Things people say to "help"

Posted by dougkeon @dougkeon, Dec 12, 2023

"It is what it is." That's my brother-in-law's favourite last line after I try to get some help/advice with my depression and anxiety. While he thinks he is helping, he's unknowingly being very insensitive and very, very cruel. I hate that line so much. It really hurts. Does anyone know how to respond to friends/family when they say dumb things like that, thinking they're helping you?

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--"This, too, shall pass." (which is true about some things)
--" No, it won't. This is an incurable, progressive, degenerative disease. It never goes away." (I used this one on my sister, the toxically positive one. Sometimes, you just have to face a hard reality and come to terms with it somehow, not pretend it away.)

--"How are you?"
-- "I'm hanging in there. How are you?" (not a lie; not the full truth. Reactions vary, according to person, time, and place. )

--"How are you?"
-- "Do you want the truth or a polite fiction? I'm fine. The truth will take an hour so we can talk about it later if you like. How are you?"

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Sadly most people are clueless or really they feel UNCOMFORTABLE in their own "skin" so when faced with a person who is suffering grab at meaningless straws. I am not so sure also they are being purposely rude, cruel but what does come out of their mouths is insensitive. It's the "pull yourself up by your boot straps" syndrome.
I also feel such folks are "afraid" to face a suffering person out of FEAR it could be them someday and go into denial, denial and denial. So they "pretend" all is well with everyone & everything in their world. When it is not.
It's the lucky person who does have a friend or relative who is really "tuned in" to know how to truly help a person suffering from a mental health condition or the heart breaking loss of a loved one. Such empathic folks are secure in themselves and can "give" of themselves to folks who are hurting so badly. I would simply suggest to ignore such insensitivity or - if you are up to it - simply say "you don't understand what I am going through and what you just said is not helping me at all, it's actually hurtful". Maybe, maybe (?) they will then get a sense of their behaviors and wise up for the next time they are faced with a family member or friend who is suffering.
Again, no one truly knows what another person is suffering until they have walked a mile in their shoes.
Hang in and hold on to all who are emotionally and mentally suffering. One small step at a time, one moment at a time. And always, always loving kindness to yourself!! You - yourself - are your own BEST friend.

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@frances007

in reply to @dougkeon We must have the same relatives. I spent a better part of my career with Nationwide Insurance, and when they came out with that ad campaign, "Life Comes at You Fast", it became my sister's response to nearly everything under the sun. I kept telling her she needed to be a little more original, even if the statement is true. My sister also uses that line you mentioned, and I understand how you feel when this is said, even if the person saying it "might" care about what you are going through, but is unable to find the "best" way to encourage or support you. Or, "it could always be worse." Of course it could! Or, "it is God's will." A friendship of mine ended as a result of that one because I asked her if it was really God's will that so many children are killed each year as a result of mass shootings. I heard someone say to me recently, "I'm just sayin." Or, "it's all good." Many just don't "get it" and when they try to express concern or empathy, they end up sticking their foot in their mouth, just like when the woman who said it "is God's will" told me I looked like a Holocaust victim and needed to wear make up so I would not look so gaunt.

A few days ago I ran into a friend/neighbor I had not seen in a couple of months, and she looked at me and said, "there is something about you that looks different." I mentioned I had just gotten new glasses, but she said that wasn't it, so I said, "I am wearing eye makeup for a change." Her response, "oh that is just great, keep wearing it as it makes you look SO MUCH BETTER." Go figure. Admittedly, I did look good, but I was left with the feeling that she was judging me in some fashion. Afterall, without the eye make up, one can see the dark circles around my eyes and perhaps how "dead" I feel sometimes. Whatever. If I have learned anything about being chronically ill is that the majority of people, at least in my community, have zero empathy or compassion, And as another member on this platform recently pointed out to me, we have to have empathy for those who do not. Many in my opinion do not deserve my empathy or sense of humanity, but I still find a way to express it because doing so reminds me that I have retained my own sense of character, while they have not.

I am sorry about what you are going through and wish I had a magic wand to wave your way.

My favorite way to deal with these comments is to remain silent or ask the person for some clarification. Ask what it is "that is." Recently someone asked me why I was so thin and what was wrong with me, and I astonished them by responding, "I am not even going to dignify that with an answer." Of course, the other person was speechless as I walked merrily away, thinking to myself, "yeah, right."

It is a terrible thing when someone just does not know what to say, says something like, "it is what it is" leaving you with the feeling that everything going on in your life has just been invalidated
Maybe you could try, "well, until we try to change it." Or, "it is though." Or, ask for some clarification, which might put your brother in law on the spot, and require him to "think" about what he just said.

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I was told by a friend about a mutual friend - well Melissa had lung cancer and then chemo and she is cured. And I'm like, I will never be cured. The furthest I can go is in remission. 🤷🏻‍♀️ what more can say. People just don't get it I'm sorry you're going thru this 🙁

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I have found that very few people care about how I, or anyone else for that matter, feels. They only care how I behave. Then I try to remember they are fighting their own unacknowledged battles and attempt to expect nothing. I also try to remember that everyone I meet has their own grief and may hurt me with the same words they use on themselves.

I am increasingly isolated as I am grieving so much loss and spend most days on the verge of tears. I have little to nothing to do with my sisters and am very careful around my mother whom I live with. She did acknowledge the other day that she never really showed me any love. She thought it was more important that I know how to behave. I know which utensils to use during an elegant dinner party.

I often feel that people avoid me because they do not or can not deal with the rawness of my pain. I make it a point to be open and vulnerable to provide an opening to others who want to talk. Listening to someone else never fails to make me feel better, so I invite people to talk and then try to be a good listener.

I send the two best hours of my day at the fitness center. I smile and say high to everyone. At first I'm not sure anyone knew what to make of me. I'm sure more then one woman thought I was hitting on her and at least a few guys probably thought I was gay. But now everyone says high to me. I don't talk that much to anyone in particular. It just nice to be around people who seem to be pleased to see me. I go out of my way to appreciate things other people are doing; we all want to be appreciated.

This is how I deal with the horrible things that the people who profess to care about me, (including medical professionals), often say. That and I have one friend who has also suffered greatly who cares as much about how I feel as I do about how he feels. We have breakfast together every Saturday.

Most days I just want to the day to end by whatever means necessary. I miss my ex-wife and children so much I can hardly breath. They are just the most important of everyone and everything that the treatment I received for the illness I may or may not have, took away from me.

Today I was training at the gym next to a young man who has severe mental illness, everyone avoids him. His is angry and unpredictable. He yells for help when he has tried to lift obviously too much weight and then curses those who rush to help him. Today when he yelled out I asked him if he was okay. He barked back that " he was always "angry, anxious and frustrated and he doesn't know why." I responded "me too".

I am lucky at least I know why.

I hope everyone finds the peace they deserve.

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I have one holiday decoration that I put up each year, a card sent to me by a friend, which reads:
"I like spending the holidays with my family about as much as I like a sharp stick in the eye."

My very last holiday dinner with my sister and her family was about 5 or 6 years ago. There were about 12 of us seated at the table, including my sister's brother in law, who had way too much to drink, and is really an idiot (this is putting it mildly). For some reason or another the topic of the prison system came up, probably because at the time my nephew was a prison guard. All I said was, "In NY they are doing some great things to keep prison systems under control...." Well, that comment led to me being totally blasted by this fellow, and I was astonished when my sister just sat there and did not come to my defense. I promptly stood up, got my bag and said to my sister, "please take me home now, I am never coming back to one of your dinners." And guess what, I never have returned, nor have I been invited.

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in reply to @dougkeon I totally forgot about something.
The last time I saw my urologist she said to me: "You keep losing weight. Fran, I know God has a plan for you. I do not know what it is, but I know He has a plan..." Very comforting.

How about: "Time heals all wounds. "Or, "It is time you got over this. " "I know what you are feeling, I understand what you are going through. " My favorite, "You have to move on." My sister loves this one, but then again, she's "good."

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It's a stupid line. But there is really nothing that people can say to me that makes me feel better. Except maybe some religious stuff, and when they say (and I know they mean it) that they are praying for me.

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in reply to @justynan Yes. I realize people "try" to be of help, when in fact, they are clueless. If prayers work for you, then I think that is great. However, instead of telling me: "God never gives you more than you can handle, they could say. "Let me come over and do some laundry."

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@frances007

in reply to @dougkeon Exactly. My sister was here on Monday, and over the weekend I had texted her that I had been having chest pains as a result of the stress from being a caregiver, and that I was also concerned about some lab tests I had to get today. Not one word was mentioned to me about either issue. As I was walking her out the door to her car, she mentioned my current UTI (I am laughing as I type this, seriously), and she said, "well that doesn't cause chronic diarrhea, do you have IBS?" Now we are nearing the neighbor's door, and I tell her, no I do not have IBS, but rather ulcerative colitis. "What do they do for that?" Nothing. Finally we got to her car, and said to me, "when people ask me how I am, I say, "I'm good." I reminded her that our mother did teach us to speak better than that, and that "good" is generally talking about the weather. Besides that, she is not "good" but rather a zombie because of some new medication that has caused a 360 in her personality and memory. I have learned not to share anything "medical" related with her, as this was the reason my other sister stopped talking to me years ago. She claimed some "life coach" who she spoke to on the phone told her to tell me she only wanted to talk about recipes. "There is always something wrong with you."
The last time I mentioned something "medical" to her, she dared to say, "get over it. you have nothing to complain about, you have a nice apartment and a lovely garden."
Interestingly enough, a few weeks ago she did send me a link that contained some great comebacks when someone asks how you are doing, and I have found them to be very helpful. My favorites are, "I plead the fifth" and "Why don't you go first?" Some of the responses really do catch people off guard, such as " I am wondering how you are."

Check it out: boxofpuns.com

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Great combacks. Thanks!

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@briarrose

Sadly most people are clueless or really they feel UNCOMFORTABLE in their own "skin" so when faced with a person who is suffering grab at meaningless straws. I am not so sure also they are being purposely rude, cruel but what does come out of their mouths is insensitive. It's the "pull yourself up by your boot straps" syndrome.
I also feel such folks are "afraid" to face a suffering person out of FEAR it could be them someday and go into denial, denial and denial. So they "pretend" all is well with everyone & everything in their world. When it is not.
It's the lucky person who does have a friend or relative who is really "tuned in" to know how to truly help a person suffering from a mental health condition or the heart breaking loss of a loved one. Such empathic folks are secure in themselves and can "give" of themselves to folks who are hurting so badly. I would simply suggest to ignore such insensitivity or - if you are up to it - simply say "you don't understand what I am going through and what you just said is not helping me at all, it's actually hurtful". Maybe, maybe (?) they will then get a sense of their behaviors and wise up for the next time they are faced with a family member or friend who is suffering.
Again, no one truly knows what another person is suffering until they have walked a mile in their shoes.
Hang in and hold on to all who are emotionally and mentally suffering. One small step at a time, one moment at a time. And always, always loving kindness to yourself!! You - yourself - are your own BEST friend.

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Thanks for the info! Great advice.

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