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New confused diabetic

Posted by @vanin11, Nov 15, 2017

Hi, I am able to control my numbers with diet and exercise, what I am having difficulty with is my fasting numbers at 5 a.m. it’s 6.6 and goes up a point every 45 mins ,thereafter. I am on metformin 2X a day 500 mg and app gliclazide 30 mg 1X a day, only been a week but still high numbers in A.M. Could this be early dawn or Simogyis and is the treatment different.Cant seem to get the G.P. or specialist to acknowledge it’s only a problem in the A.M.Any similar experiences or advice?

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@vanin11 Hi, and welcome to the club. For most of us on this whole system there are two major problems which are tough to deal with. First, our bodies are breaking down in some way which we do not understand, and , two, our doctors are not willing to put their own egos aside long enough to both understand our problems and to tell us what we can do. And until we understand fully, which relies on the doctors who refuse to admit they are stumped, we get sicker and sicker and spend more of our money on wasted search and treatment. Good luck. I have some of the same stuff as you, and you know the rest of the story.

Thanks, it’s frustrating, I thought this forum might provide some guidance from a diabetic practitioner who has experience and advice.Is there anyone out there?

Hello, @vanin11. Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. Thanks for sharing your concerns about your fasting numbers and a bit about yourself. I can certainly hear the frustration and concern in your post. We have wonderful members on Connect who share their experiences and empathize with one another.

Unfortunately, we cannot diagnose or offer medical advice on Mayo Clinic Connect, as this is a peer support online community. We are happy to introduce you to some other members who understand what you are going through, like: @dhernandz, @mrlee43, @gailb,@kamuela, @riveroaksfarm, @hopeful33250, @bonniewhite56, @contentandwell, @maurtura @dougmann, @archer8119, @johnbishop and @retiredteacher. Would you all have any thoughts for @vanin11 about the concern with seeing high fasting numbers in the morning?

We also can offer you the opportunity to get an opinion at Mayo Clinic, if that is of interest to you at this time.

Can you tell us a little about your diet and exercise routine that you’ve found helpful in controlling your numbers?

Hello @vanin11, I also would like to welcome you to Connect. I’m not diabetic but have had high fasting glucose numbers so that my primary care docs tell me I’m pre-diabetic. My response is usually that nothing has changed in 20 years…I don’t have diabetes. In recent years I’ve changed my diet and worked on eliminating most of my sugar intake but I have my days. When I saw your question I went to my favorite research tool Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com) and did a search for “high fasting glucose numbers in the morning” and was surprised when I selected show me the newest links by selecting 2017 at the left – the first link was

Acute Effects of Morning Light on Plasma Glucose and Triglycerides in Healthy Men and Men with Type 2 Diabetes
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0748730417693480

The rest of the links listed for the search can be viewed here:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C24&as_ylo=2017&q=high+fasting+glucose+numbers+in+the+morning&btnG=

Hoping you find your answer!
John

@lisalucier

Hello, @vanin11. Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. Thanks for sharing your concerns about your fasting numbers and a bit about yourself. I can certainly hear the frustration and concern in your post. We have wonderful members on Connect who share their experiences and empathize with one another.

Unfortunately, we cannot diagnose or offer medical advice on Mayo Clinic Connect, as this is a peer support online community. We are happy to introduce you to some other members who understand what you are going through, like: @dhernandz, @mrlee43, @gailb,@kamuela, @riveroaksfarm, @hopeful33250, @bonniewhite56, @contentandwell, @maurtura @dougmann, @archer8119, @johnbishop and @retiredteacher. Would you all have any thoughts for @vanin11 about the concern with seeing high fasting numbers in the morning?

We also can offer you the opportunity to get an opinion at Mayo Clinic, if that is of interest to you at this time.

Can you tell us a little about your diet and exercise routine that you’ve found helpful in controlling your numbers?

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Just cutting back on portions, better food choices, moderation.
Does a mayo opinion cost?
Thanks so much for the reply,

Thanks, I will check these out, I appreciate u taking the time and replying, at least I know that there are others and I’m not crazy.Thanks again,
Wayne

@vanin11

Thanks, I will check these out, I appreciate u taking the time and replying, at least I know that there are others and I’m not crazy.Thanks again,
Wayne

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Hi Wayne (@vanin11), you are definitely not crazy. It is a good thing you are doing being more proactive and advocating for yourself. The best way to do that is to learn everything you can about your health issues so that you can better communicate with your doctors and help them help you. Hoping some others that were tagged will be able to share their thoughts on high fasting numbers in the morning.

John

Hi@vanin11. Welcome to the dumbfounding world of Diabetes 2. I was diagnosed 19 months ago and have been researching and talking to people on other forums since then, particularly about high A.M numbers. My PCP knows nothing about diabetes except what the computer printout tells her, so she is no support. The endo I go to is getting ready to retire so I suspect he is not as interested in my questions, so I always say that I am my own doctor! I have had high fasting morning numbers since this all started. I have tried to find an answer, but if you stay with this group, you will find that we are all different—–what works for one does not work for someone else. But you will get some good suggestions and information on what to try.

My endo calls me a controlled diabetic: I take no meds; I maintain by mostly food choices and am not a person who exercises. I’ve asked my endo every visit why my numbers are high in the morning and he has no answer. I try to be diligent in eating protein and veggies at night, and I seem to do better with that combo. I do not use sugar or eat fruit often because my numbers would be too high; I do not tolerate fruit at all. I wish I had the definitive answer for this situation, but I am still in the experimental stages and consider myself “new.” If I ever find an answer for high morning numbers, I will shout it from the rooftop of this forum. Maybe as you experiment, you will stumble on something that works for you. I hope so and wish you luck.

retiredteacher

@lisalucier

Hello, @vanin11. Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. Thanks for sharing your concerns about your fasting numbers and a bit about yourself. I can certainly hear the frustration and concern in your post. We have wonderful members on Connect who share their experiences and empathize with one another.

Unfortunately, we cannot diagnose or offer medical advice on Mayo Clinic Connect, as this is a peer support online community. We are happy to introduce you to some other members who understand what you are going through, like: @dhernandz, @mrlee43, @gailb,@kamuela, @riveroaksfarm, @hopeful33250, @bonniewhite56, @contentandwell, @maurtura @dougmann, @archer8119, @johnbishop and @retiredteacher. Would you all have any thoughts for @vanin11 about the concern with seeing high fasting numbers in the morning?

We also can offer you the opportunity to get an opinion at Mayo Clinic, if that is of interest to you at this time.

Can you tell us a little about your diet and exercise routine that you’ve found helpful in controlling your numbers?

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Hi, @vanin11. Yes, this would involve making an appointment with a physician on one of Mayo Clinic’s campuses in MN, AZ or FL. If you would like to do so at some point, you can make a request here: http://mayocl.in/1mtmR63

@lisalucier

Hello, @vanin11. Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. Thanks for sharing your concerns about your fasting numbers and a bit about yourself. I can certainly hear the frustration and concern in your post. We have wonderful members on Connect who share their experiences and empathize with one another.

Unfortunately, we cannot diagnose or offer medical advice on Mayo Clinic Connect, as this is a peer support online community. We are happy to introduce you to some other members who understand what you are going through, like: @dhernandz, @mrlee43, @gailb,@kamuela, @riveroaksfarm, @hopeful33250, @bonniewhite56, @contentandwell, @maurtura @dougmann, @archer8119, @johnbishop and @retiredteacher. Would you all have any thoughts for @vanin11 about the concern with seeing high fasting numbers in the morning?

We also can offer you the opportunity to get an opinion at Mayo Clinic, if that is of interest to you at this time.

Can you tell us a little about your diet and exercise routine that you’ve found helpful in controlling your numbers?

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Any idea on cost

@johnbishop

Hello @vanin11, I also would like to welcome you to Connect. I’m not diabetic but have had high fasting glucose numbers so that my primary care docs tell me I’m pre-diabetic. My response is usually that nothing has changed in 20 years…I don’t have diabetes. In recent years I’ve changed my diet and worked on eliminating most of my sugar intake but I have my days. When I saw your question I went to my favorite research tool Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com) and did a search for “high fasting glucose numbers in the morning” and was surprised when I selected show me the newest links by selecting 2017 at the left – the first link was

Acute Effects of Morning Light on Plasma Glucose and Triglycerides in Healthy Men and Men with Type 2 Diabetes
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0748730417693480

The rest of the links listed for the search can be viewed here:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C24&as_ylo=2017&q=high+fasting+glucose+numbers+in+the+morning&btnG=

Hoping you find your answer!
John

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None of these make sense to me.

Hello @vanin11 , Welcome to the Mayo Clinic Connect.

I am diabetic, I take 1000mg Metformin 2 times and 3mg Glimiperide (2mg in the morning and 1mg before bed). I agree with everyone else, It is a battle. I’m not a doctor but from my experience your morning numbers would make me happy and I have controlled diabetes. You say your blood glucose goes up 1 point every 45 minutes which would tell me that your liver is thinking you are ready for an active day and it is pumping out Glycogen. Mine starts about 4:00 am. May I ask how high it gets before you eat a mid day meal? Do you have any low glucose readings and what time of the day?

Wishing you well,
Von @vdouglas

I don’t let it get above 8.5, then I have breakfast to try and reset the numbers.
I was just out shovelling snow and it went low,like 4, I get weak and need to invest something sweet.
I want to share something I learned in the last day or so.
I was watching a British tv show on Drs and health.
Most of us like pasta but are reluctant to enjoy it because of how it rings up the Blood Sugar.If u cook the pasta and eat it cold, the blood sugar is reduced significantly but if you let it cool and then re heat it with what ever your preparing it with it further keeps the numbers down, something like 30 %..So apparently how this works is that preparing it this way moved it tru to the large bowel where it passes tru like fibre.
I tried it tonight ,cause my wife wanted spaghetti and meatballs, so I had a nice portion with meatballs and basil pesto and a sweet dessert, and 2.25 hrs., my blood sugar was 8.2
So here’s a good way for people who enjoy pasta to eat without numbers going sky high.

@vdouglas

Hello @vanin11 , Welcome to the Mayo Clinic Connect.

I am diabetic, I take 1000mg Metformin 2 times and 3mg Glimiperide (2mg in the morning and 1mg before bed). I agree with everyone else, It is a battle. I’m not a doctor but from my experience your morning numbers would make me happy and I have controlled diabetes. You say your blood glucose goes up 1 point every 45 minutes which would tell me that your liver is thinking you are ready for an active day and it is pumping out Glycogen. Mine starts about 4:00 am. May I ask how high it gets before you eat a mid day meal? Do you have any low glucose readings and what time of the day?

Wishing you well,
Von @vdouglas

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Forgot your 1 question, after bfast it resets and my numbers are 6 to 7 depending on what and how much I eat
So b4 lunch it’s anywhere between 5.5 and 6.5.

@vanin11

I don’t let it get above 8.5, then I have breakfast to try and reset the numbers.
I was just out shovelling snow and it went low,like 4, I get weak and need to invest something sweet.
I want to share something I learned in the last day or so.
I was watching a British tv show on Drs and health.
Most of us like pasta but are reluctant to enjoy it because of how it rings up the Blood Sugar.If u cook the pasta and eat it cold, the blood sugar is reduced significantly but if you let it cool and then re heat it with what ever your preparing it with it further keeps the numbers down, something like 30 %..So apparently how this works is that preparing it this way moved it tru to the large bowel where it passes tru like fibre.
I tried it tonight ,cause my wife wanted spaghetti and meatballs, so I had a nice portion with meatballs and basil pesto and a sweet dessert, and 2.25 hrs., my blood sugar was 8.2
So here’s a good way for people who enjoy pasta to eat without numbers going sky high.

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Yes, love pasta. I’m going to have to try that trick.
I never go anywhere without carrying glucose tablets. Like you shoveling snow, I have had low glucose while working in the yard and was almost not able to open the package of sugar tablets. The tablets are inexpensive and can save your life.
@vdouglas

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