Should I take Big 3 + inhaled ARIKAYCE

Posted by helen1000 @helen1000, Jun 5 11:21am

I am currently 48 year old, I have NTM- MAC with a couple of cavities (1.3 cm * 2.2cm , and 0.5cm* 0.5cm), the big one increased in size from last year ( it was 1.9cm * 1.2cm) and this small one (0.5cm* 0.5cm) is new. Also I have nodules in both lungs widespread. I am using Saline 7% but I don't know whether it helps with cavity. Also my sputum test turned from negative to positive this year. My doctor is concerned that the cavity will keep increasing in size and quantity so he wants me to start antibiotics as soon as possible. He is a great doctor.

I am deeply concerned about the side effects of big 3 + inhaled Arikayce, that my doctor is going to prescribe for me.

Do you think these antibiotics will help with MAC? I truly doubt about it. I did a lot of research, MCA is too hard to cure and it may come back. Not to mention the side effects... I also studies Sue's cases and she is doing really great with Saline 7% without extra antibiotics.

My doctor ( NY) also says they are going to study phage therapy next year. ( I shared my story about phage in Belgium in this forum ) But he says that any new type of antibiotics is not in the pipeline yet. So I am thinking maybe I should take antibiotics. He thinks maybe I can tolerate the medication because of my relatively young age. I don't have other diseases so far.

Do you have any suggestion for me? I am thinking of just closely monitoring with CT every three months. Really struggle with my decision.

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@silverlinda

How can anyone afford Arikayce reading one post that is on Medicare which is what I'd be on was 6000.00 a month!

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I was diagnosed with MAC twice (and likely have it again) and used the big three plus arikayce and was on a scholarship program with the company. I just paid for the oral meds thru my Medicare advantage plan.

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@bamaqueen

Thank you, I did see that as a possibility. My ID unfortunately had no clue about what she was ordering. She ordered it from my regular pharmacy and was shocked at the cost. I’ve been put on the “back burner” while she investigates, plus my mother had just died when this all came about. I’m just trying to decide on my next step, another ID or what. This is year 3 of trying to diagnose and treat. Initial diagnosis was allergies and acid reflux after seeing 4 specialist! Next year switched doctors and actually had a culture. Pseudomonas. Over a year of treating and not treating until last September when I begged my doctor to admit me and figure this out. End of December finally got the Mycobacterium Absessus diagnosis.
On my second ID because the first one prescribed Amikacin IV twice a day after an allergic reaction to Imipenem. The kicker was I had to go to the hospital for the infusions and lab work. Who can do that twice a day for months? That is when i asked my PC to find me a new specialist. Liked her a lot, but obviously not a Mycobacterium specialist.
I know MAC doesn’t typically require IV meds, but Absessus does from my extensive reading.
All my other meds for pseudomonas were home infusions.
Sorry to ramble. Hoping someone who has any insight will chime in. Thanks again.

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I also have M. Abscessus. ID doctor says it’s more difficult to treat than MAC and is faster growing. I started with Arikayce, Azithromax, and Omadacycline last October. All of my cultures since then have been negative. I think Arikayce helped, but I ended up in the hospital the second month. They thought Arikayce was responsible so they took me off. In its place I’m taking IV cifoxican. I know the problems you’re talking about. Dosage is twice a day. I do those myself at home, but I have to have a nurse each week for blood draw and dressing change. Medication comes from a specialty pharmacy, but they have to sub contract nursing and they charge me for supplies as they cannot bill Medicare for them. Finally arranged for the ID doctor’s infusion clinic to do the weekly visit, but I have to go there, Not bad since Medicare covers and it is only once per week. The supply charge was $120 per day! Pharmacy finally got me a program that pays 70%. You just have to keep asking and pushing.

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@robinzemp

I also have M. Abscessus. ID doctor says it’s more difficult to treat than MAC and is faster growing. I started with Arikayce, Azithromax, and Omadacycline last October. All of my cultures since then have been negative. I think Arikayce helped, but I ended up in the hospital the second month. They thought Arikayce was responsible so they took me off. In its place I’m taking IV cifoxican. I know the problems you’re talking about. Dosage is twice a day. I do those myself at home, but I have to have a nurse each week for blood draw and dressing change. Medication comes from a specialty pharmacy, but they have to sub contract nursing and they charge me for supplies as they cannot bill Medicare for them. Finally arranged for the ID doctor’s infusion clinic to do the weekly visit, but I have to go there, Not bad since Medicare covers and it is only once per week. The supply charge was $120 per day! Pharmacy finally got me a program that pays 70%. You just have to keep asking and pushing.

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Thank you for your reply. I've done home infusions 3 separate times with a nurse coming in once a week. I'm still under home health care, but just every two weeks right now since I'm not having any treatment. Fortunately my insurance covers that.
My dilemma is finding a doctor that knows what to do. My second ID doctor said I was lucky the first one didn't kill me!! He's the "best" and only one locally, lots of great reviews. Second is the one that didn't know Arikayce is a specialty drug and ordered it from my grocery store pharmacy!
I don't know why the first doctor that ordered Amikacin IV required me to go the a hospital 25 miles away (not the one by my house) twice a day for infusions and labs during infusions. I don't see anyone else dealing with that kind of stuff. This was the second treatment after reacting badly to Imipenum IV.
Just very frustrating.
How do people manage to go to Mayo 400 miles away for treatment?
I'd pull my hair out, but it's falling out too much already!!!

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@helen1000

Kampo medicine case , extracted from above article: Hence, a bukuryoshigyakuto (Panax ginseng 1g, Aconiti tuber 1g, Glycyrrhizae radix 2g, Poria cocos 5g and Zingiber siccatum 2g) decoction (to infuse a total of 11 g of each herb with 400 ml of water for 30–40 min to make 200 ml, and to take in two divided doses) was started after a medical examination based on Kampo principles, while discontinuing the current treatment with clarithromycin, rifampicin and ethambutol. Within a few months, her eyesight improved, her gait disturbance also improved, and she no longer needed to use a wheelchair. Her appetite returned, and her hemoptysis and sputum gradually decreased. During the course of her treatment, she stopped taking bukuryoshigyakuto for a while due to the complexity of the decoction. She again recognized an increase in the hemoptysis and restarted the medication, and since then has never stopped it. Her HRCT image findings also improved. Although the middle lobe and lingular segment bronchiectasis showed no changes, bilateral centrilobular lesions and dorsal predominant bronchiolitis improved significantly (Figure 1B). Her body weight increased from 30 to 42 kg within 3 years after starting bukuryoshigyakuto. Her laboratory data also improved, to a neutrophil count of 2,880 /μl, lymphocytes of 1,063 /μl, albumin level of 3.9 g/dl and hemoglobin level of 11.4 g/dl (Table 1). Her shortness of breath, hemoptysis and sputum also finally improved, although she had some residual cough and slight numbness in her legs. Currently, continuing outpatient visits and bukuryoshigyakuto therapy have maintained her AFB smear and culture negative status

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Please be careful for people who are interested in Kampo medicine. Some ingredients may be toxic, for example, raw Aconiti tuber, so you have to use prepared Aconiti tuber. Always consult an experienced herbal doctor before you try anything.

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@bamaqueen

Before I was prescribed Arikayce my first ID prescribed Zyvox as one of 3 and the pharmacy wasn’t filling it. I called and asked what the hold up was. It was $900 a month, my insurance didn’t cover. I found a coupon for $120. Ended up having a reaction to Imipenem IV and all meds were stopped first day. Wasted money.
Next ID prescribed Arikayce with iv Tigecycline and Bactrim. Again not being filled. She didn’t know it was a specialty drug and when I looked up the potential cost it was over $16,000 a month!! The IV med $600 ? A month.
I just threw in the towel. How do I find a competent doctor and affordable treatment? I’m a retired RN and thought I knew how to navigate the system. I’ve already had 3 IV lines. First two when they thought I just had pseudomonas. Then a PiCC line for Absessus that I used one day!!!!
Sorry I hijacked your post, but how do we afford this? When I’ve tried for help with Eliquis I am always just enough over in income to disqualify me. Same with Forteo for osteoporosis.

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What insurance do you have?
Harry

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@harrynsc

What insurance do you have?
Harry

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Never mind.

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@helen1000

Never mind.

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helen1000,
I'm not sure what your reply means or what predicated it.
We are a group of MAC sufferers that try to help each other.
Some of the people in California have Kaiser, some ex-military have Tricare,
Some have classice Medicare with a part D supplement, some have Medicare
Advantage, etc. All of them have different formularies. So when someone has
trouble with a particular drug, it helps to know which insurance plan they are
on because someone in the group may have had the same problem and can
offer a solution. Or someone may have the same insurance and may be discussing
with their doctor the possiblity of going on it.
Harry

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Fully understand! I am very happy to see people help each other 🙂 🙏

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@bamaqueen

Thank you for your reply. I've done home infusions 3 separate times with a nurse coming in once a week. I'm still under home health care, but just every two weeks right now since I'm not having any treatment. Fortunately my insurance covers that.
My dilemma is finding a doctor that knows what to do. My second ID doctor said I was lucky the first one didn't kill me!! He's the "best" and only one locally, lots of great reviews. Second is the one that didn't know Arikayce is a specialty drug and ordered it from my grocery store pharmacy!
I don't know why the first doctor that ordered Amikacin IV required me to go the a hospital 25 miles away (not the one by my house) twice a day for infusions and labs during infusions. I don't see anyone else dealing with that kind of stuff. This was the second treatment after reacting badly to Imipenum IV.
Just very frustrating.
How do people manage to go to Mayo 400 miles away for treatment?
I'd pull my hair out, but it's falling out too much already!!!

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What was your reaction to Imipenum if you do not mind my asking?

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@irenea8

What was your reaction to Imipenum if you do not mind my asking?

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First dose (two 50 ml iv bags) mild nausea.
Second infusion nausea end of first bag. Started second bag and was grabbing for the trash can. Vomiting, coughing, sneezing and uncontrollable shaking of arms and legs. Had husband help me disconnect my infusion and get in bed. Shook until I fell a sleep? For 3 hours. Called my ID next morning and he discontinued all 3 meds. I had only taken one Azithromycin. I was too nauseous for the Linezolid.

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