Polymyalgia Rheumatica (PMR): Meet others & Share Your Story

Welcome to the Polymyalgia Rheumatica (PMR) group on Mayo Clinic Connect.

Meet other members who are dealing with PMR. Let’s learn from each other and share stories about living well with PMR, coping with the challenges and offering tips.We look forward to welcoming you and introducing you to other members. Feel free to browse the topics or start a new one.

Grab a cup of coffee or beverage of choice and let’s chat. Why not start by introducing yourself? What's your experience with PMR? How are you doing today?

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Polymyalgia Rheumatica (PMR) Support Group.

@richardab

A question for others with PMR. I often wake up with no or little amounts of fatigue and body aches and am able to do numerous things around the house. By the afternoon, however, sometime after finishing, I feel like I've been run over by a car. I'm just miserable with fatigue, aches, etc. Are others experiencing the same pattern? Thank you.

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Just yesterday, after two happy days (daughter's graduation followed by a nice meal out and next day a nice luncheon for future daughter-in-law both with a little alcohol and some sugar via bites of dessert…both firsts since dx), i came home and was greeted by some stressful work news and then I felt significant pain in upper arms, esp right. Could it have been due to deep knee bends I showed I could do earlier with out-stretched arms? Makes no sense but then none of it does. Good news? The pain is gone this am. Weird.

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@richardab

A question for others with PMR. I often wake up with no or little amounts of fatigue and body aches and am able to do numerous things around the house. By the afternoon, however, sometime after finishing, I feel like I've been run over by a car. I'm just miserable with fatigue, aches, etc. Are others experiencing the same pattern? Thank you.

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Hi there- I don’t have PMR (I am a caregiver for my father who has PMR), but I have a different inflammatory arthritis, and that cycle happens to both of us. I think fatigue is part of most chronic pain conditions, even when we’re feeling well. Our PTs and care team recommend pacing, so basically trying not to overdo it when we feel good—of course way more easier said than done! The idea is to do what you can when you feel good, but try to leave some energy in the tank so that it doesn’t take so long to recover. The concept of “pacing” always went in one ear and out the other for me, until an OT used a green/yellow/red light analogy. She suggested to try to sandwich physically or cognitively demanding tasks (yellow or red light) with more restorative activities (green light). Our bodies are doing a lot of work for us that can’t be seen fighting off the inflammation and building up endurance, and once I started attempting to look at it that way, I suppose I can see why I get so tired so quickly… This isn’t to say that it isn’t insanely frustrating though! Good luck to you; you’re not alone.

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@lanieg

I'm fairly new to this group but have seen a lot of good info. I'm down to 10 mg/ day of prednisone from 20 mg. Diagnosed in Nov. 2022. Have tried going to 7.5 mg but pain came back with a vengeance. Has anyone had success with CBD, THC, or combination of both? I am type 1 diabetic and prednisone is really screwing up my blood glucose.

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Hi there- That’s rough managing both conditions. I don’t believe there’s much (if any) research to show cannabis or CBD would address the root cause of the PMR, but it could help with pain while you continue to try to taper. I’ve had some success with CBD topical cream (I’m sensitive to medication, so too nervous to try oral CBD or anything more), but everyone is different. It’s always been as an adjunct to medication, not a replacement though.

We’ve had some concerns with my A1C going up, and my dietician has suggested some other strategies such as increasing my intake of green tea, building up my strength training (muscle mass helps lower blood sugar), and gently adjusting when I have starchy foods. I’m not a diabetic though, and at risk of developing disordered eating, so that’s why her recommendations are more of the “gentle nutrition” variety, but thought I’d mention it in case any of this might help.

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@emo

Hi there- That’s rough managing both conditions. I don’t believe there’s much (if any) research to show cannabis or CBD would address the root cause of the PMR, but it could help with pain while you continue to try to taper. I’ve had some success with CBD topical cream (I’m sensitive to medication, so too nervous to try oral CBD or anything more), but everyone is different. It’s always been as an adjunct to medication, not a replacement though.

We’ve had some concerns with my A1C going up, and my dietician has suggested some other strategies such as increasing my intake of green tea, building up my strength training (muscle mass helps lower blood sugar), and gently adjusting when I have starchy foods. I’m not a diabetic though, and at risk of developing disordered eating, so that’s why her recommendations are more of the “gentle nutrition” variety, but thought I’d mention it in case any of this might help.

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Thank you for your input. I'm not looking for a cure for PMR but rather some pain relief as I taper. Exercise is out right now as I just fell and have a concussion. I will talk to a dietician about food adjustments. All this is overwhelming. Thanks for your support.

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@lanieg

Thank you for your input. I'm not looking for a cure for PMR but rather some pain relief as I taper. Exercise is out right now as I just fell and have a concussion. I will talk to a dietician about food adjustments. All this is overwhelming. Thanks for your support.

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You’re welcome, and good luck to you. Sounds like you’ve got your hands full recovering from the concussion too. I hear you about looking for other options for pain relief. Other than CBD cream and gentle movement (even stretches, range of motion exercises from bed or bed yoga), we (my dad has PMR, and I’m his caregiver, but also have a different inflammatory arthritis) found topical peppermint essential oil (the smell is more pleasant to me than to me than Salonpas or Icy Hot) to help. I tried Voltaten gel, but didn’t notice much relief. Neither of us tolerates medication well (hence the topicals). I have a different type of arthritis that causes inflammation in the tendons within the joints, and I got a lot of relief out of k-tape. With his PMR, my dad has more muscle pain than joint pain, so I’m not sure if it would it would help as helpful, but I just remembered I get a lot of relief out of k-tape for something so simple.

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@emo

Hi there- I don’t have PMR (I am a caregiver for my father who has PMR), but I have a different inflammatory arthritis, and that cycle happens to both of us. I think fatigue is part of most chronic pain conditions, even when we’re feeling well. Our PTs and care team recommend pacing, so basically trying not to overdo it when we feel good—of course way more easier said than done! The idea is to do what you can when you feel good, but try to leave some energy in the tank so that it doesn’t take so long to recover. The concept of “pacing” always went in one ear and out the other for me, until an OT used a green/yellow/red light analogy. She suggested to try to sandwich physically or cognitively demanding tasks (yellow or red light) with more restorative activities (green light). Our bodies are doing a lot of work for us that can’t be seen fighting off the inflammation and building up endurance, and once I started attempting to look at it that way, I suppose I can see why I get so tired so quickly… This isn’t to say that it isn’t insanely frustrating though! Good luck to you; you’re not alone.

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Great answer and way of coping, thank you.

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@richardab

A question for others with PMR. I often wake up with no or little amounts of fatigue and body aches and am able to do numerous things around the house. By the afternoon, however, sometime after finishing, I feel like I've been run over by a car. I'm just miserable with fatigue, aches, etc. Are others experiencing the same pattern? Thank you.

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@richardab Can you remind of us of your time course ? Origianlly ,i assume, you had PAIN and Stiffness in the morning ? You questions made me think of these paragraphs from this very recent paper : - for me - I would say I am no longer miserable ! ( After increasing from 15 , to 20 to 30mg in May and now tapering from 30 mg to 25mg over 15 days)
(2023 – C Dejaco first author: Treat-to-target recommendations in giant cell arteritis and polymyalgia rheumatica) the numbers are footnotes.
IN OVERARCHING PRINCIPLES section : Management of GCA and PMR should be based on shared decision making between the informed patient and the physician.
The vast majority of patients with GCA and PMR accept initial treatment given the sudden onset of symptoms and their significant impact on quality of life and daily activities. Once remission is achieved, ‘coming off glucocorticoids’ and ‘living with glucocorticoids’ become important aspects of the ongoing care for patients.55 The maintenance of the target must, therefore, be discussed in light of emerging adverse consequences of treatment, particularly in the long term. Similarly, the possible advantages and disadvantages of different drugs and routes of administration need to be discussed with patients on an individual basis.
Patient awareness should also be directed to understand the distinctions between disease-related and disease-unrelated symptoms. For example, shoulder pain in PMR might be due to a relapse or unrelated to PMR, such as osteoarthritis, adhesive capsulitis or rotator cuff disease. Fatigue can be either a symptom of GCA and PMR, caused by other conditions or due to treatment.48

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@nyxygirl

@richardab Can you remind of us of your time course ? Origianlly ,i assume, you had PAIN and Stiffness in the morning ? You questions made me think of these paragraphs from this very recent paper : - for me - I would say I am no longer miserable ! ( After increasing from 15 , to 20 to 30mg in May and now tapering from 30 mg to 25mg over 15 days)
(2023 – C Dejaco first author: Treat-to-target recommendations in giant cell arteritis and polymyalgia rheumatica) the numbers are footnotes.
IN OVERARCHING PRINCIPLES section : Management of GCA and PMR should be based on shared decision making between the informed patient and the physician.
The vast majority of patients with GCA and PMR accept initial treatment given the sudden onset of symptoms and their significant impact on quality of life and daily activities. Once remission is achieved, ‘coming off glucocorticoids’ and ‘living with glucocorticoids’ become important aspects of the ongoing care for patients.55 The maintenance of the target must, therefore, be discussed in light of emerging adverse consequences of treatment, particularly in the long term. Similarly, the possible advantages and disadvantages of different drugs and routes of administration need to be discussed with patients on an individual basis.
Patient awareness should also be directed to understand the distinctions between disease-related and disease-unrelated symptoms. For example, shoulder pain in PMR might be due to a relapse or unrelated to PMR, such as osteoarthritis, adhesive capsulitis or rotator cuff disease. Fatigue can be either a symptom of GCA and PMR, caused by other conditions or due to treatment.48

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Here is the link:

https://ard.bmj.com/content/early/2023/02/23/ard-2022-223429

"Once remission is achieved, ‘coming off glucocorticoids’ and ‘living with glucocorticoids’ become important aspects of the ongoing care for patients."

The trouble with this statement is nobody can decide when remission happens. Long term prednisone perpetuates the symptoms of PMR because of withdrawal symptoms and adrenal insufficiency symptoms. Indeed these symptoms, if you can distinguish them from PMR symptoms, makes you want to take more prednisone. However, the correct answer is to take less prednisone ... not more! Except if an adrenal crisis is looming then you better take more.

Granted ... taking less prednisone is easier to say than actually doing so. Unless there is an alternative medication that doesn't cause symptoms of withdrawal and adrenal insufficiency.

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@emo

You’re welcome, and good luck to you. Sounds like you’ve got your hands full recovering from the concussion too. I hear you about looking for other options for pain relief. Other than CBD cream and gentle movement (even stretches, range of motion exercises from bed or bed yoga), we (my dad has PMR, and I’m his caregiver, but also have a different inflammatory arthritis) found topical peppermint essential oil (the smell is more pleasant to me than to me than Salonpas or Icy Hot) to help. I tried Voltaten gel, but didn’t notice much relief. Neither of us tolerates medication well (hence the topicals). I have a different type of arthritis that causes inflammation in the tendons within the joints, and I got a lot of relief out of k-tape. With his PMR, my dad has more muscle pain than joint pain, so I’m not sure if it would it would help as helpful, but I just remembered I get a lot of relief out of k-tape for something so simple.

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What type of inflammatory arthritis do you have? Sorry if I have asked you this question already.

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@nyxygirl

@richardab Can you remind of us of your time course ? Origianlly ,i assume, you had PAIN and Stiffness in the morning ? You questions made me think of these paragraphs from this very recent paper : - for me - I would say I am no longer miserable ! ( After increasing from 15 , to 20 to 30mg in May and now tapering from 30 mg to 25mg over 15 days)
(2023 – C Dejaco first author: Treat-to-target recommendations in giant cell arteritis and polymyalgia rheumatica) the numbers are footnotes.
IN OVERARCHING PRINCIPLES section : Management of GCA and PMR should be based on shared decision making between the informed patient and the physician.
The vast majority of patients with GCA and PMR accept initial treatment given the sudden onset of symptoms and their significant impact on quality of life and daily activities. Once remission is achieved, ‘coming off glucocorticoids’ and ‘living with glucocorticoids’ become important aspects of the ongoing care for patients.55 The maintenance of the target must, therefore, be discussed in light of emerging adverse consequences of treatment, particularly in the long term. Similarly, the possible advantages and disadvantages of different drugs and routes of administration need to be discussed with patients on an individual basis.
Patient awareness should also be directed to understand the distinctions between disease-related and disease-unrelated symptoms. For example, shoulder pain in PMR might be due to a relapse or unrelated to PMR, such as osteoarthritis, adhesive capsulitis or rotator cuff disease. Fatigue can be either a symptom of GCA and PMR, caused by other conditions or due to treatment.48

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The course of my PMR was initial upper body aches and increasing stiffness below the waist to the point it was difficult to walk. Saw my primary care doc, basic rheumatology tests with positive results, 15 mg Prednisone with amazing improvement. Began seeing a rheumatologist, increased Presnisone to 30 mg as 15 wasn't completely alleviating symptoms. Once stabilized, tried on Plaquenil so I could reduce Prednisone but horrible allergic reaction and skin rash to it. Slowly went down to 15 mg Prednisone with aome increase in aches (fatigue was always there). Put on Methotrexate (10 mg weekly, now 15) so Prednisone could be slowly reduced. Now on 10 mg with aches and fatigue I descibed in my question. I also have Smoldering Myeloma.

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