Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis

Posted by jmanj @jmanj, Jun 24, 2021

I’m looking into Whole Body Vibration to aid in bone building for osteoporosis. I’ve read that Low Intensity Vibration is better than high intensity. Does anyone have any experience with this?

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@tetris

The $119 AXV vibration plate you purchased looks unsafe for osteoporosis. Based on the product's videos and reviews, it looks like it's a rocker plate that vibrates roughly, like a paint shaker. Keep in mind that more vibration is not better. Please do be careful if you continue to use this AXV machine -- sometimes you get what you pay for.

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What brand of vibration plate is good or used for osteoporosis? I would appreciate any help I can get. I have until the end of this month to exchange the AVX for something else.
Thank you

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Some folks on this forum use the Marodyne LIV vibration platform. It's pricey ($3200) though safer than your AXV device. The jury is out regarding if it is effective in increasing bone density. Results from a recent clinical trial (VIBMOR) did not show the Marodyne LIV helped with bone density. However, the trial was not conducted very well so who knows.

Below are links to three discussions from this forum with info on vibrations platforms for osteoporosis, including the expensive Marodyne device, which has not received FDA clearance in the U.S.:
1. https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/has-anyone-used-the-marodyne-device-to-stimulate-bone-growth/ (I found the attachments in @rola's comment at https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/916741/ quite helpful)
2. https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/does-anyone-have-info-re-maradyne-a-low-intensity-vibration/
3. https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/whole-body-vibration-for-osteoporosis/

If it were me, I'd return the AXV platform and not exchange it for anything, at least until you do more research. Personally, I'd steer away from purchasing anything on Amazon -- the product description may say it builds bone density, yet the seller offers no proof and studies to back up that claim up. Not all vibration platforms are created equally.

I do not own a vibration plate and currently do not plan to purchase one. I've done research and continue to wait for more evidence regarding vibration platforms. Perhaps they are helpful for persons with osteoporosis who have a sedentary lifestyle or can't do weight-bearing exercise. I am grateful that I'm physically capable of doing weight-bearing exercise and strength training.

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@sallyj2

I had the same thing happen only I did intensive exercise and hrt, still a significant drop and now some new symptoms from
Hrt. My endo warned me I could not exercise, eat, or take hormones to fix this. He was correct. Wish the meds weren’t so scary.

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I have been using algaecal for about a year. My mom used it for 6 mos before her dexa (same place and machine as previous scans which. Is imp for comparison) and she improved 3%. A friend had over 10% increase over two years but is really great about her wt bearing exercises and bone friendly diet - I am not consistent. I will have another scan in a year and will see how it goes. I am looking at the use of vibration to help. If you call and mention me I get a bottle but don’t feel you hAve to. I am just happy to share the info. Best of luck to you. Lisa dedinsky

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@mta11

I have been using algaecal for about a year. My mom used it for 6 mos before her dexa (same place and machine as previous scans which. Is imp for comparison) and she improved 3%. A friend had over 10% increase over two years but is really great about her wt bearing exercises and bone friendly diet - I am not consistent. I will have another scan in a year and will see how it goes. I am looking at the use of vibration to help. If you call and mention me I get a bottle but don’t feel you hAve to. I am just happy to share the info. Best of luck to you. Lisa dedinsky

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Hi Lisa: Thank you for sharing these experiences. I’m still trying to figure things out in regard to supplements, but it sounds like more people are very satisfied with AlgaeCal than people who are not.

I am curious about whole body vibration and am wondering what device you are considering or maybe you already have one.

Thanks again and I hope your next dexa scan has good results.

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Earlier this year, the FDA approved a vibrating belt to help with osteopenia (belt is not available yet): https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/fda-approves-vibrating-belt-help-women-osteopenia-keep-bone-2024a10001u2?form=fpf

So it is rather strange that vibration plate studies don't seem to suggest that plates help. It doesn't actually make much sense.

My bone doc says the Power Plate specifically is too strong for someone who has already had fragility fractures, or who is vulnerable to them. But the doc supposes that LIV could help. I bought a LIV machine for far less than Marodyn from Vibrant Health BC. Have not had DEXA since I started using it.

I understand that AlgaeCal contains strontium. Is that right? My bone doc is skeptical about strontium -- says it replaces calcium in bones but it's not clear if it helps protect from fractures. I have not added strontium yet.

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@7gen

Earlier this year, the FDA approved a vibrating belt to help with osteopenia (belt is not available yet): https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/fda-approves-vibrating-belt-help-women-osteopenia-keep-bone-2024a10001u2?form=fpf

So it is rather strange that vibration plate studies don't seem to suggest that plates help. It doesn't actually make much sense.

My bone doc says the Power Plate specifically is too strong for someone who has already had fragility fractures, or who is vulnerable to them. But the doc supposes that LIV could help. I bought a LIV machine for far less than Marodyn from Vibrant Health BC. Have not had DEXA since I started using it.

I understand that AlgaeCal contains strontium. Is that right? My bone doc is skeptical about strontium -- says it replaces calcium in bones but it's not clear if it helps protect from fractures. I have not added strontium yet.

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The vibrating belt is for osteopenia, not osteoporosis.

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@7gen

Earlier this year, the FDA approved a vibrating belt to help with osteopenia (belt is not available yet): https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/fda-approves-vibrating-belt-help-women-osteopenia-keep-bone-2024a10001u2?form=fpf

So it is rather strange that vibration plate studies don't seem to suggest that plates help. It doesn't actually make much sense.

My bone doc says the Power Plate specifically is too strong for someone who has already had fragility fractures, or who is vulnerable to them. But the doc supposes that LIV could help. I bought a LIV machine for far less than Marodyn from Vibrant Health BC. Have not had DEXA since I started using it.

I understand that AlgaeCal contains strontium. Is that right? My bone doc is skeptical about strontium -- says it replaces calcium in bones but it's not clear if it helps protect from fractures. I have not added strontium yet.

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@7gen: I was also wondering how using a vibrating belt could be much different from using a WBV plate. I have been looking at whole body vibration and appreciate knowing about Vibrant Health BC. I just looked at the website now. Which Vibrant Health machine did you buy? The website has all kinds of impressive reviews and statistics. She’s got good marketing skills… Nevertheless, her WBV machines look good. I wonder where they are made. Have you been comfortable using the machine? I’d love to hear more about how it’s going. It sounds like you have an open-minded “bone doc”. That’s good!

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I bought the VibrantHealthBC Ultimate Vibe. Sometimes they have a sale. I'm quite comfortable with the machine -- it has many adjustments, but since I've had multiple lumbar fractures already, I just use low frequency vibration, and do simple squats on it, or balance moves. (I do floor Pilates, hike and bicycle too). I've always been strong & fit but unfortunately inherited osteoporosis from both parents (my younger sisters also have it).

My bone doc also told me about studies of probiotics in relationship with osteoporosis -- you can research this on the internet. Lactobacillus reuteri has shown promise. Seems it can't hurt, and maybe can help. good luck ~ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5710820/

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@7gen

I bought the VibrantHealthBC Ultimate Vibe. Sometimes they have a sale. I'm quite comfortable with the machine -- it has many adjustments, but since I've had multiple lumbar fractures already, I just use low frequency vibration, and do simple squats on it, or balance moves. (I do floor Pilates, hike and bicycle too). I've always been strong & fit but unfortunately inherited osteoporosis from both parents (my younger sisters also have it).

My bone doc also told me about studies of probiotics in relationship with osteoporosis -- you can research this on the internet. Lactobacillus reuteri has shown promise. Seems it can't hurt, and maybe can help. good luck ~ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5710820/

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It’s good to hear that you are comfortable with the VibrantHealth BC machine and that it can’t hurt you with the low frequency. I’m still trying to figure out what would be best for myself and maybe others in my household would use it as well.

I am going to try to make yogurt with L. Reuteri strains from BioGaia, Gastrus tablets. The recipe originated here: https://drdavisinfinitehealth.com/2019/07/how-to-make-l-reuteri-yogurt-step-by-step/

I’m going to try this “improved” recipe here: https://www.luvele.com/blogs/recipe-blog/new-improved-l-reuteri-yogurt-method

Evidently commercial yogurt does not have this strain…? We shall see how it goes…but I like the idea of eating yogurt and not just taking tablets.

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I will chime in here to say I do have a Marodyne and though the study recently done along with the Onero Program based on the LIFTMORE studies by Belinda Beck didn’t produce the results they were thinking it would….. I believe the jury is still out as there were some things that turned out to not be ideal with how the study went. I think there’s real science behind the idea of stimulating the mesenchymal areas (soft part of the bone in the middle where differentiation of what those red blood cellls may become. …. Fat or will they become things to encourage bone build up.?? Anyway… I feel in my heart overtime this science will prove to be beneficial. My own opinion!!!
Next , I have been a user of Algae Cal for years . At first just that , then added the Strontium and after that had a big boost 6% in my DEXA . I thought terrific . But after I had a fragility fracture of my spine 2 summers ago I decided after drilling down more about the whole idea of the strontium taking the place of calcium in the bone that makes your DEXA. Look better , I quit taking it. So glad I did. After all this when I consulted with McCormick from the Great Bones book and he said to me …you stopped the strontium right before your fracture, right??? Which I had not actually , I stopped it a few months after. BUT… to me he obviously thought my fracture was related to stopping the strontium that because now that was gone and my Calcium uptake had been decreased , that that was likely the thing that put me over the edge to result in my fracture of L1. Mind you I’ve always been a very active athletic person , but actually not doing the real exercise that is needed to build bone!!!
That was a long rant ,,, but these thoughts I believe in my heart are valid. Do your own research!!! Good luck to you and all on this complicated journey!!

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