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Laser treatment for spinal stenosis?

Posted by @leslie324, Sep 3, 2017

Does anyone have any information on laser treatment for spinal stenosis?

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Hi @leslie324,

I wasn’t able to find much on laser treatment for spinal stenosis. However, here is an article by Paul Huddleston, III, M.D., Orthopedic Surgery, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN about nonsurgical treatment for spinal stenosis- https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-q-and-a-nonsurgical-treatments-may-decrease-pain-from-spinal-stenosis/.
Also, I have included at podcast from the Mayo Clinic news network on research and treatment for spinal stenosis that may be of interest to you.https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/spinal-stenosiszebrafishrecurring-fever-mayo-clinic-radio/

@sandytoes14, @predictable – do any of you have any insight about laser treatment for spinal stenosis?

@jamienolson

Hi @leslie324,

I wasn’t able to find much on laser treatment for spinal stenosis. However, here is an article by Paul Huddleston, III, M.D., Orthopedic Surgery, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN about nonsurgical treatment for spinal stenosis- https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-q-and-a-nonsurgical-treatments-may-decrease-pain-from-spinal-stenosis/.
Also, I have included at podcast from the Mayo Clinic news network on research and treatment for spinal stenosis that may be of interest to you.https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/spinal-stenosiszebrafishrecurring-fever-mayo-clinic-radio/

@sandytoes14, @predictable – do any of you have any insight about laser treatment for spinal stenosis?

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Thank you. I found both very helpful. I also read thru the stem cell information and plan to phone the Mayo clinic helpline on regenerative medicine.

My pain Doctor has sent me to an orthopaedic surgeon for spinal stenosis tomorrow. As I am a caregiver, being laid up for a time would create problems. I wondered if anyone out there has ever tried laser therapy for spinal stenosis. I am an active 75 year old. Leslie324

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My pain Doctor has sent me to an orthopaedic surgeon for spinal stenosis tomorrow. As I am a caregiver, being laid up for a time would create problems. I wondered if anyone out there has ever tried laser therapy for spinal stenosis. I am an active 75 year old. Leslie324

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@leslie324, I see that you are still curious about laser treatment for your spinal stenosis. While we wait for other members to chime in, is this something you have asked your surgeon about or plan to ask your surgeon about tomorrow? I can certainly understand not wanting to be laid up for a long time, especially since you are also a caregiver for your husband. Could you update the group on what your surgeon says about laser therapy tomorrow or how long surgery would lay you up?

@leslie324

My pain Doctor has sent me to an orthopaedic surgeon for spinal stenosis tomorrow. As I am a caregiver, being laid up for a time would create problems. I wondered if anyone out there has ever tried laser therapy for spinal stenosis. I am an active 75 year old. Leslie324

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Justin,
Thank you for your reply. The orthopaedic surgeon I saw today actually did not recommend surgery in my case, saying it might help the pain down my leg but could likely make my back pain worse. As for laser treatment, he expressed concerns based on what he has seen from his patients’ experiences when they come back to him. One had incorrect surgery which he had to fix. I did ask if my problems could get worse and was told only 15% of patients do so the odds are on my side. He asked me to return to the Pain Clinic to continue my meds and whatever else that Doctor recommends. I’m very relieved and will continue doing my physical therapy exercises, taking senior yoga, losing weight for less pressure on my back and walking as much as I can. My husband came with me and was also satisfied with the outcome. Leslie324

Hi @leslie324
Which type of laser surgery is being talked about here — the cutting kind of laser or the therapeutic kind? I’ve received Class IV laser therapy which is a non-invasive deep “light” treatment. It’s been used in veterinary medicine for years and now is being used in the offices of chiropractors, podiatrists and some orthopedic surgeons. Its proponents say it is proven to reduce inflammation and pain. I’ve had laser treatments for pain between the point of hip and knee (for which I had been dry needled, electrically stimulated, etc., without success) that finally got rid of it after six treatments. I’ve also had it used on my lower back, and on a swollen ankle. Here’s one “study” to look at, though I can not vouch for it – don’t know how scientific if is:
http://www.madisonlasertherapy.com/uploads/6/4/3/2/6432749/class_iv_therapy_laser_case_studies_report_2013.pdf
Of just do some online searches for Class IV laser therapy and decide for yourself.

@mamie

Hi @leslie324
Which type of laser surgery is being talked about here — the cutting kind of laser or the therapeutic kind? I’ve received Class IV laser therapy which is a non-invasive deep “light” treatment. It’s been used in veterinary medicine for years and now is being used in the offices of chiropractors, podiatrists and some orthopedic surgeons. Its proponents say it is proven to reduce inflammation and pain. I’ve had laser treatments for pain between the point of hip and knee (for which I had been dry needled, electrically stimulated, etc., without success) that finally got rid of it after six treatments. I’ve also had it used on my lower back, and on a swollen ankle. Here’s one “study” to look at, though I can not vouch for it – don’t know how scientific if is:
http://www.madisonlasertherapy.com/uploads/6/4/3/2/6432749/class_iv_therapy_laser_case_studies_report_2013.pdf
Of just do some online searches for Class IV laser therapy and decide for yourself.

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Thank you so much, Mamie. We were discussing both types of treatment. The case the surgeon discussed at length was actual laser surgery. He did point out that patients successfully treated non-surgically don’t come back to him. He did urge me to be careful since some practioners seem to over- charge patients. I have been researching and found the article you sent to be helpful. I plan to check into it further. Leslie

I spoke to my vet this morning about her experience with animals and cold laser therapy. She said it is very successful. I will try it with the local chiropractor who has helped some of my friends and let you all know if it helps me. Leslie324

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I spoke to my vet this morning about her experience with animals and cold laser therapy. She said it is very successful. I will try it with the local chiropractor who has helped some of my friends and let you all know if it helps me. Leslie324

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Great. I’d be interested in learning if it helps.

Interesting. Be curious to know more.

@leslie324

My pain Doctor has sent me to an orthopaedic surgeon for spinal stenosis tomorrow. As I am a caregiver, being laid up for a time would create problems. I wondered if anyone out there has ever tried laser therapy for spinal stenosis. I am an active 75 year old. Leslie324

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@leslie324. I just wrote about my experience with ART, Active Release Technique therapy. I have spinal stenosis and herniated disks at L4-L5, and degenerative disk disease. Last December, 2016, I had a laminectomy on my L5-S1. It was completely successful and my pain was relieved. However, I still had constant pain in my right hip buttock, thigh, knee, calf and foot. I had trouble walking and couldn’t go up or down steps without great pain and difficulty.

My surgeon encouraged me to explore all other ways to decrease pain as surgery would be major. He had me start with Physical Therapy, which I went to for 3 months with no relief. Then, someone on Mayo Connect said they tried ART Therapy and said it worked for them. I researched it on Google, and found a chiropractor who had multiple ART training certifications. I then I researched him, and asked a trusted masseuse who he would recommend for ART. He gave me the name of the same doctor I had picked myself.

I saw Dr. Andrews for 6 sessions, 2 a week for 3 weeks. Then I have seen him once a month for 3 months. I felt better immediately after my first session and each session left me doing better. Now after 4 months, I am essentially pain free. During this time I have also withdrawn from 3 different pain medications. With each one I stopped taking I felt better. (By the way refuse to take Gabapentin or Lyrica–bad meds for pain.) I am now almost finished withdrawing from Tramadol 50 mg. Next week I m finished.

I have no pain walking and no pain going up or down stairs! It’s totally amazing to me how well the ART Therapy has worked. It works by doing very deep muscle/ligament massage at the same time they are moving various parts of your body. The purpose is to release nerves and muscles that gotten bound together. It worked for me and I can’t say enough good things about it. I hope this is helpful for you.
Thanks,
Gail B

@leslie324

My pain Doctor has sent me to an orthopaedic surgeon for spinal stenosis tomorrow. As I am a caregiver, being laid up for a time would create problems. I wondered if anyone out there has ever tried laser therapy for spinal stenosis. I am an active 75 year old. Leslie324

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I forgot to say that part of the ART Therapy used Laser treatment to heat the muscles/ligaments in the area being worked on, allowing the muscles to become more relaxed so they can “let go” more easily. I think it helped, but I didn’t try ART without laser treatment. My sessions were $95.00 each. Pricey but worth it. I live in the LA area.

@leslie324

My pain Doctor has sent me to an orthopaedic surgeon for spinal stenosis tomorrow. As I am a caregiver, being laid up for a time would create problems. I wondered if anyone out there has ever tried laser therapy for spinal stenosis. I am an active 75 year old. Leslie324

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Thank you Gail. Your pain sounds exactly like mine. I will meet with the chiropractor on Thursday. Hope he can help.

Since several of you have asked about my laser therapy, today was my second visit. I will admit that I had some days of major pain after visit #1. The only reason I went back was because I am out of options for any other solution. Today, however, I had both class 4 laser treatment and spinal decompression. And, for the first time in a very long time, I was able to stand on my feet and actually cook dinner. I also attended a 2 hour meeting on a very uncomfortable chair. I am cautiously optimistic but aware of how much inflammation I must deal with. Will keep you posted. I really appreciate this group’s support. Leslie324

Hi, @leslie324. I’m so glad you have seen some improvement. However, I am surprised that the laser therapy caused any pain. It’s not supposed to, according to the literature I’ve read and the experiences I have had. In fact, it is supposed to reduce pain. Did you ask the doctor why you had pain from it? I also am curious to know which laser therapy “machine” your doctor uses. Mine uses what is described as a “multi
-wave locked system” and I have had it rotating on one of my problem areas for probably 12-15 minutes at a time. It took five sessions for pain I had had for years to disappear. Best wishes and keep us updated.

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