Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain

Posted by John, Volunteer Mentor @johnbishop, Sep 10, 2020

When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.

Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.

I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.

You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.

Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.

Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?

Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.

Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?

Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?

Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?

Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.

Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.

John

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Neuropathy Support Group.

I’m so happy to have found this group. I recently had cervical spine surgery and was told that my hand numbness and tingling would perhaps go away. I also have numbness in my feet. I’ve been to a neurologist but have yet to be officially diagnosed but the more I read the surer I am of my suspicions. I also read that there are treatments that can help if done as soon as possible. I do not have diabetes but have had lower back pain and cortisone injections for years. I know I should probably not jump to conclusions but would like to be proactive in my solutions. Any recommendations would be much appreciated. Thank you for being here; I feel better just knowing that I’m not alone. Yours, Kathy

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@kathylal

I’m so happy to have found this group. I recently had cervical spine surgery and was told that my hand numbness and tingling would perhaps go away. I also have numbness in my feet. I’ve been to a neurologist but have yet to be officially diagnosed but the more I read the surer I am of my suspicions. I also read that there are treatments that can help if done as soon as possible. I do not have diabetes but have had lower back pain and cortisone injections for years. I know I should probably not jump to conclusions but would like to be proactive in my solutions. Any recommendations would be much appreciated. Thank you for being here; I feel better just knowing that I’m not alone. Yours, Kathy

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Welcome Kathy @kathylal, I'm glad to see that you are learning as much as you can about your condition and being your own best advocate for your health. There are many different neuropathy discussions you might find helpful and they are easy to find using the Connect search function. Here are the discussions, comments and other posts found when clicking on the search link at the top of the Connect page and typing neuropathy what helps - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/search/?search=neuropathy+what+helps.

Since you have had spine surgery I thought you might be interested in this discussion started by @jenniferhunter on Myofacial Release Therapy (MFR) - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/.

I agree with you about not jumping to conclusions which is also something I tend to do sometimes. Did your neurologist do any tests to confirm neuropathy?

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Anyone know anything about this device? Anyone used it?? Just another gimmick??
Accelera SR 100

https://accelera.us/

Best to all!
Mike

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@domiha

Anyone know anything about this device? Anyone used it?? Just another gimmick??
Accelera SR 100

https://accelera.us/

Best to all!
Mike

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The research is interesting but at $500 out of pocket not very enticing 🙃unless of course you get one of those desperation feelings that grabs us once in awhile during our neuropathy journey.

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@johnbishop

The research is interesting but at $500 out of pocket not very enticing 🙃unless of course you get one of those desperation feelings that grabs us once in awhile during our neuropathy journey.

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Exactly my thinking, John..... but IF I had some assurance that the device could help with my proprioception, I would spend $1000 for two of them. But without further information from some agency I can trust, it seems it would be (at this point) an expensive gamble.
Thank you, also, for the links you shared regarding discussions on Walkasins. They are even more expensive, unfortunately. And I saw someone comment that they are not even sold in my home state of Georgia.
Best wishes!
Mike

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@johnbishop

Welcome Kathy @kathylal, I'm glad to see that you are learning as much as you can about your condition and being your own best advocate for your health. There are many different neuropathy discussions you might find helpful and they are easy to find using the Connect search function. Here are the discussions, comments and other posts found when clicking on the search link at the top of the Connect page and typing neuropathy what helps - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/search/?search=neuropathy+what+helps.

Since you have had spine surgery I thought you might be interested in this discussion started by @jenniferhunter on Myofacial Release Therapy (MFR) - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/.

I agree with you about not jumping to conclusions which is also something I tend to do sometimes. Did your neurologist do any tests to confirm neuropathy?

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I’ve done all the blood work, I have a Brain MRI on Tuesday and a nerve conduction test in mid March. All of my blood work is within a normal range.

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@domiha Mike, I'm with you on this. I approach things like this with a degree of caution and an open mind. I think it is important to do both but, you'll notice I listed the word caution first. I like to see the independent data prior to purchase. Ed

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@johnbishop

Welcome Kathy @kathylal, I'm glad to see that you are learning as much as you can about your condition and being your own best advocate for your health. There are many different neuropathy discussions you might find helpful and they are easy to find using the Connect search function. Here are the discussions, comments and other posts found when clicking on the search link at the top of the Connect page and typing neuropathy what helps - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/search/?search=neuropathy+what+helps.

Since you have had spine surgery I thought you might be interested in this discussion started by @jenniferhunter on Myofacial Release Therapy (MFR) - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/.

I agree with you about not jumping to conclusions which is also something I tend to do sometimes. Did your neurologist do any tests to confirm neuropathy?

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I’ve done blood work which all was normal. I’m to have MRI (brain) on Tuesday and a nerve conduction test in mid March. Any other tests I should be having?

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@kathylal

I’ve done blood work which all was normal. I’m to have MRI (brain) on Tuesday and a nerve conduction test in mid March. Any other tests I should be having?

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I was diagnosed with a nerve conduction test along with some blood tests and a physical exam for my idiopathic small fiber neuropathy but I think the skin punch biopsy is the gold standard test for nerve damage. I think it might be a good question to discuss with your doctor.

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@njed

@domiha Mike, I'm with you on this. I approach things like this with a degree of caution and an open mind. I think it is important to do both but, you'll notice I listed the word caution first. I like to see the independent data prior to purchase. Ed

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Ditto here, @njed, @domiha. I have a long-distance friend with diabetes-linked PN. He's also the most gullible person I know. Two or three times each month, he'll phone to tell me about yet some other "fantastic" device that––after only a week––has made a "huge" improvement in his symptoms. Buyer, beware! Were truer words ever spoken?

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