SVT episode, how long is too long or when to go to ER?

Posted by cedarbog @cedarbog, Sep 5 8:36am

I was diagnosed with PSVT one year ago and have declined an ablation in favor of self management. My heart rate jumps to 150 when an episode begins, usually in bed at night. Initially, I had great success stopping it with Valsalva maneuvers, then no luck. Now I take a beta blocker (Lopressor) when an episode begins, and another dose if normal sinus rhythm is not restored. Recently, my PSVT episodes are becoming 12 hour plus experiences. (Some might be a mix of AF & PSVT.) I can’t get clarity on whether these extended episodes are doing any damage to my heart or direction on when to give up and go to the ER. There is no EKG evidence of straining; no ST or T wave changes. Every case is different, but would appreciate input. Thank you.

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one more thing... no one should have episodes lasting 12
hours...actually a great time to get to the office, or ER for a 12 gauge EKG......easier said than done, if you are not in a close radius of either... your risk of stroke increases with the time span of the event.
a great choice is to see an electrocardiologist, versus a cardiologist...If you can be referred, you would get much more info about your own problem... as you said, do those episodes cause increased weakening, etc?

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I live within 1/2 mile of a walk-in urgent care facility and also, a large Trauma 1 hospital. I am under the care of an EP who is a senior member of the hospital’s cardiovascular group. Your statement that “the risk of stroke increases with the span of the event” is medically incorrect, in the SVT context generally and given the particulars of my case. The prolonged episodes only make me tired, requiring a nap. However, frequent episodes, of long duration probably weaken the heart’s walls, which warrants further investigation. Thanks again for your input!

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There is SVT and there is SVT with RVR. Same for atrial fibrillation (AF). A heart rate higher than 100 BPM is a sign of RVR, meaning your ventricles are responding to the same signal. The AV node is passing it down to the two ventricles and, unless there is a bundle branch block, they'll both respond within a few milliseconds of each other and of the atria above them. It's a sinus rhythm, but it's a tachyarrhythmia.
I have looked for something definitive about how long to let a run of AF or SVT go when RVR is apparently present, and the answer is 24 hours. But that's only a guide. A much, MUCH, better guide is how the arrhythmia makes you feel. If you feel faint, do faint, are disoriented, short of breath, and generally feeling unwell, needing help to do basic things, then you need to get to an ER.
Personally, as a wimpy AF sufferer, I never let mine go for more than 6 hours. Not only did I feel deeply anxious, and was I acutely aware of the thumping in my chest, but my HR was always north of 140, and at 70 years of age, that's putting me at my theoretical maximum. And I'm seated!
I have seen recent research that the risk of stroke with SVT is higher, about two times, but only as a first study. The paper said more research was needed. There was no mention about how long one had to be in SVT. For AF, the risk rises with the length of the run, and current protocols suggest a DOAC like Rivaroxaban or Apixaban after 24 hours. Thinking of the mechanism and what's happening inside the left atrium within a few minutes, I would think the risk of a stroke from a dislodged clot goes way up within a few minutes. But, I'm no expert, have not done any research of my own except reading what others have stated, and I'm safely on a DOAC. With AF, not with SVT.

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I’m in the same boat as you….
But I’ve had two ablations for a fib and svt

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I live within 1/2 mile of a walk-in urgent care facility and also, a large Trauma 1 hospital. I am under the care of an EP who is a senior member of the hospital’s cardiovascular group. Your statement that “the risk of stroke increases with the span of the event” is medically incorrect, in the SVT context generally and given the particulars of my case. The prolonged episodes only make me tired, requiring a nap. However, frequent episodes, of long duration probably weaken the heart’s walls, which warrants further investigation. Thanks again for your input!

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Thanks for that reassurance

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There is SVT and there is SVT with RVR. Same for atrial fibrillation (AF). A heart rate higher than 100 BPM is a sign of RVR, meaning your ventricles are responding to the same signal. The AV node is passing it down to the two ventricles and, unless there is a bundle branch block, they'll both respond within a few milliseconds of each other and of the atria above them. It's a sinus rhythm, but it's a tachyarrhythmia.
I have looked for something definitive about how long to let a run of AF or SVT go when RVR is apparently present, and the answer is 24 hours. But that's only a guide. A much, MUCH, better guide is how the arrhythmia makes you feel. If you feel faint, do faint, are disoriented, short of breath, and generally feeling unwell, needing help to do basic things, then you need to get to an ER.
Personally, as a wimpy AF sufferer, I never let mine go for more than 6 hours. Not only did I feel deeply anxious, and was I acutely aware of the thumping in my chest, but my HR was always north of 140, and at 70 years of age, that's putting me at my theoretical maximum. And I'm seated!
I have seen recent research that the risk of stroke with SVT is higher, about two times, but only as a first study. The paper said more research was needed. There was no mention about how long one had to be in SVT. For AF, the risk rises with the length of the run, and current protocols suggest a DOAC like Rivaroxaban or Apixaban after 24 hours. Thinking of the mechanism and what's happening inside the left atrium within a few minutes, I would think the risk of a stroke from a dislodged clot goes way up within a few minutes. But, I'm no expert, have not done any research of my own except reading what others have stated, and I'm safely on a DOAC. With AF, not with SVT.

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This is all very helpful for me yo read and I thank you sincerely

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There is SVT and there is SVT with RVR. Same for atrial fibrillation (AF). A heart rate higher than 100 BPM is a sign of RVR, meaning your ventricles are responding to the same signal. The AV node is passing it down to the two ventricles and, unless there is a bundle branch block, they'll both respond within a few milliseconds of each other and of the atria above them. It's a sinus rhythm, but it's a tachyarrhythmia.
I have looked for something definitive about how long to let a run of AF or SVT go when RVR is apparently present, and the answer is 24 hours. But that's only a guide. A much, MUCH, better guide is how the arrhythmia makes you feel. If you feel faint, do faint, are disoriented, short of breath, and generally feeling unwell, needing help to do basic things, then you need to get to an ER.
Personally, as a wimpy AF sufferer, I never let mine go for more than 6 hours. Not only did I feel deeply anxious, and was I acutely aware of the thumping in my chest, but my HR was always north of 140, and at 70 years of age, that's putting me at my theoretical maximum. And I'm seated!
I have seen recent research that the risk of stroke with SVT is higher, about two times, but only as a first study. The paper said more research was needed. There was no mention about how long one had to be in SVT. For AF, the risk rises with the length of the run, and current protocols suggest a DOAC like Rivaroxaban or Apixaban after 24 hours. Thinking of the mechanism and what's happening inside the left atrium within a few minutes, I would think the risk of a stroke from a dislodged clot goes way up within a few minutes. But, I'm no expert, have not done any research of my own except reading what others have stated, and I'm safely on a DOAC. With AF, not with SVT.

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Very helpful information, and perspective, thanks @gloaming. Presence of other symptoms (beside rapid heartbeat) is key to the ER go/no go decision. Also, your earlier comments about being in tune with the emotional and psychological impact of having SVT were useful, especially in making the ablation decision. The spiritual-existential dimension of the condition cannot be denied or the implications of an “inhibited existence.”

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My dad with CHF and other issues had a Watchnan put in at the age of 90 and he lived to be 98.

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