Pacemaker recipients: Looking for support from others

Posted by balubeje @balubeje, May 25, 2016

I am coming on a year post op having a pacemaker placement for bradycardia. I would be interested in a support group with the same concerns. I think a support network would be so beneficial.

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@kb49 When I was a kid, the rule was "Always trust your doctor.". As an adult, my personal experiences have given me MANY reasons not to.

More to the point of this discussion, I had a pacemaker implanted just a few weeks ago, quite possibly because the cardiologist I was going to dismissed the results of a stress test showing a Stage 1 heart block as a "test error" and prescribed a targeted beta-1 blocker, known to cause heart blocks, for my high blood pressure. Six months later, I was in the ER with a Stage 3 heart block.

Po-Op, I monitored my BP closely and found that it was every low. I called multiple doctors, including my PCP, the cardiologist, and the surgeon. The only one who even answered was a nurse from the surgeon's office, who told me to cut back on the BP meds until my BP was up to normal. I ended up cutting them back to ZERO, and still my BP was too low, EVEN AFTER MILD STRESS. That result was a major clue to what followed, but again I called everyone and again no one thought it important. Within a couple days I was back at the ER with an acute pulmonary embolism - blood clots in my lungs from the surgery - and gasping for air.

I am now recovering from the emergency surgery to remove the blood clots. Suffice to say that I am changing doctors AGAIN. In fact, I am changing from anyone associate with the particular hospital/medical provider.

I don't know what it takes to find one who actually pays attention to the patient these days. It seems to me that unless the grim reaper has already got a foot in the door, they all pass you off to a trainee in their billing department.

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@jimgrupe

I am very sad to hear about your experiences with the medical care system where you live. I hope for your success in finding an alternative.

This makes me feel incredibly lucky that my 90-minute ambulance ride from the closest rural hospital where I live ended up taking me to St. Vincent's Hospital in Portland, OR. Every single doc, PA, and nurse with whom I've interacted is excellent.

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@jimgrupe I am sorry to read about all of the frustration you have experienced for your heart and pacemaker care. Yes, you deserve to be heard and receive the very best care, and we each need to be our own vocal advocates. I do not know where you live but recommend seeking out a Center of Excellence (COE) for heart care. If one is not nearby, many people in the Connect discussions travel for care. Also, teaching hospitals and doctors with privileges at these places (medical school training grounds) very often are top facilities with excellent caregivers as I have discovered here in Upstate NY. I just did a search; in my browser I typed in "heart block experts capital region ny" and my electrophysiologist is listed among them. Wishing you success in finding a doctor you are comfortable with. Let us know how your journey is proceeding.

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@walkinggirl Alas I am in Florida, where standards are quite a bit lower. My "trick" for trying to find better doctors is to find someone who was educated in the NY area. 🙂 I was seeing doctors at a training hospital in Orlando rated #1 by US News, where trainees assigned to collecting blood samples couldn't find a vein. I am changing to the other top-ranked facility in the area. Both are COE.

The facility I was going to is quite large - referred to by them as a "campus". I think a large part of the problem is the size. I almost never saw the same doctor twice while in the hospital.

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Profile picture for jimgrupe @jimgrupe

@kb49 When I was a kid, the rule was "Always trust your doctor.". As an adult, my personal experiences have given me MANY reasons not to.

More to the point of this discussion, I had a pacemaker implanted just a few weeks ago, quite possibly because the cardiologist I was going to dismissed the results of a stress test showing a Stage 1 heart block as a "test error" and prescribed a targeted beta-1 blocker, known to cause heart blocks, for my high blood pressure. Six months later, I was in the ER with a Stage 3 heart block.

Po-Op, I monitored my BP closely and found that it was every low. I called multiple doctors, including my PCP, the cardiologist, and the surgeon. The only one who even answered was a nurse from the surgeon's office, who told me to cut back on the BP meds until my BP was up to normal. I ended up cutting them back to ZERO, and still my BP was too low, EVEN AFTER MILD STRESS. That result was a major clue to what followed, but again I called everyone and again no one thought it important. Within a couple days I was back at the ER with an acute pulmonary embolism - blood clots in my lungs from the surgery - and gasping for air.

I am now recovering from the emergency surgery to remove the blood clots. Suffice to say that I am changing doctors AGAIN. In fact, I am changing from anyone associate with the particular hospital/medical provider.

I don't know what it takes to find one who actually pays attention to the patient these days. It seems to me that unless the grim reaper has already got a foot in the door, they all pass you off to a trainee in their billing department.

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@jimgrupe I am sorry to read about all of the frustration you have experienced for your heart and pacemaker care. Yes, you deserve to be heard and receive the very best care, and we each need to be our own vocal advocates. I do not know where you live but recommend seeking out a Center of Excellence (COE) for heart care. If one is not nearby, many people in the Connect discussions travel for care. Also, teaching hospitals and doctors with privileges at these places (medical school training grounds) very often are top facilities with excellent caregivers as I have discovered here in Upstate NY. I just did a search; in my browser I typed in "heart block experts capital region ny" and my electrophysiologist is listed among them. Wishing you success in finding a doctor you are comfortable with. Let us know how your journey is proceeding.

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I’ve been trying to think how to post this, but I think it’s important particularly for new members to know I’ve had my pacemaker a year and a half and in that time I’ve been fighting an issue of having trouble breathing every time I move my arms I’ve asked on this site as well as every doctor’s appointments. What could be causing this issue? I’ve had multiple test, including an echo a stress test a heart Cath nothing could be found to cause this issue. My primary care doctor sent me to a pulmonologist. They couldn’t find anything there all this time. My doctor kept having the physicians assistant give me the results of the test saying there was nothing they could do. I finally got a little upset with the physicians assistant and demanded to see a doctor because the physicians assistant told me at my age I probably just have to learn to live with it. I was 75 when I had the pacemaker on planet and now I’m 77 I was not ready to accept that when I finally got to see the doctor. The doctor said they done everything and couldn’t figure anything out, but they would call in people from Medtronic the makers of my pacemaker and see if they had any advice two technicians. Medtronic came to see me in about 15 minutes. They had figured out that it was simply the settings on my Pacemaker. They set the pacemaker correctly and now I have no problems at all to think that I spent a year and a half having trouble breathing and not being able to do the things I wanted to do it’s ridiculous so I’m telling people that are getting a pacemaker today. You have to keep fighting but eventually they’ll get it right and people that are stuck seeing physicians assistance. You have to keep fighting to see a doctor cause eventually, the doctor agreed that he didn’t have the answers and was able to push me to the technicians from Medtronic who worked on the pacemaker to get the settings, right I’m sure there are some good positions Assistance out there unfortunately I didn’t have the right one.

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@kb49 When I was a kid, the rule was "Always trust your doctor.". As an adult, my personal experiences have given me MANY reasons not to.

More to the point of this discussion, I had a pacemaker implanted just a few weeks ago, quite possibly because the cardiologist I was going to dismissed the results of a stress test showing a Stage 1 heart block as a "test error" and prescribed a targeted beta-1 blocker, known to cause heart blocks, for my high blood pressure. Six months later, I was in the ER with a Stage 3 heart block.

Po-Op, I monitored my BP closely and found that it was every low. I called multiple doctors, including my PCP, the cardiologist, and the surgeon. The only one who even answered was a nurse from the surgeon's office, who told me to cut back on the BP meds until my BP was up to normal. I ended up cutting them back to ZERO, and still my BP was too low, EVEN AFTER MILD STRESS. That result was a major clue to what followed, but again I called everyone and again no one thought it important. Within a couple days I was back at the ER with an acute pulmonary embolism - blood clots in my lungs from the surgery - and gasping for air.

I am now recovering from the emergency surgery to remove the blood clots. Suffice to say that I am changing doctors AGAIN. In fact, I am changing from anyone associate with the particular hospital/medical provider.

I don't know what it takes to find one who actually pays attention to the patient these days. It seems to me that unless the grim reaper has already got a foot in the door, they all pass you off to a trainee in their billing department.

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@kb49 I had a similar issue. The EP who implanted the PM in 2020 refused a follow up appointment. Four years later another EP was able to work with me to change the settings so I had better breathing ability and stamina. This device is complicated. One setting doesn’t fit everyone.

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I personally am uncomfortable with the use of NP and PA for these complicated implants. I know some are very capable but not
Comfortable with them for
This. It seems like they are used for screening but then you need to go back again to see EP.

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I’ve been trying to think how to post this, but I think it’s important particularly for new members to know I’ve had my pacemaker a year and a half and in that time I’ve been fighting an issue of having trouble breathing every time I move my arms I’ve asked on this site as well as every doctor’s appointments. What could be causing this issue? I’ve had multiple test, including an echo a stress test a heart Cath nothing could be found to cause this issue. My primary care doctor sent me to a pulmonologist. They couldn’t find anything there all this time. My doctor kept having the physicians assistant give me the results of the test saying there was nothing they could do. I finally got a little upset with the physicians assistant and demanded to see a doctor because the physicians assistant told me at my age I probably just have to learn to live with it. I was 75 when I had the pacemaker on planet and now I’m 77 I was not ready to accept that when I finally got to see the doctor. The doctor said they done everything and couldn’t figure anything out, but they would call in people from Medtronic the makers of my pacemaker and see if they had any advice two technicians. Medtronic came to see me in about 15 minutes. They had figured out that it was simply the settings on my Pacemaker. They set the pacemaker correctly and now I have no problems at all to think that I spent a year and a half having trouble breathing and not being able to do the things I wanted to do it’s ridiculous so I’m telling people that are getting a pacemaker today. You have to keep fighting but eventually they’ll get it right and people that are stuck seeing physicians assistance. You have to keep fighting to see a doctor cause eventually, the doctor agreed that he didn’t have the answers and was able to push me to the technicians from Medtronic who worked on the pacemaker to get the settings, right I’m sure there are some good positions Assistance out there unfortunately I didn’t have the right one.

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@kb49 I am so glad the breathing issue when moving your arms resolved! You make an excellent point in your discussion: "You have to keep fighting but eventually they’ll get it right...." If we are unhappy with some aspect of their treatment, we need to be our own advocate. Thank you for sharing your experience.

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I'm new to this site. I've been having mini blackouts and found out it's caused by very slow heart rate that you get when you have Afib. I had a 4 sec pause. It caused spatial disorientation. I'm hoping the electrophysiology dr will consider putting in a Pacemaker, but since it's all new to me I'll have to research the latest best safest kind.

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@amalfi1279 I had a similar experience. My resting heart rate was 40, and it dropped to 35 during sleep. I had afib, diagnosed in 2020. My cardiologist wanted to put me on a beta blockers and calcium channel blocker, but couldn't because of the very slow heart rate. On Aug 31, 2022, we did a Medtronic pacemaker, and set it at 60. It didn't stop the afib, but they could put me on stronger meds to manage the afib better. Every time I saw my cardiologist, he asked if I was ready for an ablation. By April of 2025, I was ready. I was tired of daily afib for 12-96 hours. I always converted naturally, but it was so tiresome and tiring! So I said yes to a PFA a Pulsed Field Ablation, and met with an electrophysiology in Jacksonville, FL. He had been doing PFA for five years, even though it had only been approved for 3. He was part of the testing prior to FDA approval. My last afib was May 6, 2025. My ablation was May 7, 2025. Dropped the calcium channel blocker and cut the beta blockers in half. I no longer avoid making plans because I don't know if I'll be in full-blown afib. So wonderful to have my life back. The reason indudnt have ablation sooner was because I was waiting for something better than the heat or cold version. PFA is the way to go. Get the pacemaker. Or get an ablation if offered. I still technically have afib, I just haven't had an episode in 14 months. Syncopy (blackouts) is not the way to go. Good luck.

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I’ve been trying to think how to post this, but I think it’s important particularly for new members to know I’ve had my pacemaker a year and a half and in that time I’ve been fighting an issue of having trouble breathing every time I move my arms I’ve asked on this site as well as every doctor’s appointments. What could be causing this issue? I’ve had multiple test, including an echo a stress test a heart Cath nothing could be found to cause this issue. My primary care doctor sent me to a pulmonologist. They couldn’t find anything there all this time. My doctor kept having the physicians assistant give me the results of the test saying there was nothing they could do. I finally got a little upset with the physicians assistant and demanded to see a doctor because the physicians assistant told me at my age I probably just have to learn to live with it. I was 75 when I had the pacemaker on planet and now I’m 77 I was not ready to accept that when I finally got to see the doctor. The doctor said they done everything and couldn’t figure anything out, but they would call in people from Medtronic the makers of my pacemaker and see if they had any advice two technicians. Medtronic came to see me in about 15 minutes. They had figured out that it was simply the settings on my Pacemaker. They set the pacemaker correctly and now I have no problems at all to think that I spent a year and a half having trouble breathing and not being able to do the things I wanted to do it’s ridiculous so I’m telling people that are getting a pacemaker today. You have to keep fighting but eventually they’ll get it right and people that are stuck seeing physicians assistance. You have to keep fighting to see a doctor cause eventually, the doctor agreed that he didn’t have the answers and was able to push me to the technicians from Medtronic who worked on the pacemaker to get the settings, right I’m sure there are some good positions Assistance out there unfortunately I didn’t have the right one.

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@kb49 I had a similar issue. The EP who implanted the PM in 2020 refused a follow up appointment. Four years later another EP was able to work with me to change the settings so I had better breathing ability and stamina. This device is complicated. One setting doesn’t fit everyone.

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@jc76 The newest pacemaker devices are small enough to go directly into the heart. There is nothing under the skin. They are implanted via a catheter through a vein. One feels nothing.

Because there is no device under the skin, there is also no restriction on movement, save the first week when the opening in the vein needs to heal.

I just got mine implanted June 16, 2026. Check out https://www.medtronic.com/en-us/healthcare-professionals/products/cardiac-rhythm/pacing-systems/pacemakers/micra-av2-leadless-pacemaker.html

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@jimgrupe
I just with this had been around 20 years ago. I am on my 3rd device and another coming up in one year. I have 4 wires that are on my heart. They are screw in and one static.

I think I remember taking them out is not an option as they become seated. I found this out on one that needed replacing and it was left in place.

For all those in the process of getting a pacemaker should explore this new version. I am not sure if ICDs can be done this way and mine is a dual device both ICD and Pacemaker.

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