Klonopin & Gabapentin for sleep

Posted by weijamin @weijamin, Jan 30, 2023

Hi, I am 78, almost 79 & have been taking klonopin, .5 - 1mg for almost 30 yrs. Now it isn’t working so well, so Dr added gabapentin, 2-300mg.
It is working, but I understand the dependence w/ klonopin & in the past have tried to quit, but it has been too hard. Just would like to hear from others if anyone else is taking both of these meds, & what people think about their safety.

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@ripley

How long do you intend to stay on the Lunesta? I've read it's meant for short-term use and can cause rebound insomnia. I tried 7.5mg Remeron one night, and slept but was severely groggy for 3 days so stopped taking it. I've had severe insomnia for over two years since a bout of Covid triggered fibromyalgia and haven't had a good nights sleep since. I don't know what to do as I'm afraid of most of the drugs, especially the "hypnotic" ones with the side effect of sleep-walking activities that you won't remember the next day. However, this lack of sleep is having severe effects as I'm always so tired and I know it's not good for my health. I take 75-100mg Trazodone and 3.5mg Melatonin before bed, and sometimes a CBN/CBD sleep gummy. Most nights I fall asleep but always wake up about 4 hours later and can't get back to sleep, which I know is from my fibro. My Dr recommended 100mgs of Gapapentin 3X a day. I only tried it a couple days and it didn't seem to help. The possible side effects of long term use scared me. I'd be open to any advice you might be able to offer.

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If you believe it's the fibromyalgia that is waking you up after 4 hours, try taking 1 Aleve tablet and 2 Tylenol (Acetaminophen) before bed....you can take both at same time. Helps pain alot! But also don't be afraid of the "hypnotic" drugs.... very rare to have sleepwalking as a side effect. And they are the most effective sleep meds out there. Glad the Lunesta is helping!

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@con123

The only advice I can give you is to find a reputable sleep medicine doctor who knows the medications and can guide you to find a solution. All the sleep meds say "short term use" but with primary long-term insomnia, sometimes the benefits of staying on it outweigh the risks. Trust me, if I could sleep without help, that would be amazing, but having tried everything imaginable, and still was not sleeping, I'm ok with taking it long term. I did not have any major issues with Klonopin and it was great for sleep. It was terribly addictive but I didn't know that until I had to taper off, because I never increased my dose or craved it. Stopping just about any sleep aide is going to result in rebound insomnia. Only some people have the sleep walking side effects with hypnotics - I have had no issues at all. If I wake up in the night for any reason and need to get out of bed, I feel perfectly fine, and falling back to sleep is fairly easy. Any drug you take could have side effects, but it might not. For example, I took Ambien for several weeks and it put me to sleep well, no night-time shenanigans, but I had the side effects of morning nausea and daytime anxiety, so it was not a good fit for me. Everyone is different. Listen to your doctor and if you don't like what they offer, find another one. My psychiatrist (who I was sent to when primary care would not prescribe benzos at all anymore) felt it was better to not sleep at all than to take sleep medication. He made me come off Klonopin without a good exit plan, leaving me with terrible insomnia and anxiety. He also told me not to take CBD and said, " Stop looking for something outside of yourself to help you sleep". Remeron did very little, if anything for my sleep issues, while it makes other people very groggy, like it did you. Best of luck to you!

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Exactly Right! The benefits of staying on a sleep med far outweigh not sleeping!!! So what do you take now? Hopefully something that works! Shame on the doctor who made you stop taking Klonopin! My doctor also sent me to a psychiatrist who had me try Mirtazapine...didn't work. So I'm staying on Lorazepam and my primary doctor is finally okay with it.

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@sleepstate

Maybe. But this really gets me! I don't need the government or pharmacy policing how I take my medication, this is ludicris! If someone is suicidal it won't matter if they've been prevented from hoarding controlled meds or not. Plenty of other meds are just as deadly overdosing on and plenty of ways to take your own life if that's what someone has decided to do. I have 2 drawers full of different pills mostly psych meds they handout like its candy and just as fatal if you take enough. My pediatric specialists used to bring me grocery bags full of medicine after I turned 18 and no longer covered on my dads policy. This included enough prednisone and sus-phrine vials/ syringes, terbutaline and other meds to last quite awhile. He was a professor of medicine, head of his dept and very much admired physician who today would end up in prison for making sure I had what I needed. He taught me at 18 that it's my responsibility to know what I'm taking and how to find that information in a PDR which is what every capable adult should do.

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I could not agree with you more!

It does sound like this person is in an assisted living facility, so that was what my comment addressed. My late mother-in-law was so angry that she wasn’t allowed to keep her own bufferin at her assisted living facility.

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I also have tried many sleep aids, from melatonin to Benadryl with mixed results. Lately I have had better results with a ZzzQuil Ultra product containing Doxylamine succinate, a small tablet in a hard to open blister pack. But it seems to work with sometimes 8 + hours, sometimes interrupted, but rolling over going right back to sleep. Often with a dry mouth, but water close by relieves this.

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@cindisue

Exactly Right! The benefits of staying on a sleep med far outweigh not sleeping!!! So what do you take now? Hopefully something that works! Shame on the doctor who made you stop taking Klonopin! My doctor also sent me to a psychiatrist who had me try Mirtazapine...didn't work. So I'm staying on Lorazepam and my primary doctor is finally okay with it.

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I am taking 2mg of Lunesta (generic) and it works pretty well - not as effective as 1mg Klonopin, but I have decided that if I am able, I will stay benzo free. It was just much too difficult to wean off, with awful side effects for months. And my taper was over 9 months.

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@chucklesg

I also have tried many sleep aids, from melatonin to Benadryl with mixed results. Lately I have had better results with a ZzzQuil Ultra product containing Doxylamine succinate, a small tablet in a hard to open blister pack. But it seems to work with sometimes 8 + hours, sometimes interrupted, but rolling over going right back to sleep. Often with a dry mouth, but water close by relieves this.

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I hear that works for a lot of people. I happen to be one who has a paradoxical reaction to antihistamines so they make me jittery instead of sleepy. That is all of them from Benadryl to Vistoril - I just can't take them at night.

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@con123

The only advice I can give you is to find a reputable sleep medicine doctor who knows the medications and can guide you to find a solution. All the sleep meds say "short term use" but with primary long-term insomnia, sometimes the benefits of staying on it outweigh the risks. Trust me, if I could sleep without help, that would be amazing, but having tried everything imaginable, and still was not sleeping, I'm ok with taking it long term. I did not have any major issues with Klonopin and it was great for sleep. It was terribly addictive but I didn't know that until I had to taper off, because I never increased my dose or craved it. Stopping just about any sleep aide is going to result in rebound insomnia. Only some people have the sleep walking side effects with hypnotics - I have had no issues at all. If I wake up in the night for any reason and need to get out of bed, I feel perfectly fine, and falling back to sleep is fairly easy. Any drug you take could have side effects, but it might not. For example, I took Ambien for several weeks and it put me to sleep well, no night-time shenanigans, but I had the side effects of morning nausea and daytime anxiety, so it was not a good fit for me. Everyone is different. Listen to your doctor and if you don't like what they offer, find another one. My psychiatrist (who I was sent to when primary care would not prescribe benzos at all anymore) felt it was better to not sleep at all than to take sleep medication. He made me come off Klonopin without a good exit plan, leaving me with terrible insomnia and anxiety. He also told me not to take CBD and said, " Stop looking for something outside of yourself to help you sleep". Remeron did very little, if anything for my sleep issues, while it makes other people very groggy, like it did you. Best of luck to you!

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Agree that finding a reputable sleep doctor is important. I was on Ativan (lorazepam); she was not thrilled with long term use of benzos. Connected me with sleep therapist and I did CBI. Did not work for me. But Ativan was no longer working and I didn’t want to increase it. Do she sent me to another therapist who worked with me to find the right med. (lunesta didn’t work and it’s not meant for long term) I now take Remeron (mirtazapine), I successfully tapered off of Ativan, and I sleep through the night about 95% of the time. I have done grogginess in the morning but it’s worth it. I feel so much better and my pcp (who no longer wanted to prescribe Ativan) is on board. (He is happy with this class of drugs.)
I was falling into severe depression and felt lousy all day without sleep. Now, if I have a bad night, I just tell myself that I’ll have a better one tonight. Makes such a difference to find out what works for each of us as individuals.

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I was treated with Klonopin for approximately 10 years, which was treating the extreme anxiety, agoraphobia, social anxiety, panic disorder, and epilepsy. The first time that I attempted to stop taking it, I didn't follow the tapering off rule and experienced several sudden grand mal seizures and injured myself gravely.

I spoke with my doctor about it and he told me to slowly reduce the prescribed dosage over the period of 12 weeks. He also began introducing 300mg of Gabapentin twice a day. I did not want such addictive and dangerous treatments for all of my ailments. . The overlapping of both medications at the same time produced amazing results. It was easier for me to train my body and mind. After just, a few days, I barely noticed the withdrawal symptoms of Klonopin and I have been off of them for about 20 years now.

The thick brain fog, lethargy, negative emotions like depression, hopelessness, and, suicidal thoughts and tendencies, and the overall impact of the physical side effects went away. Now my self esteem is absolutely healthy . Changing medications can literally be the difference between life and death. But always talk to your doctors and specialists about it first. Good luck and I hope that you accomplish your goals.

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@kawanhee

Agree that finding a reputable sleep doctor is important. I was on Ativan (lorazepam); she was not thrilled with long term use of benzos. Connected me with sleep therapist and I did CBI. Did not work for me. But Ativan was no longer working and I didn’t want to increase it. Do she sent me to another therapist who worked with me to find the right med. (lunesta didn’t work and it’s not meant for long term) I now take Remeron (mirtazapine), I successfully tapered off of Ativan, and I sleep through the night about 95% of the time. I have done grogginess in the morning but it’s worth it. I feel so much better and my pcp (who no longer wanted to prescribe Ativan) is on board. (He is happy with this class of drugs.)
I was falling into severe depression and felt lousy all day without sleep. Now, if I have a bad night, I just tell myself that I’ll have a better one tonight. Makes such a difference to find out what works for each of us as individuals.

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How much Remeron do you take at night? I have severe insomnia (waking up after 4 hrs) and tried 7.5mg one night and although I did sleep, I was extremely tired and groggy for 3 days so I didn't continue with it. I've been taking Trazodone and it helps me fall asleep but doesn't help me go back to sleep after 4 hrs. I've been thinking of trying Remeron again at half my previous dose (3.75). Did your grogginess get better after being on the drug for a while? Thanks

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We are all so different - and what works for some people will be awful for another. For example, antihistamine type drugs have the opposite effect on me, and Remeron did absolutely nothing after 4 months. Klonopin worked very well for 12 years, but it is now a "bad drug" and no one wants to prescribe it. It is awful to get off, but I did. So far, I'm happy with Lunesta and I hope that continues. Good luck everyone, because it is awful not to sleep.

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