Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain

Posted by John, Volunteer Mentor @johnbishop, Sep 10, 2020

When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.

Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.

I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.

You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.

Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.

Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?

Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.

Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?

Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?

Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?

Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.

Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.

John

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Neuropathy Support Group.

@johnbishop

Hello @janeenelizabeth, Welcome to Connect. You are not alone being after hearing your doctors say that nothing can be done. I also have idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy with just numbness and some tingling but no pain. I shared my neuropathy journey in another discussion here - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/310341/. My story is similar to yours and is the reason I came to Connect looking for some answers when my doctors really didn't have any treatments or suggestions to help with the numbness.

I think you already have a great start just by coming to Connect and asking questions and looking for information that might help. The best thing we can do to be a better advocate for ourselves is to learn as much as we can about our condition and what treatments may be available to provide some relief. If you haven't already seen these sites, here are some of my favorites for learning more about neuropathy:
-- Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy: https://www.foundationforpn.org/
-- Neuropathy Commons: https://neuropathycommons.org/

And my favorite search engine for finding the latest medical research is Google Scholar - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C24&as_ylo=2025&q=neuropathy+numbness+treatment&btnG=

Have you done any research on complementary or alternative therapies for neuropathy?

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Thank you so much for all the information. I have not found anything alternative yet. I had been trying to find info on diet and anything that might help. The web searches are not very clear.

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@janeenelizabeth

Hello,
I was diagnosed with idiopathic sfn 2 years ago. I will be 50 in July. I also do not have pain, except an occasional cramp or quick sharp pain. I will also get muscle twitches. But the numbness has progressed. We have tried everything to find a cause so it can be stopped, but nothing is showing up. It has caused low blood pressure, low glucose and low body temperature. Its not constant but seems to flare up. I would be lying if I said I wasn't scared especially when they said there is nothing that can be done. I didn't expect the progression this year. I have had numbness in my feet calves, hands, arms, and face. It also come goes, except this year my right small toes are more constantly numb. And recently it feels like im stepping on something while walking. I really appreciate hearing this information. Im hoping to find out more. To have ideas of things that might help.

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I understand why the professionals don't seem to dig into possibilities for causes as there doesn't seem to be any specific treatment depending on cause. But, one possibility that might have a "fix" is lyme disease. If you know you've had any previous tick bites (even years ago!) you might want to ask your PCP for a test.

Also, those flare ups are lightly related to the weather! I feel like a walking barometer most of the time!

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@mamamarch

I understand why the professionals don't seem to dig into possibilities for causes as there doesn't seem to be any specific treatment depending on cause. But, one possibility that might have a "fix" is lyme disease. If you know you've had any previous tick bites (even years ago!) you might want to ask your PCP for a test.

Also, those flare ups are lightly related to the weather! I feel like a walking barometer most of the time!

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Hi I have numbness in my hands occasional sharp scalp pain, deep leg pain at night top calf area really hurts. Changing position sometimes helps.
I’m looking into a relatively new product called Nerve Bliss supposedly a clean nutrient base treatment that supposedly can cure all the symptoms of neuropathy, including pain.
It’s the numbness in my hands that are really causing the problem because I lose my grip drop things it’s getting hard to use kitchen utensils so like you I really want to find a way to function better without going on any strong medication. I have systemic lupus and Sjogren’s Syndrome as well as lovely ha ha other autoimmune problems so I take hydroxychloroquine and Metformin.
Pray find the answers you’re looking for and share them with all of us!

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@mamamarch

I understand why the professionals don't seem to dig into possibilities for causes as there doesn't seem to be any specific treatment depending on cause. But, one possibility that might have a "fix" is lyme disease. If you know you've had any previous tick bites (even years ago!) you might want to ask your PCP for a test.

Also, those flare ups are lightly related to the weather! I feel like a walking barometer most of the time!

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Yes, we have joked about the barometric pressure. I do react to the weather. I was checked for Lyme disease and that was negative. I did however have high antibodies of a past epstein barr infection. Most likely this is what i dealt with as a teenager when they thought I had lupus but never tested positive for it. I have been trying to do research on it to see if there is anything that can be done. I love the diet and supplement info that has been shared from the neuropathy foundation. When i first started having severe low blood pressure and glucose levels back in October of 2021 I ditched the caffeine and alcohol because they would cause reactions. Every once in a while i will try a decaf coffee or low caffeine item but it usually makes my nerves go haywire shaky and itchy. I also deal with the neuropathy itching.

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@wendyhope

Hi I have numbness in my hands occasional sharp scalp pain, deep leg pain at night top calf area really hurts. Changing position sometimes helps.
I’m looking into a relatively new product called Nerve Bliss supposedly a clean nutrient base treatment that supposedly can cure all the symptoms of neuropathy, including pain.
It’s the numbness in my hands that are really causing the problem because I lose my grip drop things it’s getting hard to use kitchen utensils so like you I really want to find a way to function better without going on any strong medication. I have systemic lupus and Sjogren’s Syndrome as well as lovely ha ha other autoimmune problems so I take hydroxychloroquine and Metformin.
Pray find the answers you’re looking for and share them with all of us!

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Welcome to Connect @wendyhope. If the product claims to cure all symptoms of neuropathy, that's a big red flag for a waste of you money. I only have numbness with my neuropathy and over the years have spent a lot of money on different products to no avail like a lot of us with neuropathy. There really is no cure but there are quite a few treatments including complementary and alternative therapies that can provide some form of relief. The Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy has a pretty comprehensive list here - https://www.foundationforpn.org/therapies/.

I also have hand and grip issues at my young age of 82 🙃. What helps me is doing hand and finger exercises to maintain hand strength. Also a few of those kitchen tools that help to remove jar lids and bottle caps. The scalp pain and deep leg pain on the calf area sound like it might need more immediate attention. Have you discussed the symptoms with your doctor?

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@janeenelizabeth

Hello,
I was diagnosed with idiopathic sfn 2 years ago. I will be 50 in July. I also do not have pain, except an occasional cramp or quick sharp pain. I will also get muscle twitches. But the numbness has progressed. We have tried everything to find a cause so it can be stopped, but nothing is showing up. It has caused low blood pressure, low glucose and low body temperature. Its not constant but seems to flare up. I would be lying if I said I wasn't scared especially when they said there is nothing that can be done. I didn't expect the progression this year. I have had numbness in my feet calves, hands, arms, and face. It also come goes, except this year my right small toes are more constantly numb. And recently it feels like im stepping on something while walking. I really appreciate hearing this information. Im hoping to find out more. To have ideas of things that might help.

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I have neuropathy numbness with no pain& had problems with high blood pressure. Working out exercising and getting my heart rate up has cured my high blood pressure from the 150s. This AM 118 over 60.

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