Another ablation after 20 years, how have they changed?

Posted by bohaiboy @bohaiboy, Apr 1 11:59pm

I fad a radial ablation in 2006. For the most part, 99% good. An occasional episode, but rare. I am 70 lbs lighter and also use a CPAP religiously. Went in for a six month check up and the did an ekg. Two different machines. Indicated I was in afib but didn’t feel it at all. Doc suggested at my age, 66, that I consider anther ablation. (20 years since first one). He said untreated, even tho I don’t feel like I am in afib, can lead to premature heart failure. Thoughts?

My first ablation was approximately 5 hrs. Have they improved times? And different techniques? TIA

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First-time posting here. I am considering PFA for Afib/flutter. Cardioversion for flutter worked for 14 months. Then AFib set in and second cardioversion did not work completely, although my heart rate is now normal. The cardioversions were done by cardiologists. I've now been seen by the EP who suggested the PFA. I am 82 and uncertain whether to have this complicated procedure. My torso is compressed due to moderate scoliosis, making me concerned about insertion of the catheters. I'm not enthusiastic about anesthesia, either, having had several prior lengthy surgeries. I will appreciate all insights from this group. Thank you in advance.

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@janegul second opinion always. Ask about Blanking Period after procedure 3 months after PA heart rate. I had PA and watchman went well over 3 weeks ago. 6 days ago as soonest I started walking my hr goes up 112 to 120 I feel fine when I sit a tiny shortness of breath. I feel fine just annoyed Is called the Blanking Period I have an Apple Watch very helpful. The very best to you

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@janegul second opinion always. Ask about Blanking Period after procedure 3 months after PA heart rate. I had PA and watchman went well over 3 weeks ago. 6 days ago as soonest I started walking my hr goes up 112 to 120 I feel fine when I sit a tiny shortness of breath. I feel fine just annoyed Is called the Blanking Period I have an Apple Watch very helpful. The very best to you

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@veronica0127 Thank you very much! I'm making a list of questions to ask at my next appt. Not rushing into this at my age.

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@veronica0127 Thank you very much! I'm making a list of questions to ask at my next appt. Not rushing into this at my age.

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@janegul Best Wishes keep me informed. Take care. Blessings

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First-time posting here. I am considering PFA for Afib/flutter. Cardioversion for flutter worked for 14 months. Then AFib set in and second cardioversion did not work completely, although my heart rate is now normal. The cardioversions were done by cardiologists. I've now been seen by the EP who suggested the PFA. I am 82 and uncertain whether to have this complicated procedure. My torso is compressed due to moderate scoliosis, making me concerned about insertion of the catheters. I'm not enthusiastic about anesthesia, either, having had several prior lengthy surgeries. I will appreciate all insights from this group. Thank you in advance.

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@janegul I am not an expert, nor am I a physician. However, I don't see how scoliosis can have a substantially detrimental effect on the passage of a catheter up your femoral vein to your heart. After all, your own blood doesn't seem to have any trouble with that path!

I can't address your concerns over anesthesia, but I do think you are right to at least inquire and to be wary. My own father was recently in hospital and was being told he might have to have surgery under a GA. He mentioned the caution typical for well-ripened seniors, but the internist said it was a lot of hogwash. No worries, he said. It may be true that some aged people won't do especially well under GA, but I suspect they have other problems that a GA would likely exacerbate.

And if the worse comes to the worst, some anesthetists can snow you just enough that you're fully sedated but not 'out'.

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@gloaming I had a pulsed ablation and watchman. Over 3 weeks ago all good but 6 days ago my hr goes up as soonest I start walking 112 to 120 I feel fine little shortness of breath after I sit down. I was told is blanking period new normal I came ep its normal my heart is recovering from procedure. I am getting a TEE May 1. Any thoughts. I love walking I am still doing less than a mile I am not dizzy or tired. I was told to take it easy. I wax never explained before procedure about the Blanking Period. Have a great day.

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@veronica0127 The blanking period typically runs about 10 weeks from the date of the ablation. Some EPs leave their patients on the medications they were on, maybe at a reduced dose, for much or all of the blanking period. This includes AADs, anti-arrhythmic drugs like flecainide or Tikosyn, even propafenone (Rhythmol). About the 12-week mark or so, you would be invited to wear a Holter monitor or similar device for up to 24 hours, but often it's a mid-afternoon pickup and fitting and you drop it off near noon the next day. You record on a sheet provided all significant events, meals, snacks, exercise, anything that you know might 'set you off' with a rapid heartbeat, but with the time included....when each started and stopped. This way they can match up any blips of arrhythmia, if they occur, with a significant stressor or event.

I am not an expert in this and have no medical training. I would think, and hope, that an EP assigning you a Holter monitor would want you off all rate control and arrythmic drugs at least a full week beforehand. You would want the Holter to see the unvarnished heart you really have post-ablation, warts and all. NOT being babied by the drugs!

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@janegul I am not an expert, nor am I a physician. However, I don't see how scoliosis can have a substantially detrimental effect on the passage of a catheter up your femoral vein to your heart. After all, your own blood doesn't seem to have any trouble with that path!

I can't address your concerns over anesthesia, but I do think you are right to at least inquire and to be wary. My own father was recently in hospital and was being told he might have to have surgery under a GA. He mentioned the caution typical for well-ripened seniors, but the internist said it was a lot of hogwash. No worries, he said. It may be true that some aged people won't do especially well under GA, but I suspect they have other problems that a GA would likely exacerbate.

And if the worse comes to the worst, some anesthetists can snow you just enough that you're fully sedated but not 'out'.

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@gloaming Thanks for these helpful observations. Lots to ponder. I enjoyed your characterization of "well-ripened seniors" BTW.

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First-time posting here. I am considering PFA for Afib/flutter. Cardioversion for flutter worked for 14 months. Then AFib set in and second cardioversion did not work completely, although my heart rate is now normal. The cardioversions were done by cardiologists. I've now been seen by the EP who suggested the PFA. I am 82 and uncertain whether to have this complicated procedure. My torso is compressed due to moderate scoliosis, making me concerned about insertion of the catheters. I'm not enthusiastic about anesthesia, either, having had several prior lengthy surgeries. I will appreciate all insights from this group. Thank you in advance.

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@janegul I had a catheter ablation for. SVT 3 weeks ago. 3 hours, done completely under conscious sedation. The "conscious " part is a bit of a misnomer; I remember absolutely nothing! But my after-surgery report says I was "awake, alert and participated in the procedure." There was no leftover grogginess at all, I was in recovery about 20 minutes before they sent me back to my room. Home a few hours later, zero leftover anesthesia effects. After that experience, I'm no longer nervous about conscious anesthesia.

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@janegul I had a catheter ablation for. SVT 3 weeks ago. 3 hours, done completely under conscious sedation. The "conscious " part is a bit of a misnomer; I remember absolutely nothing! But my after-surgery report says I was "awake, alert and participated in the procedure." There was no leftover grogginess at all, I was in recovery about 20 minutes before they sent me back to my room. Home a few hours later, zero leftover anesthesia effects. After that experience, I'm no longer nervous about conscious anesthesia.

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@osgilian Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with anesthesia. Very helpful!

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@janegul I had a catheter ablation for. SVT 3 weeks ago. 3 hours, done completely under conscious sedation. The "conscious " part is a bit of a misnomer; I remember absolutely nothing! But my after-surgery report says I was "awake, alert and participated in the procedure." There was no leftover grogginess at all, I was in recovery about 20 minutes before they sent me back to my room. Home a few hours later, zero leftover anesthesia effects. After that experience, I'm no longer nervous about conscious anesthesia.

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@osgilian

Where and surgeons name?

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@osgilian

Where and surgeons name?

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@1farmergary Hartford Connecticut, St Francis hospital, Dr Majahan. Came highly recommended by my very exacting cardiologist of 25+ years.

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