Should I consider ablation?

Posted by jimana @jimana, May 10, 2016

jimana
79-year old male Caucasian
Excellent health and regular exercise with history of hypothyroidism. No history of cardiovascular problems. Vegetarian for 16 years, with excellent diet high in fruits and vegetables. No history of hypertension or cardiovascular issues until Feb 21, 16. Life-long boundless energy, almost never tired even after intense physical activity. Post-prandial glucose levels usually at mid- to upper 90s. Former runner with asymptomatic Bradycardia for 45 years. Resting heart rate has been from upper 20s to lower 40s, but immediately responsive on demand.

Feb 21, 16 – Sudden onset of A-fib after a meal. Ambulance to ER, Cardizem brought it under control.
Mar 3, 16 – Echo-cardiogram and treadmill, went into A-fib at end of treadmill but controlled with Valsalva.
– Echo normal (64% EF) and treadmill normal. Heart structurally and functionally normal.
Mar 25, 16 – A-fib. Controlled with Valsalva. Blood, EKG, X-rays normal.
April 25, 16 – A-fib for 10 minutes but controlled with Valsalva.
April 27, 16 – A-fib immediately following a meal while driving. Paramedics called. Pulse in 220 range. Administered Adenosine twice to stop heart. Paddles used three times before sinus rhythm and transport to ER. Blood, EDK and X-rays normal.
April 28, 16 – Next day cardiologist recommended pacemaker and antiarrhythmic.
April 29, 16 – Pacemaker implant and began 50MG Flecainide b.i.d.
May 3, 16 – ER with irregular pulse and BP 228/95. Clonidine and Ativan administered in ER.
May 4, 16 – Flecainide increased to 100MG b.i.d., and metoprolol 25MG b.i.d. begun.

NOW – Feel fine upon arising but within one hour after taking Flecainide and Metoprolol feel weak, dizzy, shortness of breath for two hours. Anxiety high during episodes. Otherwise can walk several miles on treadmill with no problem and BP goes down significantly with exercise. Can’t stand these chemicals and side effects. Looking for alternatives. Should I consider ablation?

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@johndl

I posted my story just a few hours before yours – see JohnDL. I’ll add to this additional information based on what I understand is your situation (please understand I’m not a doctor). I had one ablation before the one that worked. The one that worked for me required the ablation to be performed in the left chamber. Since the doctor enters the heart thru the right chamber he “poked” a hole between the two chambers (it is something this group developed as I understand it). Check around as one must find a doctor who can do what you need done.

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Thanks for your comments. I have heard from several people of that it has
taken more than one ablation to stop the AFib so I am talking to my Dr
about the whole situation I also have COPD and diabetes and late discovery
of iron deficiency so things have gotten complicated with Dr and getting
them all together to decide on a course of action. You are right I have to
be aware of the things going on and that involves asking questions and
hopefully getting answers. Thanks again for your comments I’ll let you know
how things go.

Sorry to learn of your episodes since the ablation. Again my second ablation was centered in the left chamber where It seems there were cells causing the heart to pump at the wrong time. The right chamber is where the equipment to kill cells must enter the heart.. Only by going thru the heart wall between the two chambers and entering the left chamber was the doctor able to get to the cells causing the problem. Last point, not all doctors get into the left chamber (my first doctor did not). But of course, I have no idea where or why your problem continues.

Thanks for your reply and your honesty about your experience with A-fib. I have no idea whether my doctor has considered going in on the left or the right of my heart but it is something I will bring up and ask about and the only way we learn about what’s going on is to ask questions. My other conditions have done nothing but complicate the matter. Getting all the doctors together to agree on a plan of action seems to take quite a bit of time. The only problem with that is that it makes me very nervous as time goes by and I don’t know what anybody is going to do about anything it’s a little scary. But I do thank you for your information I will bring it up to my cardiologists and see what he says in fact that I see him tomorrow so thank you again have a good night..

@johndl

Sorry to learn of your episodes since the ablation. Again my second ablation was centered in the left chamber where It seems there were cells causing the heart to pump at the wrong time. The right chamber is where the equipment to kill cells must enter the heart.. Only by going thru the heart wall between the two chambers and entering the left chamber was the doctor able to get to the cells causing the problem. Last point, not all doctors get into the left chamber (my first doctor did not). But of course, I have no idea where or why your problem continues.

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Hello , I too, had an ablation on the left side of my heart. The accessory pathway is nothing more than a small muscle fiber about 1-2 mm in size that crosses from the upper chambers (atria) to the lower heart chambers (ventricles) About 65% of these connections are located between the left atrium and left ventricle. The other 35% or so are located on the right side of the heart between the right atrium and right ventricle. It is my understanding that all EP doctors can ablate on either side of the heart. Since 65% of these problems occur on the left side it makes sense that they would be able to. I had two ablations where the doctor did not perform a transseptal approach. . One was because they were not able to locate the site of the accessory pathway and the 2nd time because I had experienced a sustained episode of SVT and AF prior to the ablation and they didn’t want to dislodge a clot if there was one. My point is that a transseptal approach does not require a “specialist” electrophysiologist. They should all be able to do that. Hope that was clear! Martishka

It was interesting to read the comments from @martishka and I did not wish to indicate that a “specialist” electrophysiologist was required. Only that the doctor who did my first ablation was unable to correct my AF by working on the right side. So he shocked me back to regular pulse and told me to take meds for the rest of my life. That is when I went looking for another doctor.

@nadine66

Thanks for your reply and your honesty about your experience with A-fib. I have no idea whether my doctor has considered going in on the left or the right of my heart but it is something I will bring up and ask about and the only way we learn about what’s going on is to ask questions. My other conditions have done nothing but complicate the matter. Getting all the doctors together to agree on a plan of action seems to take quite a bit of time. The only problem with that is that it makes me very nervous as time goes by and I don’t know what anybody is going to do about anything it’s a little scary. But I do thank you for your information I will bring it up to my cardiologists and see what he says in fact that I see him tomorrow so thank you again have a good night..

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I cured the AFib with the Bemer Vasculer Therapy tx in one month of
use…only way to go, no meds, your own body heals itself if you get the
Circulation going…this only works on the circulation, nothing else….

Only yesterday heard about the Bemer. I looked at the website and they do not give any real information on the science behind the device. Could you share a link to information? What is the cost? Smacks of a multi-level marketing enterprise. I would like more information.

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Go to BEMERAMERICA.COM and scroll down and it tells how it works…it does not cure anything only gets your blood circulating and your own body heals itself as it is suppose to do if given the right nutrients (Oxygen)
Our bodies were meant to regenerate…I was sold on it after my friend suggested I use it on my Gout in my big toe. 2 sessions with the Spot 3 yrs ago and have not had a sign of it since. I have brought myTriglycerides down from 217 to 178 and have never taken any medication for it. After one month on the heart monitor to see how bad my afib was and doing Bemer 2 x day, showed NO signs of Afib…not on any heart meds…Even I was so skeptical since I have worked years in the Medical Profession…but after seeing what years of meds has done to my husband, I will go any route rather than support the Pharmeutical companies….

Sounds impressive and I certainly agree with you regarding BIG Pharma. Thanks for the info.

@george2016

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Go to BEMERAMERICA.COM and scroll down and it tells how it works…it does not cure anything only gets your blood circulating and your own body heals itself as it is suppose to do if given the right nutrients (Oxygen)
Our bodies were meant to regenerate…I was sold on it after my friend suggested I use it on my Gout in my big toe. 2 sessions with the Spot 3 yrs ago and have not had a sign of it since. I have brought myTriglycerides down from 217 to 178 and have never taken any medication for it. After one month on the heart monitor to see how bad my afib was and doing Bemer 2 x day, showed NO signs of Afib…not on any heart meds…Even I was so skeptical since I have worked years in the Medical Profession…but after seeing what years of meds has done to my husband, I will go any route rather than support the Pharmeutical companies….

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@george2016, I too found no significant information at describing the science behind the Bemer devices. Presumably, the devices issue some sort of energy — sound, light, pressure, electrical, magnetic, radiological, or something — but there were not hints from Bemer on this.

@jimana

Only yesterday heard about the Bemer. I looked at the website and they do not give any real information on the science behind the device. Could you share a link to information? What is the cost? Smacks of a multi-level marketing enterprise. I would like more information.

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Commenting about this Bemer resolution to this problem I don’t mean to sound like a dummy but from what I understand one of the problems after afib it is that if they’re afraid of blood clots which are formed in the circulation of the blood if that’s the case then how is circulation going to cure it as a problem blood clots would still form and I just I wouldn’t feel comfortable just relying on circulation I don’t understand that at all. I think I’m going to talk to more of my doctors and get a consensus. I know what they think about it though evidently they most assuredly have more education on the subject than I do but I do thank you for your comments and I will think about it I mean that’s the whole idea is to think about these things thanks again.

@jimana

Only yesterday heard about the Bemer. I looked at the website and they do not give any real information on the science behind the device. Could you share a link to information? What is the cost? Smacks of a multi-level marketing enterprise. I would like more information.

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Hoping to answer your concerns:

Not multi-level marketing – if/when the company asks you to be in management
it is much like working for an insurance company – then you get overrides –

BEMER USA is Direct distributing – commission sales – most people are
independent distributors.

Some (like me) have taken extra training/testing from the medical doctors
acquainted with the mechanics of the BEMER Signal – thus becoming Medical
Representatives.

FDA registered as a Class I Medical Device – in the process of becoming
Class II – thus the vague/general information on the website. Our hands are
tied to give specifics.

Tons of science – double blind studies – invented in 1998 in Germany – now
in its 3rd generation. The PROOF is in the PUDDING – profound results.

My body stopped absorbing minerals – resulting in massive all-body cramping
to the point of passing out. This was two years ago – I was completely bed
ridden due to constant pain – cramping – fatigue. $1000’s in medical tests,
etc. – left me with a prescription for muscle relaxants and told to come
back in 6 weeks. That day I was dragging my right side behind me.

Today – with the help of excellent supplements/minerals and BEMER – I am
living, thriving and healthy!

@george2016

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Go to BEMERAMERICA.COM and scroll down and it tells how it works…it does not cure anything only gets your blood circulating and your own body heals itself as it is suppose to do if given the right nutrients (Oxygen)
Our bodies were meant to regenerate…I was sold on it after my friend suggested I use it on my Gout in my big toe. 2 sessions with the Spot 3 yrs ago and have not had a sign of it since. I have brought myTriglycerides down from 217 to 178 and have never taken any medication for it. After one month on the heart monitor to see how bad my afib was and doing Bemer 2 x day, showed NO signs of Afib…not on any heart meds…Even I was so skeptical since I have worked years in the Medical Profession…but after seeing what years of meds has done to my husband, I will go any route rather than support the Pharmeutical companies….

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Morna has had two chances to give us a clear statement — but has failed or refused to provide it — on what kind of energy is generated by the Bemer device(s). That it “mimics the earth’s electromagnetic field” is not to say that its signal is electromagnetic. Besides, does the earth really have an electromagnetic field? Who says so? And this idea that the signal is “woven into” the fabric of our astronauts underwear is ludicrous. Since neither Bemer (on its web site) or their “knowledgeable” reps will describe the energy they employ in their devices, I regard it as a scam — much like the magnetic devices sold by bored housewives 20 years ago.

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