Is it possible to nebulize too much hypertonic saline?
I'm getting a LOT of 7% saline in my lungs with my new Pari eRapid system, and more mucus is moving. But I wonder if it's overkill. Will saline lose efficacy when I'm actually ill with a respiratory infection, if I inhale this much twice a day when I'm relatively healthy? How much hypertonic saline is too much?
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Not exactly answering your question but I don't think you need to be concerned about rebound nor tolerance with hypertonic saline. You can always cut down and see how you do.
I agree with scoop. In the talks on hypertonic saline, I haven't heard the docs mentioned that.
One concern might be for people with hypertension or heart disease who might need to watch their blood pressure and monitor for signs of fluid retention like swollen ankles or shortness of breath, especially with lying flat. Just a thought.
It's generally okay to use hypertonic saline twice a day, especially when you're feeling well. The goal is to keep your airways hydrated and clear, which helps prevent infections. You can always adjust your routine based on how you feel.
It is very individual, so you just pay attention to your body.
If you ever feel too much chest tightness or coughing that is not productive, or a lot of irritation in your lungs, those could be signs that it's too much.
But even if that happens, you can talk to your doctor about maybe using your bronchodilator first, just to open up the airways a bit.
I'm not having any chest tightness or irritation. No sore throat or coughing, other than the initial coughs with my first couple inhalations from the eRapid.
I have no bronchiectasis specialist where I live, unfortunately. The pulmonary specialist I was assigned monitors granulomas and nodules, which I also have (and am not particularly worried about). She warned me not to do nasal lavage more than a couple times a day; "God gives us mucus for a reason," she said. She knows little about bronchiectasis, and hadn't even heard of an Aerobika before. While she approves of me nebbing 7% saline 2x daily, it's something I learned from forums, not from her.
I feel like I got so "clean" yesterday I might be encouraging my lungs to make more mucus. Like...dried myself out a bit. Am I thus stimulating my lungs to make even more mucus to make up for the loss? I have no idea, and I expect my specialist has even less of an idea because this really isn't her department.
For a while, though, I'm going to see how I feel just nebbing once a day with the eRapid instead of twice, unless I feel some congestion.
@bronchiectasaurus I think you ask good questions. There is still a lot unknown about inhaled saline and airway clearance. I think someone just posted on an ongoing study being done on the impacts of inhaled saline on NTM infections. We definitely need more data. There are many different opinions and everyone seems to be guessing. As a result, for now, there seems no real basis for any hard and fast rules. I encourage you to experiment and find what works best for you.
After listening to my saga of how long I take to clear my airways, my pulmonologist suggested I set a timer for a certain amount of time and not exceed it. I've haven't done that as I seem to get interrupted here and there, but I have concentrated on decreasing my active huff coughing time. I'd be happy if I could get the routine done in 30 minutes (including neb time). I have not figured out if this is realistic yet.
My usual signal to stop airway clearance is when the gunk starts to lighten and there is less of it. Every day is different, and sometimes I spend abut 45 minutes. I am hard pressed to think that over-doing the clearance will result in our lungs producing more mucus. It's the gunk we try to get out not the clear mucus.
Agree, we need more studies on the impact of inhaled saline NTMs. Does anyone know how many years the BE/NTM clinics have been pushing saline inhalation for BE and NTM? I've been told and have read that spontaneous culture conversion occurs in 10-15% of people with BE and NTM. The few studies I have seen on inhaled saline as a treatment showed a much higher rate of culture conversion. Also, how long is recommended to nebulize 2/day after culture conversion. Though I will always nebulize with BE for prevention, it would be interesting to see how many months or range of months to get one from culture conversion to cured (of the original infection). The Portland/NYU Langone study on inhaled saline treatment for those with NTMs, will hopefully start soon.
I've been using the Pari eRapid for over a year now and I've learned a few things about it that I wanted to share, of course we're all different but this is what I've found works for me:
-The eRapid provides a LOT of saline in a rapid amount of time, it definitely helps me release sputum however the issue was that I began having increased bleeding. Here's what I did to change my nebbing:
-I don't use the eRapid every day, usually only about 2 or 3 days a week and I never use it twice in a day. I choose to use it when I'm in a rush or for travel. Recently I had a flight layover, and I was glad to have it with me!
-A lot of saline is lost in the mist while nebulizing so I often use 2 vials, however, I use 3% for this large rapid dose because 7% consistently would cause bleeding for me.
Hope this helps! Take care, Nancy
I haven't had positive MAC cultures, but do daily albuterol neb and airway clearance for bronchiectasis and mild asthma.
I had repeated viral infections 2 winters ago (young grandchildren) and last fall my pulmonologist suggested I try 7% saline a few times/week to see if that would help prevent them. I did it and haven't had any since November. Coincidence or cause? I don't know, but docs are using hypertonic saline even with negative sputum.
Thank you! That’s helpful.
After my second day using the eRapid, I had a dream that my lungs were bleeding. Maybe not so far-fetched after all.
I might try 3% solution with it, just for “research”.