Negative Turn in a Long Journey

Posted by wpprescott @wpprescott, Jul 7 3:36pm

I was diagnosed with PC in March 2023 just after my 60th birthday, and have frequently checked this forum, read most of the posts and responses here, and have taken great comfort and learned a lot from everyone's input. I am at an important crossroads in my treatment, however, and would appreciate any thoughts, advice and input you all may have. I am being treated at Smilow Cancer Hospital at Yale.

I had a small (1.9 cm) tumor in the head of my pancreas that restricted my bile duct and was also wrapped around the portal vein. I had 8 rounds of Folfirinox, the tumor shrunk away from the vein, and I was on the table for Whipple surgery on 9/25/23.

At the start of surgery, 5 small malignant lesions were found on my liver (even though nothing was ever seen on scans) and surgery was aborted. I started FFOX again and sought second opinions at UCLA, Mayo Clinic, and Frodetert/MCW which provided a lot of motivation for me to push on towards making surgery possible again. After 14 more rounds of FFOX (22 total) I was back on the table one day short of a year later on 9/24/24 for Whipple. This time it was a success. Eight hours of Whipple followed by 4 hours of portal vein reconstruction. I recovered very quickly (only 4 days in the hospital) and within 2 months was back to “normal” with only a few minor digestive issues to deal with.

My post-surgery pathology was as follows: Tumor: 1.5 cm, Grade G2, invades retroperitoneal soft tissue and portal vein. Perineural invasion present. Involves vascular bed/groove (corresponding to superior mesenteric vein/portal vein). All margins uninvolved by invasive carcinoma and high-grade intraepithelial neoplasia. 24 lymph nodes examined; 1 involved. Staging: ypT1c N1, at least Stage IIB. Tumor testing showed I have the KRAS G12D mutation.

My “secret weapon” throughout all this has been my physical health. I was a competitive cyclist and runner for over 40 years and I had very mild side effects during the 22 rounds of chemo; always ECOG=0. Throughout the last 2+ years I have continued to ride my bike, walk, jog, swim and do the occasional weight workout or yoga, on average about 10-15 hrs./week.

As you can probably guess, things have taken a negative turn recently. My first two sets of post-surgery check-up scans were NED but a May CT scan showed (and a PET scan confirmed) suspicious areas–soft tissue attenuation around the celiac/hepatic arteries, thickening of the left adrenal gland, an enlarged lymph node adjacent to the superior mesenteric vein, and a small lump in the wall of my abdomen. The lump appeared 2-3 months after surgery and is right at the incision where one of my abdominal drains exited. I had it checked out back in January and it was deemed scar tissue. I am having it biopsied tomorrow so at least I’ll know if that's the case.

So finally to ask my question(s). Where do I go from here? My options at Yale are a drug trial or back to chemo: either FFOX or Gem-Nab. I know what living for Folfirinox is like but also know the side effects of Gem-Nab might be even more tolerable. My oncologist said normally she would recommend Gem-Nab but since I haven’t had treatment for over a year (last round of FFOX was May 2024) that it’s “up to me”.

There is a KRAS G12D drug trial at Yale (ASP 3082) that I hoped to get into but there’s no space right now. I am still waiting to hear if Yale has other KRAS trials available. I have a list of other trial options at MSK and Dana-Farber since both locations are relatively close by. I would be willing to travel even farther afield for a trial if I could manage it.

Thanks for taking the time to read my story and for any thoughts, personal experiences or other things you have to share.

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I'll rest all night after my early bday dinner. What's your typical order at BA?

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By the way, I missed this message. Is today your birthday?

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@mnewland99
SBRT apparently cleared my lung nodule then on to Naliri in March. I am due and anxious for a scan. I committed last week to SBRT on my latest liver lesion but again in waiting game for pre-cert and scheduling.
I postponed chemo by a week twice this summer and my CA19-9 is again rising. My Onc suggested I may becoming resistant more quickly now. Concerning because…what’s left? So I am now also searching trials that will not exclude me for Having done KRAS trial. I do believe that the RM 6236 with chemo is an answer, but can’t get into that one!
Onward to live another day…with God’s help of course!

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@mnewland99 Keep us posted. All the best! You are in my prayers. Histotripsy seems to work.

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@mnewland99 Keep us posted. All the best! You are in my prayers. Histotripsy seems to work.

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Will do! Thank you, and you and your husband are in my prayers, also.

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By the way, I missed this message. Is today your birthday?

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No, later this week, but my husband thought it prudent to celebrate before the procedure. I don't think the recovery will be bad, but he wanted to play it safe.

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No, later this week, but my husband thought it prudent to celebrate before the procedure. I don't think the recovery will be bad, but he wanted to play it safe.

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Sounds like a good idea. Good luck today.

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So today is your histotripsy. The Lord tells us to pray specifically so I will be praying specifically for you and that this will decimate everything being targeted.
I am scheduled to speak with a person that recently did histotripsy on her liver.

Please post as soon as you are able. 🙏🏻

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Still waiting to hear about final approval for my trial, and hope to get started soon. I did have blood work done this week, and want to share a couple interesting values. I have never had very high CA 19-9 or CEA levels going all the way back to when I was first diagnosed with PDAC in March 2023.

CEA was highest at 9.9 in April 2023 and low was 2.0 last July. It mostly sat between 4 and 6 during my year plus of chemo.

CA 19-9 was highest at 21 in Jan 2024 and sat mostly in the 9-15 range. So never even close to "out of range".

My blood tests this weeks showed CA 19-9 is still low at 6. My CEA has crept up and was one of the early signs along with CT scans that my cancer was returning. 4.8 in Fed, 7.7 a month ago, and 10.7 this week. I know that's all still relatively low for many cases.

I guess the conclusion is this is evidence that the cancer itself has changed since it has now spread in my abdomen, and there is nothing seen on scans in my pancreas? Should it even be called PC any more even though that is the origin? I guess it's all semantics but I am trying to get a handle on how/if this cancer going forward is different than when I had a known tumor on my pancreas (that has been removed).

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Has anybody here considered, or been treated with, Anktiva via the FDA’s Expanded Access program at Dr Soon-Shiong’s clinic in El Segundo, CA?

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Still waiting to hear about final approval for my trial, and hope to get started soon. I did have blood work done this week, and want to share a couple interesting values. I have never had very high CA 19-9 or CEA levels going all the way back to when I was first diagnosed with PDAC in March 2023.

CEA was highest at 9.9 in April 2023 and low was 2.0 last July. It mostly sat between 4 and 6 during my year plus of chemo.

CA 19-9 was highest at 21 in Jan 2024 and sat mostly in the 9-15 range. So never even close to "out of range".

My blood tests this weeks showed CA 19-9 is still low at 6. My CEA has crept up and was one of the early signs along with CT scans that my cancer was returning. 4.8 in Fed, 7.7 a month ago, and 10.7 this week. I know that's all still relatively low for many cases.

I guess the conclusion is this is evidence that the cancer itself has changed since it has now spread in my abdomen, and there is nothing seen on scans in my pancreas? Should it even be called PC any more even though that is the origin? I guess it's all semantics but I am trying to get a handle on how/if this cancer going forward is different than when I had a known tumor on my pancreas (that has been removed).

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Since your CA 19-9 is not necessarily predictive, I might suggest asking your doctors to do the Signatera blood test by Natera. New so that when my scans are clear. It lets us know something is brewing.

My pancreas tumor has been gone since 2022 but we still relate emerging tumors to metastases since the little cowboys can hide for quite awhile before they decide to post up somewhere.
Among other things I am now looking for a blood test for mutations. A recent tissue biopsy was unsuccessful but I am interested to know if I have now experienced further mutations after all this. My known or KRAS G12D and TP53 but my doctor says it is likely there could be a new mutation.

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Since your CA 19-9 is not necessarily predictive, I might suggest asking your doctors to do the Signatera blood test by Natera. New so that when my scans are clear. It lets us know something is brewing.

My pancreas tumor has been gone since 2022 but we still relate emerging tumors to metastases since the little cowboys can hide for quite awhile before they decide to post up somewhere.
Among other things I am now looking for a blood test for mutations. A recent tissue biopsy was unsuccessful but I am interested to know if I have now experienced further mutations after all this. My known or KRAS G12D and TP53 but my doctor says it is likely there could be a new mutation.

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Thanks for the advice @gamaryanne. I will keep the Signatera test on my radar; I have had Foundation and Tempus liquid biopsies done in the past. I'm waiting to see what type of testing they will do once I start the trial then go from there.

Just heard that the trial approval by Yale should be done tomorrow and I will sign the paperwork needed on Friday to officially get started. I still have to get a baseline CT scan scheduled but hopefully by the week of the 11th at the latest, I'll get started on the actual trial drug. Next thing I wish I knew now is which arm of the trial I will be in: one arm is just the drug (QTX-3034) but the other arm combines it with Cetuximab, which I know little or nothing about.

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