual. She says there is no "one size fits all" answer. Here is her most recent Webinar:


I have been off antibiotics for 4.5 years, have worked with my pulmonologist to get my asthma under control (it was the trigger for my exacerbations), exercise, do daily airway clearance but only use 7% saline a few times a week, filter but do not boil my water, wash my equipment in Dawn daily but sterilize once a week, take showers, swim in outdoor pools and the ocean...

On this regimen, I have been exacerbation-free for 19 months, and have only had 3 exacerbations since 2019 - all managed by steroids and a short course of antibiotics. I also use a combination inhaler daily that includes a steroid. Both of these are anathema on Lung Matters, but for me life-altering!

What is my point? MAC & Bronchiectasis are different for everyone.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/macntm-is-different-for-everyone-treatment-might-be-different-too/
And what is my takeaway? Read the recommendations on Lung Matters, then compare them with what the latest research shows, adopt what works for you, but don't go crazy - AND GO LIVE YOUR LIFE.

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Hope I do as well as you have done for 4.5 years. So far, as I have said, no signs of an exacerbation with finally being diagnosed in August of 2022.
I believe I remember you were at the pulmonologists office in July, if I read correctly, and go again in September. Hope all continues to be good for you.

Sue above you had not mentioned how well you mask when gardening, windy days etc. nor your routine with clothing and shoes after being outside in the garden. I take it that is still part of your routine. I try hard to remember to do that....the masking when going outside to the garden. I do have someone doing most of it, lucky me, to avoid causing me problems.
Barbara

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@blm1007blm1007

Hope I do as well as you have done for 4.5 years. So far, as I have said, no signs of an exacerbation with finally being diagnosed in August of 2022.
I believe I remember you were at the pulmonologists office in July, if I read correctly, and go again in September. Hope all continues to be good for you.

Sue above you had not mentioned how well you mask when gardening, windy days etc. nor your routine with clothing and shoes after being outside in the garden. I take it that is still part of your routine. I try hard to remember to do that....the masking when going outside to the garden. I do have someone doing most of it, lucky me, to avoid causing me problems.
Barbara

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I also have a garden assistant doing most of the digging, dividing and heavy lifting now. And every bed is auto-watered, either with the irrigation system or individual, timer-operated drip systems, so I am not getting aerosols from that. I must admit that I do not mask anymore - I water before I dig to minimize dust and spores in the air. I still wear gloves and garden shoes (which never enter the house.) And if I mow, I do mask as there is no way to avoid all the flying debris. Garden clothes go right to the laundry room each day, even though it can make a lot of laundry.
We are a "no shoes" household which really keeps outdoor pollution out - all are left in the garage or at the door, and the landing is frequently mopped & washed. Entry rugs are washed and dried at least every week.

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@sueinmn

I also have a garden assistant doing most of the digging, dividing and heavy lifting now. And every bed is auto-watered, either with the irrigation system or individual, timer-operated drip systems, so I am not getting aerosols from that. I must admit that I do not mask anymore - I water before I dig to minimize dust and spores in the air. I still wear gloves and garden shoes (which never enter the house.) And if I mow, I do mask as there is no way to avoid all the flying debris. Garden clothes go right to the laundry room each day, even though it can make a lot of laundry.
We are a "no shoes" household which really keeps outdoor pollution out - all are left in the garage or at the door, and the landing is frequently mopped & washed. Entry rugs are washed and dried at least every week.

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Lucky us, irrigation system and helper doing all the same tasks for us.
There are still a couple of things I would like to get in the habit of doing. Learning how to manage getting everything done for oneself and care along with all other tasks can be overwhelming and take time. So I tell myself....need to somewhat be patient with oneself.
Barbara

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@blm1007blm1007

Lucky us, irrigation system and helper doing all the same tasks for us.
There are still a couple of things I would like to get in the habit of doing. Learning how to manage getting everything done for oneself and care along with all other tasks can be overwhelming and take time. So I tell myself....need to somewhat be patient with oneself.
Barbara

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Ask for help! Accept help offered!

I am notorious for planning "little family get togethers" that quickly get out of hand. Tonight it happened again - the plan was a taco bar for 10-11 adult cousins to visit one who we probably will not see again, at least while she knows us. Then I figured her daughter would enjoy seeing someone her own age and invited my daughters and a son-in-law, which inevitably includes their 2 littles. Oh, and her childhood best friend who is very close to our family as well...then my brother, figuring our boys would be here, brought their playmate, his 4 yo granddaughter. All of a sudden my little house was bursting at the seams with 18 guests, including 3 giddy kids.

When everyone but my husband, one daughter and my little sister were gone, they looked at me and said "Wow, you look tired! Can we finish cleaning up with you?"

Old me would have said, "It's fine, I can do it." New me is smarter and I gratefully accepted. So tomorrow I can wake up to a sparkling clean kitchen, all the tables wiped down and chairs stowed. All I need to do is strip beds and do laundry.

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