We miss our Mayo Phoenix... Ever since Medicare kicked in

Posted by Paul @phoenixpal, Oct 20, 2022

We really do! We miss the professionalism, the focus on the patient, not feeling like we're using up the doctor's time....

But then 2 years ago I had a Total Knee Replacement and the billing nightmare began. Before turning 65, we never saw a bill. Aside from $20 copay, our Blue Cross policy took care of it all.

Then came Medicare and major surgery. It took 2 years 100s of phone calls between Blue Cross, Mayo billing and Medicare. And we still paid over $1000 out of pocket.

We want to come back to Mayo and will try a simple office visit.

My question is: Is there a service that will take the plethora of Medicare checks sent to us, random checks for $1.50 to $500, checks for who knows what part of the procedure and bill, a service that can work with Medicare, Mayo billing and secondary insurer to sort all the confusion? We would gladly pay for the service! However since all parties insist on only speaking to us, I'm not sure how it would work.

Our plan at the moment is to come back to Mayo for simple checkups, but go to another hospital/provider, that accepts Medicare payments for any major procedures.

Anyone have a solution for this problem?

Thanks
Paul

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@phoenixpal

WELL WELL WELL... STOP THE PRESSES!!! I have JUST received this reply to my question to Mayo Portal from Patient Account Services. Apparently medicare billing has changed since my 2020 TKR!

"Good afternoon Paul,
Thank you for contacting Mayo Clinic Patient Account Services. We apologize for the delay in responding to your message.

We understand your frustration as we were frustrated as well with Medicare billing. Previously, Medicare paid patient directly; however, this has changed and Medicare now pays Mayo Clinic directly after they receive the claims from Mayo Clinic so you will not have the same frustration as you did a couple of years ago. If you have additional questions, please call Patient Accounts at 844-217-9591.. "

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@phoenixpal. Your persistence paid off! Mayo Clinic did research your questions and respond to you. This is very good news indeed and it's great information for everyone here to know. It's celebration time indeed. 👏😀

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Thank you Helen and Colleen.
I guess there's bad news too. We waited too long, over 3 years and Primary Care over at Thunderbird has not been taking "new" patients since 2020.

I did get in right under the 3 yr cutoff with Dermatology out on Shea. So there's that anyway.

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@phoenixpal

@SusanEllen66
@vic83
Yes we have been Arizona residents for over 5 years. We were grandfathered in to Mayo with medicare when we turned 65 and went on TRADITIONAL, NOT ADVANTAGE MEDICARE, .because we were patients before we turned 65.
We are still in their system. I have made a dermatologist annual screening appointment with them to see how the billing will go.
But I am DEFINITELY not getting anything serious done with Mayo unless and until this billing catastrophe is resolved.

Funny no AZ major medical people have chimed in.

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I am editing a message that I sent before seeing that your problem got resolved. So, now, I just say Congratulations!

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Yup. World-class care, but ONLY if you have world-class INSURANCE.

Been going here 10 years. Once I started on Medicare, you get charged for every little thing. And Medicare will not pay beyond very limited services. Expect LOTS of hidden charges.

Mayo says they will accept Medicare, but as I understand it, that's a real narrow interpretation on their part. They very clearly discourage people over 65.

And after going here for two more years while on Medicare, I thought to ask before treatments as to cost of services, what's covered by Medicare, etc. None of the Mayo providers could provide an answer! Only "make sure you sign that form saying you're responsible for anything your insurance doesn't pay for. " Welcome to open-ended charges. Who does that when hiring someone? Do you give ANY professional carte blanche when billing you for services???

Oh well, time to look for another provider.

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@mrfixit

Yup. World-class care, but ONLY if you have world-class INSURANCE.

Been going here 10 years. Once I started on Medicare, you get charged for every little thing. And Medicare will not pay beyond very limited services. Expect LOTS of hidden charges.

Mayo says they will accept Medicare, but as I understand it, that's a real narrow interpretation on their part. They very clearly discourage people over 65.

And after going here for two more years while on Medicare, I thought to ask before treatments as to cost of services, what's covered by Medicare, etc. None of the Mayo providers could provide an answer! Only "make sure you sign that form saying you're responsible for anything your insurance doesn't pay for. " Welcome to open-ended charges. Who does that when hiring someone? Do you give ANY professional carte blanche when billing you for services???

Oh well, time to look for another provider.

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@mrfixit, you may be interested in this related discussion where fellow Mayo Clinic patients are talking about how Medicare is used at Mayo Clinic.
- Does Mayo Clinic take Medicare? https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/does-mayo-clinic-take-medicare/

Insurance and comprehensive coverage is complex and frustrating. To get more information, you may wish to contact Mayo Clinic Insurance and Billing.

– Insurance & Billing: Contact https://www.mayoclinic.org/patient-visitor-guide/billing-insurance/contact-us

Insurance regulations are different at the 3 campuses and the Mayo Clinic Health Systems campuses in part due to state regulations. Here are the contact numbers for each location.
Patient Appointment Services
- AZ 480-301-8484
- FL 904-953-0853
- MN 844-217-9591
- MCHS 1-844-217-9591

For guidance on what type of Medicare might work best for you, you can contact Medicare at 1-877-839-2675 to be connected with your local Area Agency on Aging where trained counselors can help walk through the options.

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@mrfixit

Yup. World-class care, but ONLY if you have world-class INSURANCE.

Been going here 10 years. Once I started on Medicare, you get charged for every little thing. And Medicare will not pay beyond very limited services. Expect LOTS of hidden charges.

Mayo says they will accept Medicare, but as I understand it, that's a real narrow interpretation on their part. They very clearly discourage people over 65.

And after going here for two more years while on Medicare, I thought to ask before treatments as to cost of services, what's covered by Medicare, etc. None of the Mayo providers could provide an answer! Only "make sure you sign that form saying you're responsible for anything your insurance doesn't pay for. " Welcome to open-ended charges. Who does that when hiring someone? Do you give ANY professional carte blanche when billing you for services???

Oh well, time to look for another provider.

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Sorry to hear you have insurance issues.
I have Medicare A and B, with AARP/United Healthcare (Med B, plan G). I have had extensive testing, including a cardiac catherization at MC in Rochester. I do have a higher premium than other Med B plans, but my out of pocket is very minimal.
Like many types of insurance, e.g. auto, generally the higher the premium the less deductible and out of pocket cost, and vise versa.
You may benefit from talking with trained health care insurance expert. I have one I can talk with at my financial planners office. AARP my also offer some resources.
Good luck, be well.

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@wessells

Sorry to hear you have insurance issues.
I have Medicare A and B, with AARP/United Healthcare (Med B, plan G). I have had extensive testing, including a cardiac catherization at MC in Rochester. I do have a higher premium than other Med B plans, but my out of pocket is very minimal.
Like many types of insurance, e.g. auto, generally the higher the premium the less deductible and out of pocket cost, and vise versa.
You may benefit from talking with trained health care insurance expert. I have one I can talk with at my financial planners office. AARP my also offer some resources.
Good luck, be well.

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Looking into resources offered by AARP is a good idea, @wessells.

I found this place to help people get started:
- Health Care and Coverage (AARP) https://www.aarp.org/health/health-insurance/

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@danab

Hi Paul and welcome, I too have been in a roller coaster ride when I was originally on BCBS federal which did well with my original transplant year but became out of network after the first year. I had complications unrelated to the transplant itself but stemed from the reduced immusupresion and the recurrence of viruses which required an expensive treatment. So because BCBS was now out if network I would receive the check from BCBS and cash it then send a personal check to Mayo with the Eob and figured it would be applied to the appropriate bill. But this didn't happen and I was now treated as self pay. Well this raised the cost to me of everything. I'm still in negotiations on this matter now 3 years later but it appears it will work out in my favor.
This all happen in 2019 and in 2020 I started getting my National Guard pension which came with it a secondary insurance of Tricare which is an accepted insurance by Mayo but because of the BCBS as primary it fell to secondary. So this added to the confusion as tricare wanted to know what BCBS paid before they would pay anything. But with BCBS not sending EOB to Mayo directly, Mayo billed tricare directly without the amount that BCBS paid and was denied on that bases.
Thats the nightmare I've been going thru for over 2 years now. Finally after many phone calls my account just this year has been frozen to evaluate what happen. I've paid about 13,000 our of pocket and figure they owe me some back. Now realize I had a very expensive transplant of close to a million dollars so I'm not upset to pay some. But in my case I have insurance that will pay but needed additional information which wasn't provided. So in my case it a matter if resubmitting the correct information to the secondary insurance and receiving the money they would normally pay, thus reducing what I owed.
Now I ended up working with Lisa in the Social Workers dept to help navigate this whole area and She helped me alot to get to the right person in the finance dept who has been very helpful in figuring out how to fix this. He is still working on it in my case but it's in the finial stages now.
So to wrap up, I now have Medicare A&B with Tricare for life as secondary and haven't paid anything out of pocket since those became effective. Hope that helps and good luck with your situation. Keep at it is my advice.
Blessings

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@danab,
We are still trying to resolve the out-of-network billing issue we have and the dismissive response we got from Billing is that we need to work it out with our insurance! However, our insurance says Mayo has to submit the claim properly in order for the member to get the in-network benefit covered under our plan!! May I ask who is your contact at Mayo who is helping you resolve your billing issues at Mayo? I'd like to get in touch with him/her to see they can possibly help us with our billing issue. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks!

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@caretakermom

@danab,
We are still trying to resolve the out-of-network billing issue we have and the dismissive response we got from Billing is that we need to work it out with our insurance! However, our insurance says Mayo has to submit the claim properly in order for the member to get the in-network benefit covered under our plan!! May I ask who is your contact at Mayo who is helping you resolve your billing issues at Mayo? I'd like to get in touch with him/her to see they can possibly help us with our billing issue. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks!

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@caretakermom, I was under the impression that we had connected you with someone through the transplant department. I will send you a private message to help get to the bottom of your special circumstance.

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@wessells

Sorry to hear you have insurance issues.
I have Medicare A and B, with AARP/United Healthcare (Med B, plan G). I have had extensive testing, including a cardiac catherization at MC in Rochester. I do have a higher premium than other Med B plans, but my out of pocket is very minimal.
Like many types of insurance, e.g. auto, generally the higher the premium the less deductible and out of pocket cost, and vise versa.
You may benefit from talking with trained health care insurance expert. I have one I can talk with at my financial planners office. AARP my also offer some resources.
Good luck, be well.

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You have traditional Medicare, with good Medigap policy. So do I and at MC Rochester I never saw a bill - and I had both VAT surgery and a cardiac stent done. The comment above about insurance regulations being different by State is interesting. We are lucky in Minnesota. I did read that Mayo Arizona handles things differently.
One thing did happen though with billing - I originally had emergency angiogram done in Twin Cities and they identified blockage. I refused stent because I knew I had something wrong with my lung/upcoming Mayo appointment and I ALSO KNEW a stent requires blood thinning treatment for 6-12 months and nobody would want to operate on me while I was on Plavix. So, they put me on medication for the coronary blockage until I could resolve the lung issue. A few weeks later I had lung surgery, and they removed a stage 1b cancer. I MADE THE RIGHT CALL!!!! I was nervous about refusing the stent but they did tell me that research shows one can manage on medication and not a stent for CAD. With my type of lung cancer, I know that surgery could be a possibility in the future, and I did not want to compromise my treatment options. So, I asked for a consult at Mayo on whether given my blockage characteristics, it was better for me to stay on medication or do a stent. Unfortunately, when they did the angiogram in Minneapolis, they did not do any measurements about blood flow and that would be key to the decision (many places do not take this measurement). Mayo suggested a blood measure CT scan test, put it in the system and Medicare refuses to cover it. WHAT?? Cost $11000, NO I am not going to pay that. Mayo then recommended I do another angiogram with blood flow measurements and make decision on that. That is of course more invasive, but I do it and actually they do decide on a stent. Now I did a little googling and found guidelines about when to do this CT blood flow test. I suspect that the reason Medicare did not want to cover that test was because I had already done an angiogram 4 months before showing severe blockage.

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