Is drug and alcohol addiction just a bad habit? Or is it a disease?

Posted by joeyjensen1959 @joeyjensen1959, 5 days ago

Sickness ,disease ,addiction recovery all can be life threatening, it takes time to heal (with addiction, it takes the rest of your life) and it takes work and we need to give and receive help to make it work.

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@jenatsky
The 'entry' point in this "cycle...." is:
1. Binge/Intoxication Stage: REWARD, incentive salience, and pathological habits.

So obviously the obvious question is: WHAT is it you are trying to ESCAPE from?
We all have times when circumstances can be rough (I had very hard times FINDING employment for reasons mostly External, outside My control. This too is part of life everywhere, all times. I'd end up doing minimum wage works after I'd tried looking for work each day in my field. It helped pay for basic needs. But little else except a 'treat' with MacDonald coffee. There was no way to treat with something like beer. Now that I am retired I do treat with beer that most often is one can a Week. Why I never drink More is because the worries that I have today need me to be in good health and shape to deal with...and these require I feed myself with Tasty and nourishing food, treat myself with Enjoyable exertion, resulting in good sleep.
In other words, the need for "REWARD" as in the first step of the cycle in niaaa site above has diminished from the rewards of enjoyable foods and physical activity (and mental workouts). I've thus reduced space for my worries with more simple joys. This I believe has worked for me all my life of over eight decades.

My insight: More simple sublime pleasures equal less need for rewards with alcohol or other addictive habits,

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@sisyphus thank you...you have a wealth of knowledge...
Joseph

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Alcoholism is a well known mental disease that takes over your control of drinking. I started many years ago because it felt good drinking and I later found out that I was general anxiety disorder GAD. I decided 30 years ago that I was not going to let drinking control my life and quit.

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Profile picture for heyjoe415 @heyjoe415

Hi Joey,

I've been sober for 14 plus years now. Calling alcoholism a "disease", something the AMA agrees with, walks a fine line.

I prefer to think of it as an incurable condition that can be put into remission. Alcoholism is certainly life threatening.

Joe

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Hey Joe,

I've been in AA since 2003 (although right now I have 14.5 years of continuous sobriety, so I'm familiar with the "relapse road" - the road with few exits.......).

Since the very beginning, I've had trouble labeling alcoholism a "disease". I've always called it a "condition" - albeit a serious one. "Incurable condition" is even better - and yes, we can put that into remission if we admit we have a problem we can't control, and ask for help. Sounds deceptively simple. Not quite. My one bit of advice for anyone new reading this - relapse is not necessary! Please avoid it. In my case, getting back in was a lot harder than going to my first meeting.

Now that I'm a bit of an "old timer", I truly enjoy helping new people. I sponsor three guys, and they have given me more than I''ll ever give them. This is just a much. much better life.

Thanks again Joe!

Joe

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Profile picture for BoneHead @stsopoci

Alcoholism is a well known mental disease that takes over your control of drinking. I started many years ago because it felt good drinking and I later found out that I was general anxiety disorder GAD. I decided 30 years ago that I was not going to let drinking control my life and quit.

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Good for you BH,

That's a very hard decision to make. It's hard to conceive of "powerlessness" over an inanimate object (alcohol).

I have been sober for 14.5 years now, continuously! I feel great, and at 71, I'm in the gym everyday. That's my new addiction - and if you're gonna have an addiction, better to have one that won't kill you.

Congrats on 30 years! Well done!

Joe

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Profile picture for diverdown1 @diverdown1

That is a good question. I am also in recovery for a good amount of time. I know that I have battled this from the age of 14, so about 41 years now. I believe it to be a dis-ease but I also know that my physiology reacts differently to mood altering substances...the "phenomenon of craving" is very real. Also, my tolerance to substances grew and grew. The amounts of alcohol that I consumed would probably land others in the hospital or possibly kill them. I lost my partner of 28 years to alcoholism. He literally drank himself to death, so I do believe it is a disease in the sense that he and many others are not able to stop themselves. I guess the question is is addiction a disease of the body or the mind? Depends on one's definition of disease.

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Thanks for the honesty DD.

I'm so very sorry you lost your partner to this terrible disease. It doesn't matter that much what we call alcoholism, we all know the symptoms, and the outcomes. It's a matter of picking a path.

I battled alcoholism since age 16. Well, that was the first time I recall getting lit up - drank a dixie cup full of brandy (I grew up in WI where brandy is like mother's milk.......). I still remember how wonderful I felt, warm and confident. But in all the years since, and all the drinking, I never found a high as good as the first one. Sad story.

And I have to be careful. I also got addicted to opiates that were prescribed for pain (it was a time when it was much easier to get a Dr to write an Rx, with refills). At least I never bought pills on the street, but got addicted nonetheless. But I stopped that too, with the help of AA.

Thanks again, and I wish you all the best!

Joe

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Profile picture for gusgundy @gusgundy

For me it is a disease. My first sponsor in AA was a retired physician and my first sponsee was a practicing physician. We spent much time discussing the disease concept. My sponsee had a hard time grasping it because he said "I'm not cured of cancer if I say 'Hi, my name is John and I have cancer'" so why should saying "Hi, I'm John and I'm an alcoholic" cure me of alcoholism the disease?

My wife is a breast cancer survivor and she has to do a lot to keep her cancer in remission. I have come to realize the things I do to stay sober are actually keeping my alcoholism in remission. Recovered, recovery, recovering, or remission.

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Well said Gus. I'm sorry about your wife, but it sounds like it's in remission and she does the things necessary to keep it that way.

And so it goes with alcoholism. All require vigilance and commitment.

Joe

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Profile picture for heyjoe415 @heyjoe415

Thanks for the honesty DD.

I'm so very sorry you lost your partner to this terrible disease. It doesn't matter that much what we call alcoholism, we all know the symptoms, and the outcomes. It's a matter of picking a path.

I battled alcoholism since age 16. Well, that was the first time I recall getting lit up - drank a dixie cup full of brandy (I grew up in WI where brandy is like mother's milk.......). I still remember how wonderful I felt, warm and confident. But in all the years since, and all the drinking, I never found a high as good as the first one. Sad story.

And I have to be careful. I also got addicted to opiates that were prescribed for pain (it was a time when it was much easier to get a Dr to write an Rx, with refills). At least I never bought pills on the street, but got addicted nonetheless. But I stopped that too, with the help of AA.

Thanks again, and I wish you all the best!

Joe

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@heyjoe415 Your story is so similar to mine. I recognize your name from this platform. Thank you for all your replies and being a part of this.

Ginny

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