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growyourflow
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Neuropathy and Blood Flow

Posted by @growyourflow, Wed, Jun 7 8:19am

Can increasing blood flow help me manage pain in my extremities diagnosed as peripheral neuropathy?
Gf

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Teresa, Volunteer Mentor
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Posted by @hopeful33250, Wed, Jun 7 12:06pm

@growyourflow Thanks for posting this interesting question. I did a little research and came up with one website regarding Blood flow in the diabetic neuropathic foot: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7060850 I’m going to invite one of our volunteer mentors, @johnbishop into this discussion as well as he has experience with neuropathy. Teresa


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Posted by @johnbishop, Wed, Jun 7 1:13pm

Hello @growyourflow, welcome to Connect. You did pose an interesting question. I have had small fiber peripheral neuropathy for over 15 to 20 years. I do take a lot of supplements and one that I take sodium stablized Alpha Lipoic Acid mentions helps with blood flow. I don’t have a medical background or any training but have done a lot of my own digging and searching for answers. I only have numbness with my neuropathy – no pain. The one thing I’ve found is that all of the drugs for neuropathy only address the pain…and they do that by masking it and not really fixing anything.

I did do a search on http://scholar.google.com which does give you the ability to refine the search so you can look for the latest information on your topic, etc.. I used the search phrase – increase blood flow for neuropathy and it found quite a bit of info:

http://bit.ly/2r6rmWR

John


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Posted by @materk, Tue, Sep 19 7:17am

I ,too, have Peripheral Neuropathy with increasing numbness but no pain for 6 or 7 years. I feel that the best thing I can do is keep up my muscle strength and circulation in order to deal with the problem. So, I too take a lot of Shaklee Supplements and go once a week for a massage on my feet and legs. I’m 95 and in good health other than the Neuropathy.


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Posted by @homdee3041, Wed, Sep 20 7:00pm

Good for you. That is wonderful. I will check into Shaklee Products and foot message, Thank you


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Posted by @materk, Thu, Sep 21 7:56am

I have worked with Shaklee products for 42 years and would be happy to gove you information . A little about my background. I was in the first Degree Nursing Program starting in 1939 at the College of St. Teresa in Winona and St. MAry’s Hospital and the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. Graduated in 1944 and on intomthe U S Navy Nurse Corp in WWII.


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Posted by @homdee3041, Thu, Sep 21 9:55am

I would love to know more about the Shakee products. And you really feel they have helped you/

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Posted by @materk, Thu, Sep 21 10:14am

You a contact me at Materk94@yahoo.com


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Posted by @growyourflow, Mon, Jun 19 12:17pm

Thanks John and Hopeful,

I have been offered a trial at a clinic that uses noninvasive transdermal CO2 therapy-specifically targeting pain and numbness…I will keep you up-to-date on my progress….I am looking at management tools that I can use at home or at least independently, to mitigate the symptoms I have from Diabetic Neuropathy and Arthritis.

Be Well,
GF


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Posted by @rhepler74, Mon, Jun 19 2:36pm

May I ask whether a Tens Unit is part of your therapy for pain, as well as for numbness?


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Posted by @colleenyoung, Tue, Jun 20 10:43am

Hi Rosie,
I’m tagging @johnbishop on this question. John, you use a TENS unit, do you not?


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Posted by @johnbishop, Tue, Jun 20 11:02am

Hi Rosie (@rhepler), I have used a Zopec DT-1200 tens unit for my feet which I have numbness but no pain. I found out about it from the Minnesota Neuropathy Association when I read about things that have helped others on their website –

http://www.neuropathy-mn.org/

It is a programmable device but has several built-in programs for neuropathy. I used it for 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the evening for about 2 months with mixed results. There were times when I thought it made my feet feel a little better but it was really hard to tell since I don’t have the pain with my small fiber peripheral neuropathy. Some others in the group report that it has helped them but I stopped using it since I didn’t really see the results I was expecting. If you are looking at a tens unit and the price is not too much it might be worth trying. Here’s a YouTube video of the device treatment:

http://bit.ly/2toWIKx

Hope this helps…

John


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Posted by @darlia, Tue, Aug 15 11:13pm

Sounds like an option I may want to try. Also, John, or anyone else, does having Neuropathy in your legs and feet mean that when you do have complete numbness that there isn’t any blood flow? My understanding is that it’s the nerve responses but NOT the blood flow. Because then I’m wanting to know (my fear of course) is does that mean that your feet or legs have to be amputated? I don’t have diabetes (I am prediabetic)but plan to change that with diet and exersize.
Darlia


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Posted by @johnbishop, Wed, Aug 16 7:02am

Hi Darlia – for a long time I had thought I had poor blood flow and thought it was a cause of the numbness but about 2 or 3 years ago I went to a local check your heart and arteries type clinic where they check to see if your arteries are “plugged” or has signs of blockage. They take your blood pressure on your arms and legs and also used some sort of sonogram(?) device to check how the blood is flowing. They didn’t find anything and it cost me $200 but I guess the knowing helped. I’m pretty sure the numbness from neuropathy is small fiber nerve damage in my case. I’m guessing poor circulation in the legs doesn’t help with neuropathy but I don’t think it’s a cause – but that’s just an opinion and not a medical fact.

My last doctor told me I was prediabetic also but I’m not sure. Yes, I’ve got the indicators and I have diabetes in my family – both sisters and mother had it. The doctor also tried to get me to take statins to lower my cholesterol but I told her that statins make neuropathy worse and I will work on my diet a little harder and exercise more. I do think diet and exercise is the key so that’s a great plan to use to get healthier.

Here is an easy to understand explanation of small fiber peripheral neuropathy by Matthew B. Jensen. Assistant Professor of Neurology, University of Wisconsin: https://youtu.be/S1qt-ueIP6

John


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Posted by @johnbishop, Wed, Aug 16 7:53am

Darlia (@darlia) – my younger sister had diabetes and her doctors thought at one time she may have to have her feet amputated due to poor circulation or the diabetes – I’m not sure. It was always a concern of hers and mine. She passed away of lung cancer a few years ago.

I share your same concern about the feet. One thing I think is really important for people with neuropathy and diabetes is to check their feet every day and protect them. I started wearing socks all the time so that if I do hurt my feet I can see any injuries on the bottoms of the socks – yup! I have to change them stinkers every day. I started wearing socks at night after waking up in the middle of the night for a bathroom trip and seeing blood all over the floor and wondering where is it coming from. Turned out is was from the ankle and caused by a sharp toenail and rubbing my feet together in bed nicked a blood vessel just under the skin. That turned into a 911 call, a trip to the emergency room when I could stop the bleeding. Looking back at it, it was pretty funny but when it happened not so funny.

John


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Posted by @hopeful33250, Wed, Aug 16 10:14am

@johnbishop

This is a good example of caring for your feet. Have you ever posted this in the Diabetes discussion group? If not, it might be a good idea.

Teresa

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