Tips on minimizing withdrawal symptoms from Effexor (aka Venlafaxine)
I have been taking Effexor/Venlafaxine for years and tried to get off it a few times but each time I try to give up the chemical withdrawal symptoms are a horror story and I give up giving up. Anyone got any tips or tried and tested strategies? Thank you
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It's my understanding that tapering strips for withdrawing from Venlafaxine are created in the Netherlands, so you might be in luck there. I agree that you are rushing it, as most authorities recommend decreasing by no more than 10% over as extended a period of time as one needs to adjust before tapering ten percent of the remaining dosage, and so on. Yes, it can take years. The slower you taper, the greater the chances for success. Perhaps this is helpful: https://www.taperingstrip.com
I am taking Effexor 300mg for about 8 years for depression. My question is if it is working for you, why are you wanting to taper off it ???
I have been on Venlafaxine for 2o years
I now want to come off as it may have contributed to recent sleep disorder
I am in 150 mgs slow release
What dose is best Do I get a prescription for 75 mg first rather than alternate days?
Welcome anyone sharing their path with me
Hi, I’ve been on 300mgs daily of venlafaxine for the last 15+ years. Six months ago I started reducing my dosage very slowly. I had no problems until I was down to 37.5mgs BUT, I started on that dose by taking 75mgs on alternate days. I think this is what catapoulted me into severe withdrawals. I have just bought the book: ‘The Maudsley Deprescribing Guidelines for Anti-depressants etc.’. (The ‘Maudsley’ refers to a very large hospital in England, U.K. which specialises in psychiatry). In this book it states that taking this stuff every other day can bring on withdrawal symptoms. It’s all to do with the chemical levels zooming up and down on the alternate days, (I think). Anyone thinking about reducing their venlafaxine, and who doesn’t have a doctor who is very experienced in this, should have a copy of this book. It’s very readable and is packed with information. It’s not cheap, I paid £45.00, but it’s worth every penny. It looks as though I am going to end up back on my full dose of 300mgs again, to hopefully get rid of these appalling withdrawals. Having stabilised, I then intend to try again, even more slowly, and not taking doses every other day. I wish you luck! Proceed more slowly than you think you need to; be in close contact with your doctor; stop reducing your dose if you get withdrawals, until you’ve stabilised; buy the book before you start.
Regards,
Zainah-Elizabeth Lovell
Hi kratz5,
Great question :)! Thank you for asking. Sorry in advance for the botchy English, I'll try to make something coherent 😉
The past six years a lot of things have changed. All these changes made me realize that I'm in a very different place than where I was when I got prescribed the 300 mg at the time. I felt I'd no longer need as high a dosage anymore. Also the side-effects of anti-depressants are no fun.
I wanted to know how I'd feel at a lower dosage. I've consulted this with my doctor and she agreed with me tapering off it.
Below are the first things coming to mind when I think about the changes that helped me come to this decision.
1. Therapy and understanding my mind a lot better:
- I've learned and worked through a lot in therapy (although it took a while before finding the right type of therapy). Especially Schema Therapy and EMDR really helped. I've learned better ways to cope with my depression and anxiety as well as things to be mindful of in order to not exacerbate it.
- Two years ago I was diagnosed with ADHD-i(nattentive type). It explained sooo much and helped me understand myself much better.
2. Self-compassion and daring to be vulnerable:
- Allowing my emotions as well as practicing self-compassion (still a tricky one for me ;)!) have gotten better as well. Trying to be kinder to myself, instead of the usual anxiety driven perfectionism and judgments towards myself, played a major role in getting "better".
- Learning that it's okay to open up or to ask for help - and that you're not a burden for doing so! - made me feel less alone. At times it was like I didn't have to carry all the struggles by myself - like a bit of the weight I felt on my chest all the time was lifted.
3. Change in environment
- Among many things, my study, job, housing, relationships, are different from where I was six years ago. In a good way.
I don't intend to taper off fully right away. It would be nice if possible, but it is not my goal 🙂
Hope this answers your question!
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Update in tapering schedule:
After consulting my doctor, right now I'm alternating 225 mg and 187,5 mg a day for two weeks. She told me this way I take an average of 206,25 mg daily.
After this, I'll go to 187,5 mg daily for two weeks. After that, alternating 187,5 mg and 150 mg for two weeks. Then 150 mg daily for two weeks.
This way, in theory, I'd taper 18,75 mg every two weeks because 37,5 mg every two weeks was definitely too fast!
Current side effects are dizziness, fatigue, headaches and major brain fog. Perhaps I'm still tapering too fast.
Thanks for the tip @njoys about the tapering strips! I'll look into them!
Hi there!
Right now I'm alternating between two different doses, suggested by my doctor. I'm alternating 225 mg and 187,5 mg for two weeks, because from 225 mg to 187,5 mg in one go was to fast for me (see post below).
I'm still unsure if this is not too fast, because I'm still experiencing quite some withdrawal symptoms, though they're less severe then before alternating.
Either way I'd suggest to taper off in the smallest steps possible to minimize withdrawal symptoms. I have 37,5 mg capsules (slow release), but maybe they're even lower dosages in capsules. I still have to look into that as well as the tapering strips.
Thank you for your reply and explaining your situation. Much more understandable now.
I will pray for you, and I wish you the best with all your life’s achievements and all those yet to come.
God bless you !
Thanks
37.5 is the lowest slow release
However it is possible to get the drug in liquid form with a special prescription
Another member of the group suggested a book by The Maudsley Hospital and I will attach the regime recommended by them
Best wishes
Maudsley® Deprescribing Guidelines
reductions made every 2-4 weeks.
Step
RO (%)
Dose (mg)
88.4
300
Use tablets/capsules
150
Use tablets/capsules
86.7
112.5
Use tablets/capsules
CHAPTER 2
2
3
4
85.7
83.6
75
Use tablets/capsules
Switch to venlafaxine 7,5mg/mL solution*
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
81.5
55
3.67mL (twice daily)
25
26
27
28
29
30
79.8
45
3.00mL (twice daily)
77.6
37.5
2.50mL (twice daily)**
75.7
30.4
2.03mL (twice daily)
73.7
26
1.73mL (twice daily)
71.7
22.6
1.51mL (twice daily)
69.7
19.8
1.32mL (twice daily)
67.7
17.5
1.17mL (twice daily)
65.7
15.6
1.04mL (twice daily)
63.7
14
0.93mL (twice daily)
61.7
12.6
0.84mL (twice daily)
59.7
11.4
0.76mL (twice daily)
57.7
10.4
55.7
0.69mL (twice daily)
9.4
53.8
0.63mL (twice daily)
8.6
51.8
7.8
0.57mL (twice daily)
49.8
7.2
0.52mL (twice daily)
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
47.8
6.6
0.48mL (twice daily)
45.8
6
0.44mL (twice daily)
43.8
5,5
0.40mL (twice daily)
0.37mL (twice daily)
See further steps in the right-hand column
45
46
47
RO = receptor occupancy
41.7
5
Volume
39.8
4.6
37.8
4.2
0.33 mL (twice daily)
35.7
0.31 mL (twice daly)
3.8
33.9
0.28mL (twice daily)
3.5
0.25mL (twice daily)
32.0
3.2
0.23mL (twice daily)
Switch to venlafaxine 0.75mg/mL dilution*
0.21 mL (twice daily)
30.0
2.9
27.9
2.6
1.93 mL (twice daily)
25.6
2.3
1.73 mL (twice daily)
23.5
2.05
1.53mL (twice daily)
21.3
1.8
1.37 mL (twice daily)
19.5
1.6
1.2mL (twice daily)
17.5
1.4
1.07 mL (twice daily)
16.0
1.25
0.93 mL (twice dally)
14.4
1.1
0.83 mL (twice daily)
12.7
0.95
0.73 mL (twice daily)
10.9
0.8
0.63 mL (twice daily)
9.1
0.53mL (twice daily)
0.65
7.1
0.43mL (twice daily)
0.5
5.1
0.33mL (twice daily)
0.35
0.23mL (twice daily)
Switch to venlafaxine 0.075mg/mL dilution*
3.0
1.5
0.2
0.1
0
0
1.33mL (twice daily)
0.67mL (twice daily)
0
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The YouTube video available through this link is informative and explains why alternating doses is not ideal: https://iipdw.org
It is entitled, "Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome & its Management," presented by Stevie Lewis & Dr Mark Horowitz, on behalf of the International Institute for Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal (IIPDW).